Maybe I'm overconfident in them, but I would be fine if we lost Martin for a top 6 wing. I would do Martin for Marleau right now and not even blink.
- YouMeAndDupuis9

I like you would love to get Marleau, and I would make that deal too. But we would need to shed more salary, I guess we could then trade Sutter for picks or prospects. Maybe pry Edmontons 1st out of them for him.

Where do you see Marleau fitting best?

Kunitz Crosby Marleau
or
Hornqvist Malkin Marleau

I like you would love to get Marleau, and I would make that deal too. But we would need to shed more salary, I guess we could then trade Sutter for picks or prospects. Maybe pry Edmontons 1st out of them for him.

Where do you see Marleau fitting best?

Kunitz Crosby Marleau
or
Hornqvist Malkin Marleau
- stackthepads

I believe hes a left wing..I would say:

Marleau-Crosby-Hornqvist
Kunitz-Malkin-Bennett/Dupuis/Downie

Right wings are interchangeable in this example.

I believe hes a left wing..I would say:

Marleau-Crosby-Hornqvist
Kunitz-Malkin-Bennett/Dupuis/Downie

Right wings are interchangeable in this example.
- YouMeAndDupuis9

You'd take Kunitz of Crosby's wing?

You'd take Kunitz of Crosby's wing?
- stackthepads

If we had Marleau I would. We know Kunitz plays really well with Malkin as well. I guess more importantly, I'd like to split up Kunitz and Hornqvist. They have a similar style so I want them on different lines. Either way Marleau gives you options. I think he's one of those rare elite guys that will continue to play well until he's 37 (end of his contract). He'd be a great bridge for building into the new era for Kapenen, and whatever forward we draft next year (yes, we better draft another forward haha)

If we had Marleau I would. We know Kunitz plays really well with Malkin as well. I guess more importantly, I'd like to split up Kunitz and Hornqvist. They have a similar style so I want them on different lines. Either way Marleau gives you options. I think he's one of those rare elite guys that will continue to play well until he's 37 (end of his contract). He'd be a great bridge for building into the new era for Kapenen, and whatever forward we draft next year (yes, we better draft another forward haha)
- YouMeAndDupuis9

Now... hypothetical

Do you trade Martin for Thornton?

Read this about Booth on HF Boards. Why don't we take a fly on this guy for under $1M?He could get shifts on pretty much any line.

"Originally Posted by MS
I've never been a big Booth fan and in my opinion it would have been best if he could have been bought out last summer.

Having said that, I've been reasonably impressed with his play so far. He's awkward at times, and makes some strange decisions with the puck (I'd say his hockey sense is 'interesting' more than good or bad - not really sure what to make of it as it alternates between 'solid play!' and 'huh?') but he's constantly around the puck, winning battles, and driving it forward. And it's pretty effective.

And we saw this as well last year. It doesn't necessarily translate into that many points, but he's generally helping his line win their shifts. Overpaid, but a handy guy to have as someone who can play on any of the top 3 lines at ES."

Now... hypothetical

Do you trade Martin for Thornton?
- stackthepads

Umm...thats a tought one, but no. I dont think they would make that deal anyway.

Just no need for a center. Sure he'd be a hell of an upgrade over Sutter. Or maybe if you thought Malkin was a permanent wing for Sid. But no...Marleau fits a need.

Read this about Booth on HF Boards. Why don't we take a fly on this guy for under $1M?He could get shifts on pretty much any line.

"Originally Posted by MS
I've never been a big Booth fan and in my opinion it would have been best if he could have been bought out last summer.

Having said that, I've been reasonably impressed with his play so far. He's awkward at times, and makes some strange decisions with the puck (I'd say his hockey sense is 'interesting' more than good or bad - not really sure what to make of it as it alternates between 'solid play!' and 'huh?') but he's constantly around the puck, winning battles, and driving it forward. And it's pretty effective.

And we saw this as well last year. It doesn't necessarily translate into that many points, but he's generally helping his line win their shifts. Overpaid, but a handy guy to have as someone who can play on any of the top 3 lines at ES."
- Barnaby36

Im in Vancouver, so I watched alot of Booth. I think he would be a steal at $1M, even more so than Goc since I think his potential upside is higher.
He has alot of the qualities that make Dupuis so good, except more offensive and much less defensive.
3rd line steal IMO

to add to this:
He was brought into Vancouver to be the trigger for Kesler, and they never seemed to find chemistry so he got mixed around the lines. He did score 30 before, maybe with Crosby he could do it again. Vancouver fans are sour on him because he was so expensive and had some injury problems.

