I find it funny Flyer fans making fun of the Jackets, while the Flyers have Andrew Macdonald, Nik Grossman and Luke Schenn on the blueline.
- tomburton99

and you have a blathering idiot as a GM

I find it funny Flyer fans making fun of the Jackets, while the Flyers have Andrew Macdonald, Nik Grossman and Luke Schenn on the blueline.
- tomburton99

What is wrong with either Dman? Mac Donald is a good Dman with moderate size and good mobility, he can move the puck well and chip in offensively. His is in no way an elite Dman but he is a solid top 4 choice. Grossman another solid Dman who plays very well in his own end, blocks shots and plays physical in the corners. He has some issues with puck management and sometimes turns the puck over. Schenn another big physical Dman, has much better puck control than Grossman, blocks shots and like Grossman is physical in the corners.

Grossman and Schenn are huge parts of the team, if you look at the Flyers D there are a couple of undersized Dmen already. Striet and Timonen are small guys and AMac like I said has some decent size to him. This D core is in no way elite but it is good enough, last season the issue was with backchecking forwards. Points left wide open and players standing around in the Defensive end while guys just skate by and get some easy tap in/one timer goals.

There still stuck with Vinny now that Nashville got deep at center.
- Alexzanki

Wouldnt really call it Stuck. Flyers are fine with him staying. The only reason he was going to be dealt was for extra Cap relief so we didn't have to use LTIR option 2 (Look it up on Cap Geek, too lazy to explain) and because Lecavalier was not happy with his role last season, hence why he was able to negotiate with other teams to find a deal. Guy got 20 goals last season playing injured while being bumped around, mostly playing 8 mins a game with Rinaldo and Hall. Sure he got 2nd unit PP time but that was 30 seconds per PP which obviously wasn't much since he still only had 8-10 mins total Ice time per game

There still stuck with Vinny now that Nashville got deep at center.
- Alexzanki

i'd love to be stuck with a guy that was on pace for about 33 goals before getting injured but whatever i guess that's too successful for columbus

i'd love to be stuck with a guy that was on pace for about 33 goals before getting injured but whatever i guess that's too successful for columbus
- 2Real

You mean the same amount that Ryan Johansen scored at age 21? The internet is easy if you know how.

and you have a blathering idiot as a GM
- 2Real

Ah yes. They all can't be as good as the Flyers former GM in Homer. He not only helped build a cup winner but also gave away a Vezina winner too. That guy is great.

You mean the same amount that Ryan Johansen scored at age 21? The internet is easy if you know how.


- blacksheep1

being smart isn't so easy apparently. as in: what the (frank) difference does it make how old your 33 goal scorer is? 2real's point is that if vinny isn't traded we're "stuck" with a pretty good player.
also, without giroux and jake, hartnell's numbers are not going to be nearly as good with the exception of his pim

Wouldnt really call it Stuck. Flyers are fine with him staying. The only reason he was going to be dealt was for extra Cap relief so we didn't have to use LTIR option 2 (Look it up on Cap Geek, too lazy to explain) and because Lecavalier was not happy with his role last season, hence why he was able to negotiate with other teams to find a deal. Guy got 20 goals last season playing injured while being bumped around, mostly playing 8 mins a game with Rinaldo and Hall. Sure he got 2nd unit PP time but that was 30 seconds per PP which obviously wasn't much since he still only had 8-10 mins total Ice time per game
- xShoot4WarAmpsx

All season long flyer fans wanted him gone, also if I'm not mistaken he's a defensive liability and he doesn't show up some nights, I agree it's impressive that he produce 20 goals with the likes of hall and Renaldo, but the reasons why I say your stuck with him is because the flyer don't need him when Giroux and Schenn can do his job but better. And Couts is probably morphing into a better defensive forward then him, so in all sense what team pays a 4th line center ( likely where he might end up unless there are injuries) 4 million.

Again,I find it funny how you flyer fans turn the knife on hartnell (who I think will play with RJ and Horton) all of a sudden and then turn a blind eye to Lecavalier's poor play and acting like if your all okay with it, or are you just double standard?

Umberger was demoted over the season because he can't keep up. He had many chances with top line players. Also he can't shoot. So you have a slow guy who only scores 5 feet from the net. His possesion numbers are close to the worst on the team. But go ahead and ignore this and think he is going to make your team better. Can't wait until 10 games into the season all the Philly fans complaining about him.
- bjacket

Keep in mind Hartnell was demoted a lot too during his time in Philly!! Hartnell Can't shoot. And keep in mind possession numbers increase or decrease by the amount of talent you play around.

