He'd make a helluva used car salesman. Bet he could get you & LGI to buy a Yugo for $50,000.

Wait till JT walks in 2018. You guys will have an excuse for that one as well.
- jmo16

I would listen to his pitch!

Are LGI and I buying the same car or Garth has 2 for sale?

If JT walks in 2018.... Strome will be there to step into the #1 center role.

XxNYIxX

I would listen to his pitch!

Are LGI and I buying the same car or Garth has 2 for sale?

If JT walks in 2018.... Strome will be there to step into the #1 center role.

XxNYIxX
- XxNYIxX

If JT were to walk it would be a massive loss for this franchise and likely be the last time I bothered with them again. I've waited for years for someone to replace turgeon. [/img]

Do you work for a municipality or in politics? Because those are the only two careers I can think of where ineffectiveness is tolerated at such high levels and all shortcomings are explained away with a constant excuse-generator.

The fact that Cappy is still our coach SCREAMS to the point that Garth has not done all he can to improve the team or is unwilling to bring in an respected, veteran coach who might oppose/question some of his actions. Most FA's (who are worth much of anything) won't touch the Island regardless of the money being offered. Boyle WOULDN'T EVEN DISCUSS a contract until just before July 1st, which he used as leverage with other clubs. Hate to mention it but he's also squandered three 1st round picks(Bailey is stagnant, Nino traded away for crap & Vanek/Moulson trade, which we LOST by a margin).

I didn't expect it all to be turned around in one or two seasons but if you look at the results(and that is the factor most professions are evaluated by) we haven't made much progress since he took over. He's done a good job at drafting(hard to screw up Top 5 every year) and there are assets in the minors(which he can't decide on who to trade) but beyond that he's been a failure. That's my opinion. You can like it or not.
I don't care. Most here would agree with me.
- jmo16

You just don't understand...

Incarcerated Bob IBN ‏@incarceratedbob · 1h
Lets remember Garth Snow turned Chris Campoli into Calvin de Haan .. chalk one up for the #Snowman

Incarcerated Bob IBN ‏@incarceratedbob · 1h
Lets remember Garth Snow turned Chris Campoli into Calvin de Haan .. chalk one up for the #Snowman
- jimmc7722

Campoli, still best known for the giveaway that allowed the Canucks to beat the Hawks in the playoffs.

http://islanderanalytics.wordpress.com/

http://islanderanalytics.wordpress.com/


- eichiefs9

That guy is very good with fancy stats

That guy is very good with fancy stats
- Danformo

I know, I'm pretty awesome.

I'm also excited to read an Isles blog with the main focus being fancy stats.

Do you work for a municipality or in politics? Because those are the only two careers I can think of where ineffectiveness is tolerated at such high levels and all shortcomings are explained away with a constant excuse-generator.

The fact that Cappy is still our coach SCREAMS to the point that Garth has not done all he can to improve the team or is unwilling to bring in an respected, veteran coach who might oppose/question some of his actions. Most FA's (who are worth much of anything) won't touch the Island regardless of the money being offered. Boyle WOULDN'T EVEN DISCUSS a contract until just before July 1st, which he used as leverage with other clubs. Hate to mention it but he's also squandered three 1st round picks(Bailey is stagnant, Nino traded away for crap & Vanek/Moulson trade, which we LOST by a margin).

I didn't expect it all to be turned around in one or two seasons but if you look at the results(and that is the factor most professions are evaluated by) we haven't made much progress since he took over. He's done a good job at drafting(hard to screw up Top 5 every year) and there are assets in the minors(which he can't decide on who to trade) but beyond that he's been a failure. That's my opinion. You can like it or not.
I don't care. Most here would agree with me.
- jmo16

100% agree with the first part of this- coach dumba$$ is 90% of the problem here. You will see it again this year, when Snow puts a far better product on the ice than last year, and they still struggle to win games. They'll look much better when they get great goaltending; when the goaltending is just OK, then you'll notice the running around in circles and the lack of cohesion in their own end, I guarantee it. Until this guy is replaced by someone worthy of coaching this team- a guy who will insist on discipline and accountability to each other- they will continue to fail, at least to an extent. At some point, talent makes you at least the Penguins....you know, you'll win one Cup, when you should win six. However, even THEY fired their coach. Let that one sink in for a minute.