Read this about Booth on HF Boards. Why don't we take a fly on this guy for under $1M?He could get shifts on pretty much any line.

"Originally Posted by MS
I've never been a big Booth fan and in my opinion it would have been best if he could have been bought out last summer.

Having said that, I've been reasonably impressed with his play so far. He's awkward at times, and makes some strange decisions with the puck (I'd say his hockey sense is 'interesting' more than good or bad - not really sure what to make of it as it alternates between 'solid play!' and 'huh?') but he's constantly around the puck, winning battles, and driving it forward. And it's pretty effective.

And we saw this as well last year. It doesn't necessarily translate into that many points, but he's generally helping his line win their shifts. Overpaid, but a handy guy to have as someone who can play on any of the top 3 lines at ES."
- Barnaby36

Just so many injuries and even at a million, we don't have money to spend on people we dont "need". I think this team is full of David Booth-swing type guys. Spaling, Dupuis, Downie, etc. I'd choose Penner over Booth if we were taking a flyer. At least he is of a different build/skill set than the rest of the team.

I just think if we add someone, it should be someone who is more of a sure thing as a top 6. Booth is a question mark even if he's cheap...

Im in Vancouver, so I watched alot of Booth. I think he would be a steal at $1M, even more so than Goc since I think his potential upside is higher.
He has alot of the qualities that make Dupuis so good, except more offensive and much less defensive.
3rd line steal IMO
- stackthepads

Well you would know better than me then :-). Just the injuries scare me. Put it this way, if we DONT trade for a top 6 guy, I'm 100% for taking a flyer on a low risk move like Booth or Penner.

Just so many injuries and even at a million, we don't have money to spend on people we dont "need". I think this team is full of David Booth-swing type guys. Spaling, Dupuis, Downie, etc. I'd choose Penner over Booth if we were taking a flyer. At least he is of a different build/skill set than the rest of the team.

I just think if we add someone, it should be someone who is more of a sure thing as a top 6. Booth is a question mark even if he's cheap...
- YouMeAndDupuis9

You and I certainly do not agree here. Penner is way to slow to play on our top lines. Hit fit well with Perry and Getzlaf because they're both slow.

I do agree that we dont really have a spot on our third line, but I think a pick of Dupuis/Booth/Downie for the spot on Sids line would produce a very effictive top 9.

Downie Crosby Kunitz
Bennett Malkin Hornqvist
Booth Spaling Dupuis
Comeau Goc Whomever wins it
Adams

Notice I traded Sutter?

You and I certainly do not agree here. Penner is way to slow to play on our top lines. Hit fit well with Perry and Getzlaf because they're both slow.

I do agree that we dont really have a spot on our third line, but I think a pick of Dupuis/Booth/Downie for the spot on Sids line would produce a very effictive top 9.

Downie Crosby Kunitz
Bennett Malkin Hornqvist
Booth Spaling Dupuis
Comeau Goc Whomever wins it
Adams

Notice I traded Sutter?
- stackthepads

Downie in the top 6 is nonsense. I don't know why people keep bringing it up. The idea that Tocchet will cast some magic spell to make Downie produce like he did years back before the injuries is a hail mary at best. Plus, his production back then can easily be explained away by his quality of line mates, and no he did not play on the top line because of skill. He played because there was no one else. You've got to look at team circumstances. Who did TB have on their team in '09 and '10? The scoring threats were Stammer, Vinny, Marty, and Malone. That's only two legit top 6 wingers. After that there's a significant drop off. Between Kunitz, Horny, BB, Duper, and some potential surprises like Kapenen, Megna, and Spaling, we have plenty of guys on this team that are more capable than Downie in a top six roll, so there's no reason for him to play up there. Hell, I'd rather see Flat Stanley playing top 6 winger before Downie.

This isn't a knock on Downie, lets just play him in the correct roll.

