Of course. So what you're seeing in the large sample is that Stralman improved Staal's Corsi % by 7.8%. Staal improved Stralman's Corsi % by 0.4%. Again, who was driving the bus there? Take them away from each other and Stralman stays roughly the same. Staal goes to a very, very bad place.

I'm not going to continue this debate. We're going in circles. You like your player. That's fine. I'm happy with the Stralman signing.
- Michael_Stuart

The rangers are going to miss stralman I think it was the best free agent signing this offseason 5 year term 4.5 per year for a top 4 defenseman. Sather did offer him 4 million per year they did try and keep him!

The possession stats don't lie. Clarkson > Callahan. They're not even in the same class.
- rangerdanger94

Did you even bother to look it up or is it just a troll?

I think the leafs have better players then the rangers right now

Good possession team. No Brodeur.
- Michael_Stuart

so Brodeur was a the problem in New Jersey?....April fools right? Their best player is 42 followed by a 38 year old Patrick Elias. They signed Cammalleri and Havlat who was bad on a good sharks team. They have 4 defencemen listed ( Greene, Harrold, Salvador, Zidlicky) add in Larsson and Merrill and you have a below average D so they better have the puck because if the other teams have it I think they are in trouble.... I'll give you an "E" for effort tho.

so Brodeur was a the problem in New Jersey?....April fools right? Their best player is 42 followed by a 38 year old Patrick Elias. They signed Cammalleri and Havlat who was bad on a good sharks team. They have 4 defencemen listed ( Greene, Harrold, Salvador, Zidlicky) add in Larsson and Merrill and you have a below average D so they better have the puck because if the other teams have it I think they are in trouble.... I'll give you an "E" for effort tho.
- RobFlyers#1

Marc Staal is and always will be better than Anton Stralman.

Another example of taking possession stats as the end all be all

Marc Staal is and always will be better than Anton Stralman.

Another example of taking possession stats as the end all be all
- sbroads24

Well the only thing Mike has said is that Stralman's possiesion numbers is better without Staal while Staal is worse without Stralman! Mike is proving that Stralman is a better posseision player, that we know for a fact. If Staal is better than Stralman is your own opinion!

Guys is yzerman ok I'm concerned he has not made a move for a few days now ?

Well the only thing Mike has said is that Stralman's possiesion numbers is better without Staal while Staal is worse without Stralman! Mike is proving that Stralman is a better posseision player, that we know for a fact. If Staal is better than Stralman is your own opinion!
- TampaTalk

While Stralman is a quality defencemen, Staal is a better Defencemen without a doubt and if 30 teams had to choose between which one would they want. Staal wins hands down and that includes the Lightning.

Well the only thing Mike has said is that Stralman's possiesion numbers is better without Staal while Staal is worse without Stralman! Mike is proving that Stralman is a better posseision player, that we know for a fact. If Staal is better than Stralman is your own opinion!
- TampaTalk

Yep, all the "facts" support that Stralman is better.....

While Stralman is a quality defencemen, Staal is a better Defencemen without a doubt and if 30 teams had to choose between which one would they want. Staal wins hands down and that includes the Lightning.
- RobFlyers#1

I would also take Staal but that is not the discussion! Again all that Mike is saying is that Stralman's possesion stats is better without Staal! Not that Stralman is a better overall D man, although he might think so.

I would also take Staal but that is not the discussion! Again all that Mike is saying is that Stralman's possesion stats is better without Staal! Not that Stralman is a better overall D man, although he might think so.
- TampaTalk

I think mike is putting to much emphasis on that stat. Stralman is only two years removed from almost being out of the NHL. Sometimes players benefit from the system they play in. I'm not sure that's the case here with Stralman but we'll find out. Personally I don't put much emphasis on the possession stat nor who he played with. Stralman had a good season and playoff run and signed in Tampa. That may be good for Tampa or it could be a case of Ville Leino who benefited from the system in Philly but could not come close to expectations under a different system
In buffalo.

so Brodeur was a the problem in New Jersey?....April fools right? Their best player is 42 followed by a 38 year old Patrick Elias. They signed Cammalleri and Havlat who was bad on a good sharks team. They have 4 defencemen listed ( Greene, Harrold, Salvador, Zidlicky) add in Larsson and Merrill and you have a below average D so they better have the puck because if the other teams have it I think they are in trouble.... I'll give you an "E" for effort tho.
- RobFlyers#1

Yes, yes he was.