Keep in mind Hartnell was demoted a lot too during his time in Philly!! Hartnell Can't shoot. And keep in mind possession numbers increase or decrease by the amount of talent you play around.
- BernieKorch

Garbage goals are as effective on the scoreboard .......

All season long flyer fans wanted him gone, also if I'm not mistaken he's a defensive liability and he doesn't show up some nights, I agree it's impressive that he produce 20 goals with the likes of hall and Renaldo, but the reasons why I say your stuck with him is because the flyer don't need him when Giroux and Schenn can do his job but better. And Couts is probably morphing into a better defensive forward then him, so in all sense what team pays a 4th line center ( likely where he might end up unless there are injuries) 4 million.

Again,I find it funny how you flyer fans turn the knife on hartnell (who I think will play with RJ and Horton) all of a sudden and then turn a blind eye to Lecavalier's poor play and acting like if your all okay with it, or are you just double standard?
- Alexzanki

All season long fans were frustrated that he didn't perform to expectations but no one understands how it is to play with a fractured vertebrae. People easily forget he had an incredible hot start to the season before getting hurt. Lecavalier will likely take 2nd line Center and Schenn to the wing.

As for Hartnell I like the guy but he wasn't that good. Poor skater, slow skater, takes bad penalties (improved on that last season), horrible passer (You have no idea how many times he franked up an offensive zone possession on a bad pass), he is a defensive liability (He just stands there in the defensive zone, doesn't move his feet.). He is a good forchecker when he is actually on his game. Hartnell can be a good player when he is hot but when he is cold he plays like an AHL player. There is no middle ground with the guy.

Garbage goals are as effective on the scoreboard .......
- Alexzanki

He doesn't get a ton of garbage goals. His goals consist of Tap ins from Giroux, One timers from Giroux, the occasional garbage goal and the odd powerplay tip in. To put things in perspective Hartnell played top line minutes most of they year, 2nd line for the rest, top line PP minutes and he still didn't do much better than an injured Lecavalier.

Hartnell 78 GP 20 Goals 32 Assists for 52 points
Lecavalier 69 GP 20 Goals 17 Assists for 37 points

Hartnell had so many advantages over Vinny and he only managed 15 more points

He doesn't get a ton of garbage goals. His goals consist of Tap ins from Giroux, One timers from Giroux, the occasional garbage goal and the odd powerplay tip in. To put things in perspective Hartnell played top line minutes most of they year, 2nd line for the rest, top line PP minutes and he still didn't do much better than an injured Lecavalier.

Hartnell 78 GP 20 Goals 32 Assists for 52 points
Lecavalier 69 GP 20 Goals 17 Assists for 37 points

Hartnell had so many advantages over Vinny and he only managed 15 more points
- xShoot4WarAmpsx

Lecavalier was given the tools at the starts and then was downgraded to the fourth because of his lack of defense and skating. YOur argument is really a glass half empty half full. Like you said he probably got 12 of his 20 at the start of the season then went cold.

As for Hartnell your saying he can one time it contrary to what your friend said (that he can't shot) ,besides, like I said, he will be paired with RJ and Jenner so in a way that's a compensation for Giroux and V. From what I can understand he can produce even with no leg speed, but he get's his hands dirty and goes in the corners (that I know he can do) so that's the difference were getting contrary to RJU who simply skate around waiting for a puck to be handed to him.

Lecavalier was given the tools at the starts and then was downgraded to the fourth because of his lack of defense and skating. YOur argument is really a glass half empty half full. Like you said he probably got 12 of his 20 at the start of the season then went cold.

As for Hartnell your saying he can one time it contrary to what your friend said (that he can't shot) ,besides, like I said, he will be paired with RJ and Jenner so in a way that's a compensation for Giroux and V. From what I can understand he can produce even with no leg speed, but he get's his hands dirty and goes in the corners (that I know he can do) so that's the difference were getting contrary to RJU who simply skate around waiting for a puck to be handed to him.
- Alexzanki

Yea he was given the tools early and he was doing well. After he got hurt the rest of the Flyers were playing well and he became the odd man out when he returned. He will likely get a second chance at LW with Giroux, if that fails he will probably center the 2nd line and move Schenn to the wing.