On the other hand- the Boyle thing in regards to using us as leverage is incorrect. Boyle's agent was quoted as saying his client wanted to play for the Rag$- that if there was an offer from the Rag$, the length/money of contract would not matter, he was going to Manhattan....in other words, either he grew up a Rag$ fan, or he's friends with St. Louis, and he wanted to play on his team one last time. Of course, that speaks to a different problem.....if you're a NHL GM, how do you not know that before you make that trade? That's the puzzling part to me....I know there's "tampering" and what not, but that's all BS. It's one thing to talk about someone else's player in the press, it's quite another to ask his agent behind the scenes if you have any shot before you talk to the GM in question about acquiring the player. That's more learning on the job for Mr. Snow- in normal organizations, you learn on the job while you are the second banana, not when you already have the job....but...that's our Charlie.

Incarcerated Bob IBN ‏@incarceratedbob · 1h
Lets remember Garth Snow turned Chris Campoli into Calvin de Haan .. chalk one up for the #Snowman
- jimmc7722

Yeah...he was one of the worst defensemen I've ever seen. He was actually worse than Bruno in his own end, which takes some doing.

Via Brian Compton:

#Isles From Kabanov's Facebook page: "I think it is time to say goodbye to all NY Islanders fans. Thank you for all your wishes and for great support through all those years. It was my choice to move and huge respect to Garth for understanding. I spend 4 years with the Islanders organization and never had a chance to play even in AHL for them. But I still appreciate Islanders Medical staff for being with me after injury i get my first year in Bridgeport. and all the staff in Islanders organization.. And specially fans . You will be my friends forever no matter what team i will play in the future. I made great friends and fall in love with Long Island, but it is time to move."
- UIF

And again....f***ing around on Facebook. How about the weight room? Maybe a little bit of, say...I don't know...skating and stuff? That said, I'm fine with this- Garth took a shot with a middling draft pick...what the f**k, right?

From one of the other comments, though- I think Ho-Sang isn't a comparison here. From all I've read, it sounds like he gives too much of a sh*t about hockey, instead of too little- he's just a typical 18 year old who knows everything about everything. Once he starts playing in leagues where he's not simply better than everyone else, hopefully he'll learn that his knowledge and intelligence isn't all that which he thinks it is at this point. Of course, we need to keep him as far away from here as possible for a couple of years....it's bad enough when you're calling your coach a dummy when he's NOT a dummy. Wait until he gets a load of this one.

Fair enough. The only good thing to happen with a slow start this year will be that cappy is gone
- Vukota

Exactly- much as I'd hate to see that again (and will be absolutely livid if he's not fired in short order, if the season starts poorly), at least a slow start may actually do us a favor. My fear, though, is that with this talent, they're going to at least be mediocre, which may drag this out through half the season or so before something is done about it. Especially if this team acquires a solid NHL defenseman, it should at least be in contention for a spot at the dance, from day one- anything less than that should bring out the hook, pretty much immediately.

I like our defense heading into next season. Would I be against adding a top 4 guy for a reasonable price? No way, I'd be all for it, however I wouldn't be upset if Snow went to battle with what we have now. Last season we were 16th in the league in shots against. That means our young defensive unit that was missing Lubo for most of the year and only got ~40 games from Dehann was average. I understand that league average D doesn't often win cups, however good goaltending does and we should have that now after having the worst goaltending by a mile.

I like our defense heading into next season. Would I be against adding a top 4 guy for a reasonable price? No way, I'd be all for it, however I wouldn't be upset if Snow went to battle with what we have now. Last season we were 16th in the league in shots against. That means our young defensive unit that was missing Lubo for most of the year and only got ~40 games from Dehann was average. I understand that league average D doesn't often win cups, however good goaltending does and we should have that now after having the worst goaltending by a mile.
- Dgmilazz

I haven't disagreed more with a post in a long time.

I like our defense heading into next season. Would I be against adding a top 4 guy for a reasonable price? No way, I'd be all for it, however I wouldn't be upset if Snow went to battle with what we have now. Last season we were 16th in the league in shots against. That means our young defensive unit that was missing Lubo for most of the year and only got ~40 games from Dehann was average. I understand that league average D doesn't often win cups, however good goaltending does and we should have that now after having the worst goaltending by a mile.
- Dgmilazz

If our D is average then give 15 team names that have worst defense than us...I would certainly like to see that.

If our D is average then give 15 team names that have worst defense than us...I would certainly like to see that.
- ziggy_skalica

Ok last season the Jets, Stars, Jackets, Flyers, Hurricanes, Coyotes, Canadians, Panthers, Oilers, Avalanche, Capitals, Sabers, Senators, and Leafs all allowed more shots on goal than us.