I think mike is putting to much emphasis on that stat. Stralman is only two years removed from almost being out of the NHL. Sometimes players benefit from the system they play in. I'm not sure that's the case here with Stralman but we'll find out. Personally I don't put much emphasis on the possession stat nor who he played with. Stralman had a good season and playoff run and signed in Tampa. That may be good for Tampa or it could be a case of Ville Leino who benefited from the system in Philly but could not come close to expectations under a different system
In buffalo.
- RobFlyers#1

That was the same story with MSL in Calgary, who knows what will become of the signing but I like the move. Defence men play in pairs so individual stats can be misleading. I rather look at what the two do to compliment each other or not. Chemistry has a lot to do with it not just stats. You can't look at just stats, you can respect what they represent but you can't take the human factors out of it. The ranger fans want to argue who is this and that but the human factor with MSLs loss probably kept them going last year against the Pens. Down 3-1 and looking listless and making vacation plans sparked them on to the finals. The human factor had more to do with their success than stats. Losing Stammer last year also pointed to the same factor when players stepped up to carry the load. They could have easily packed it in and no one would have blamed them. The heart is more important than any number.

Yes, yes he was.
- Michael_Stuart

Brodeur had more wins in less starts than Schneider.

Yes, yes he was.
- Michael_Stuart

ok then.....how?

Brodeur had more wins in less starts than Schneider.
- rangerdanger94

Brodeur's 5v5 SV% was .904. Schneider's was .924.

That was the same story with MSL in Calgary, who knows what will become of the signing but I like the move. Defence men play in pairs so individual stats can be misleading. I rather look at what the two do to compliment each other or not. Chemistry has a lot to do with it not just stats. You can't look at just stats, you can respect what they represent but you can't take the human factors out of it. The ranger fans want to argue who is this and that but the human factor with MSLs loss probably kept them going last year against the Pens. Down 3-1 and looking listless and making vacation plans sparked them on to the finals. The human factor had more to do with their success than stats. Losing Stammer last year also pointed to the same factor when players stepped up to carry the load. They could have easily packed it in and no one would have blamed them. The heart is more important than any number.
- tpd11

I agree. I'm not saying Stralman will bust or was a bad signing but the possibility is there for a guy who was almost out of the league. Time will tell if it was him maturing and becoming a quality d-man or if he benefited from the system.

ok then.....how?
- RobFlyers#1

How? Among goaltenders who played more than 21 games last season, he had the 55th ranked SV% at 5v5. That's out of a total of 59 goaltenders. Those below him include.... Kevin Poulin, Devan Dubnyk, Pekka Rinne, and Antti Raanta. None of those guys played more games than Brodeur.

He was horrible. There's a reason he's still floating around as a free agent.

I agree. I'm not saying Stralman will bust or was a bad signing but the possibility is there for a guy who was almost out of the league. Time will tell if it was him maturing and becoming a quality d-man or if he benefited from the system.
- RobFlyers#1

I think Tortorella's system benefited him in a huge, huge way. He just continued on that trajectory with AV. Moving to a new city with new teammates will be an adjustment.

Brodeur's 5v5 SV% was .904. Schneider's was .924.
- Michael_Stuart

Who faced more shots and quality scoring chances 5 on 5?

Who faced more shots and quality scoring chances 5 on 5?
- RobFlyers#1

You're honestly going to argue that Brodeur was comparable to Schneider last year?

Brodeur's 5v5 SV% was .904. Schneider's was .924.
- Michael_Stuart

You're arguing that the Devils missed the playoffs because Brodeur played a lot.

Save percentage isn't what gets a team into a playoffs, directly at least. It's points from WINS and LOSSES that determine that. Brodeur got the Devils 44 points in 39 games. Schneider got the Devils 44 points as well, but in 45 games.

Save percentage is irrelevant to this discussion. The Devils offense was terrible and that's why they didn't make the playoffs. They couldn't score. Same issue as the year prior.

You're arguing that the Devils missed the playoffs because Brodeur played a lot.

Save percentage isn't what gets a team into a playoffs, directly at least. It's points from WINS and LOSSES that determine that. Brodeur got the Devils 44 points in 39 games. Schneider got the Devils 44 points as well, but in 45 games.

Save percentage is irrelevant to this discussion. The Devils offense was terrible and that's why they didn't make the playoffs. They couldn't score. Same issue as the year prior.
- rangerdanger94

I'm arguing that, had they given Schneider another 20 starts, they would have made the playoffs. These things even out. Save percentage in the long-run matters. You can win on one night with a .500 save percentage. But is that sustainable in the long run? Nope.

How? Among goaltenders who played more than 21 games last season, he had the 55th ranked SV% at 5v5. That's out of a total of 59 goaltenders. Those below him include.... Kevin Poulin, Devan Dubnyk, Pekka Rinne, and Antti Raanta. None of those guys played more games than Brodeur.

He was horrible. There's a reason he's still floating around as a free agent.
- Michael_Stuart

The reason he's still floating around is because it's not a goalies market. Even if he was horrible as you say. The devils are not exactly a power house who has a great defence core nor are they a highly offensive team.