Downie in the top 6 is nonsense. I don't know why people keep bringing it up. The idea that Tocchet will cast some magic spell to make Downie produce like he did years back before the injuries is a hail mary at best. Plus, his production back then can easily be explained away by his quality of line mates, and no he did not play on the top line because of skill. He played because there was no one else. You've got to look at team circumstances. Who did TB have on their team in '09 and '10? The scoring threats were Stammer, Vinny, Marty, and Malone. That's only two legit top 6 wingers. After that there's a significant drop off. Between Kunitz, Horny, BB, Duper, and some potential surprises like Kapenen, Megna, and Spaling, we have plenty of guys on this team that are more capable than Downie in a top six roll, so there's no reason for him to play up there. Hell, I'd rather see Flat Stanley playing top 6 winger before Downie.

This isn't a knock on Downie, lets just play him in the correct roll.
- Victoro311

I have no arguement to support putting Downie on the top line other than it was my flavour of the momment lines. I was just trying to illustrate a very strong top 9 with the addition of Booth.

I have no arguement to support putting Downie on the top line other than it was my flavour of the momment lines. I was just trying to illustrate a very strong top 9 with the addition of Booth.
- stackthepads

Fair enough. I've just noticed that a lot of people have been talking about him as an option for the top 6. I guess he technically is by virtue of being a winger who plays hockey, but I just don't see it as a way to improve the top 6. I'd rather see what Spaling can do, and I don't even want that.

Power forwards: Bill Guerin, Kevin Stevens, Cam Neely, Rick Tocchet, Keith Tkachuck, Corey Perry, etc. Patric Hornqvist?? He'll give an element to the Pens that they haven't had in a while but he is nowhere near a power forward.

Power forwards: Bill Guerin, Kevin Stevens, Cam Neely, Rick Tocchet, Keith Tkachuck, Corey Perry, etc. Patric Hornqvist?? He'll give an element to the Pens that they haven't had in a while but he is nowhere near a power forward.
- acdc1206

I watched Guerin for a long time in Edmonton and Pittsburgh, he was never the classic power forward of a Stevens, Neely or Tocchet. His game was that he was physical and not scared to go into dirty areas of the ice. He wasn't super intimidating and didn't fight a whole lot but he played hard hockey. Similar to Hornqvist. He's not scared of going into the nasty areas of the ice and staking his claim but he isn't going to scrap Milan Lucic.

Power forwards: Bill Guerin, Kevin Stevens, Cam Neely, Rick Tocchet, Keith Tkachuck, Corey Perry, etc. Patric Hornqvist?? He'll give an element to the Pens that they haven't had in a while but he is nowhere near a power forward.
- acdc1206

Someone called him a power Forward? Weird.

Hornqvist from what I have seen is the opposite of a power forward. He doesnt bowl his way to the net, he sneaks in, and he gets assulted for a bit maybe he gets forced out, but then all of a sudden there he is again! And he is one of the best at it. We lost one of the worlds best snipers, but gained one of the best net front guys (is there a term for them?)
I am really looking forward to seeing him on our powerplay.

Someone called him a power Forward? Weird.

Hornqvist from what I have seen is the opposite of a power forward. He doesnt bowl his way to the net, he sneaks in, and he gets assulted for a bit maybe he gets forced out, but then all of a sudden there he is again! And he is one of the best at it. We lost one of the worlds best snipers, but gained one of the best net front guys (is there a term for them?)
I am really looking forward to seeing him on our powerplay.
- stackthepads

Indeed there is. Its called....


The trash man.

Downie in the top 6 is nonsense. I don't know why people keep bringing it up. The idea that Tocchet will cast some magic spell to make Downie produce like he did years back before the injuries is a hail mary at best. Plus, his production back then can easily be explained away by his quality of line mates, and no he did not play on the top line because of skill. He played because there was no one else. You've got to look at team circumstances. Who did TB have on their team in '09 and '10? The scoring threats were Stammer, Vinny, Marty, and Malone. That's only two legit top 6 wingers. After that there's a significant drop off. Between Kunitz, Horny, BB, Duper, and some potential surprises like Kapenen, Megna, and Spaling, we have plenty of guys on this team that are more capable than Downie in a top six roll, so there's no reason for him to play up there. Hell, I'd rather see Flat Stanley playing top 6 winger before Downie.

This isn't a knock on Downie, lets just play him in the correct roll.
- Victoro311

Agree. Downie on the top line just reeks of desperation. I dont think he belongs with Sid. Maybe, maybeee he could fit with Geno if there is no other option. And not to start a hockeybuzz war but I believe Dupuis' role is 3rd line as well (its just an opinion, breathe, relax). So if we are counting on Bennett, and everyone else is in their proper roles, there is still 1 hole in the top 6.