Defense= limiting opponents’ offensive opportunities. Measuring shots is about as close as that gets.

And again....f***ing around on Facebook. How about the weight room? Maybe a little bit of, say...I don't know...skating and stuff? That said, I'm fine with this- Garth took a shot with a middling draft pick...what the f**k, right?

From one of the other comments, though- I think Ho-Sang isn't a comparison here. From all I've read, it sounds like he gives too much of a sh*t about hockey, instead of too little- he's just a typical 18 year old who knows everything about everything. Once he starts playing in leagues where he's not simply better than everyone else, hopefully he'll learn that his knowledge and intelligence isn't all that which he thinks it is at this point. Of course, we need to keep him as far away from here as possible for a couple of years....it's bad enough when you're calling your coach a dummy when he's NOT a dummy. Wait until he gets a load of this one.
- dcb1

In regards to the bolded:

This is getting to be a tired and unfounded fan response to any athlete. So what, he was on facebook? Who cares? If you were upset about what he wrote that's one thing, but getting angry about him using facebook is nonsense. Athletes, despite being paid to play their sport, still have lives that don't revolve around training for said sport. They don't live in a tent at center ice or under a leg press machine. It's as ridiculous as people that flipped their sh!t on P Kessel for tweeting about fishing with his friends when the Leafs season was over.

Ok last season the Jets, Stars, Jackets, Flyers, Hurricanes, Coyotes, Canadians, Panthers, Oilers, Avalanche, Capitals, Sabers, Senators, and Leafs all allowed more shots on goal than us.

Defense= limiting opponents’ offensive opportunities. Measuring shots is about as close as that gets.
- Dgmilazz

I don't think anyone would disagree that we allowed far too many great opportunities for our opponents. That's not something that shows up in shots against. Our goalies also allowed a crapload of softies so while the goaltending has been upgraded, I'm still very concerned with our defense.

I don't think anyone would disagree that we allowed far too many great opportunities for our opponents. That's not something that shows up in shots against. Our goalies also allowed a crapload of softies so while the goaltending has been upgraded, I'm still very concerned with our defense.
- Isles_since_6

We also had the 7th most giveaways in the league. But also the 2nd most takeaways.

I don't think anyone would disagree that we allowed far too many great opportunities for our opponents. That's not something that shows up in shots against. Our goalies also allowed a crapload of softies so while the goaltending has been upgraded, I'm still very concerned with our defense.
- Isles_since_6

It's impossible to measure the quality of shots against, and by law, they should even out. Click this:http://nhlnumbers.com/201...lity-matters-but-how-much

We also had the 7th most giveaways in the league. But also the 2nd most takeaways.
- eichiefs9

And we were tied (EDM/FLA) for 2nd fewest wins when we scored first.

6 way tie for 6th most losses when scoring first.

And we were tied (EDM/FLA) for 2nd fewest wins when we scored first.

6 way tie for 6th most losses when scoring first.
- eichiefs9

And last in save %

It's impossible to measure the quality of shots against, and by law, they should even out. Click this:http://nhlnumbers.com/201...lity-matters-but-how-much
- Dgmilazz

Together, Fenwick/Corsi and Luck account for around 3/4 of team winning percentage. What's the remainder? Goaltending talent - which Tom Awad estimates at about 5% - and special teams, along with a very small sliver that's due to shooting talent and the oft-mentioned "shot quality."

It's impossible to measure the quality of shots against, and by law, they should even out. Click this:http://nhlnumbers.com/201...lity-matters-but-how-much
- Dgmilazz

I had a long winded response to your original post and we lost power at work . The jist of it was I dont understand how anyone can watch our defense from last season and be ok going into next season with the same? Sure, a lot of it has to do with coaching but there is a clear need for help on our blue line. One of the worst defenses ive ever seen in relation to this team. Halak is not patrick Roy. Even if he were his goals against would be destroyed in no time by the quality scoring chances our defense allowed. Barring a coaching change and a clear dedication to defense or one of our prospects we are hoping to make it out of camp is a Calder nominee in waiting we need defense. Having good forward depth and a decent goaltender is nice but you arent going to go to far in today's NHL without stability on our blue line. Our blue line is far from stable.

Together, Fenwick/Corsi and Luck account for around 3/4 of team winning percentage. What's the remainder? Goaltending talent - which Tom Awad estimates at about 5% - and special teams, along with a very small sliver that's due to shooting talent and the oft-mentioned "shot quality."


- eichiefs9

You used up your one allotted Corsi reference for the day. Its going to be a long one for you.