If no trades are made, by all means, get Booth signed to a cheap deal if possbile. Swing guys aren't the answer in my opinion, but if that's the route GMJR wants to take, I guess it's best to have a bunch of them. Odds are that one of them can catch lightning so to speak.

Indeed there is. Its called....


The trash man.
- Victoro311

I like that.

Agree. Downie on the top line just reeks of desperation. I dont think he belongs with Sid. Maybe, maybeee he could fit with Geno if there is no other option. And not to start a hockeybuzz war but I believe Dupuis' role is 3rd line as well (its just an opinion, breathe, relax). So if we are counting on Bennett, and everyone else is in their proper roles, there is still 1 hole in the top 6.

If no trades are made, by all means, get Booth signed to a cheap deal if possbile. Swing guys aren't the answer in my opinion, but if that's the route GMJR wants to take, I guess it's best to have a bunch of them. Odds are that one of them can catch lightning so to speak.
- YouMeAndDupuis9

Its been my experience that those are fighting words around here

Honestly, I'm still on the Setoguchi train. We could get him for 1 or 1.5 mil, play him on Geno's right, and if he doesn't work out, scratch him and try to trade him for a low pick or have him be a throw in for some deadline acquisition. Even if we're stuck with him its just another 1 year 1 mil contract that will come off the books next year. That's the worst case. The best case is that a 27 year old forward rebounds to his previous production levels by being around top notch talent again and in a winning environment. Low risk, medium reward if you ask me.

Its been my experience that those are fighting words around here

Honestly, I'm still on the Setoguchi train. We could get him for 1 or 1.5 mil, play him on Geno's right, and if he doesn't work out, scratch him and try to trade him for a low pick or have him be a throw in for some deadline acquisition. Even if we're stuck with him its just another 1 year 1 mil contract that will come off the books next year. That's the worst case. The best case is that a 27 year old forward rebounds to his previous production levels by being around top notch talent again and in a winning environment. Low risk, medium reward if you ask me.
- Victoro311

Haha good thing we're the only ones up this late or I would have started a battle royale.

Dude, I can't believe I keep forgetting about him. I'd put him in the Booth category. I like that both guys are fast and have decent hands. That in theory should be all that's needed to be decent with 87 or 71. Although I would bet Setoguchi is looking for at least $2M.

$1M is like the most we can spend right now. Maybe we can sell them on the Jussi Jokinen reclamation project to payday story...

Nice highlights video someone put together of the new Penguins additions

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=buw2uBby2q8

Nice highlights video someone put together of the new Penguins additions

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=buw2uBby2q8
- stackthepads

Nice. Nothing like highlight packages to get you pumped for the season. Ehrhoff can burn. Didn't realize he was that fast.

Comeau actually did a little dangle....already an improvement over Glass haha.

Haha good thing we're the only ones up this late or I would have started a battle royale.

Dude, I can't believe I keep forgetting about him. I'd put him in the Booth category. I like that both guys are fast and have decent hands. That in theory should be all that's needed to be decent with 87 or 71. Although I would bet Setoguchi is looking for at least $2M.

$1M is like the most we can spend right now. Maybe we can sell them on the Jussi Jokinen reclamation project to payday story...
- YouMeAndDupuis9

Yeah I wouldn't go over 1 mil on the Gooch because he's just to big of a gamble. He's definitely not a better option than a healthy BB, and its a far cry that he'd be a better option than Duper. However, Duper could be one of the best 3rd liners in the league, so if Seto could come close to replicating Duper's production on the top 6, I'd say move him for the sake of moving Dupuis to the third and creating what could be one of the most well balanced top three lines in the league.

Problem is, Setoguchi cannot play in a bottom 6 roll, so if he doesn't produce he would have to be scratched. Wouldn't be a bad reserve guy if someone (I'm looking at you, Bennett) gets injured. I really don't want to have to resort to playing Downie or Spaling in the top 6. If BB can't stay healthy:

Kunitz-Crosby-Dupuis
Hornqvist-Malkin-Setoguchi

looks a hell of a lot better to me than

Kunitz-Crosby-Dupuis
Hornqvist-Malkin-Downie