We will have plenty of space. dont worry
- jmdodgeser4

Questionable. You still have to shave a little over 3m before THIS year starts.

young and you can have him locked down for 7 years if you negotiate correctly with him. Hes not a rental. around 30 goals, 60pts, league leader in take aways. Hes has a lot of value, and is worth up to 6m right now. More than 6m you are banking on him taking his game to a bergeron level.

Risk and reward with that guy.

Come on trade us Ryan, I wan ta line of Landeskog MacKinnon and Ryan
- DDM-Coga

You guys can do better than Bobby Ryan for ROR. Lots better.

Questionable. You still have to shave a little over 3m before THIS year starts.
- djamon

we dont need to shed anything. We need to add a little bit more to take full advantage of the ltir for pronger. Remember in the cba we can add him to ltir the last day of camp but in order to receive the best use for his cap hit we must be at the max cap number so when we subtract his ltir we can send players to the mminors to give us back the cap space needed for the season. being able to ltir him day one of the season is the best case for use of his cap but it prolly wont happen this year.

You guys can do better than Bobby Ryan for ROR. Lots better.
- djamon

I really want a guy like Eberle. ROR for a RW at the mid 20s range is the ideal target but after some of the moves management pulled off this offseason, I question their ability to get full value on their players.

They get the guy they want but I think they over spend on getting them. If they do move ROR, they wont get full value on him and it will eat at my soul

Have to remember this is the same player that wanted more money than Getz and Perry during his last contract talks. It's going to be an even harder sell with UFA looming.

Hope the price was worth the two year rental.

we dont need to shed anything. We need to add a little bit more to take full advantage of the ltir for pronger. Remember in the cba we can add him to ltir the last day of camp but in order to receive the best use for his cap hit we must be at the max cap number so when we subtract his ltir we can send players to the mminors to give us back the cap space needed for the season. being able to ltir him day one of the season is the best case for use of his cap but it prolly wont happen this year.
- jmdodgeser4

You don't get LTIR until the season starts...you must be Cap compliant before that. So that means you need to remove a little over 3m by the open of the season. Then you get his full LTIR value of 4.9m.

BTW...where are the Flyers gonna be when that little scam comes to an end?

I really want a guy like Eberle. ROR for a RW at the mid 20s range is the ideal target but after some of the moves management pulled off this offseason, I question their ability to get full value on their players.

They get the guy they want but I think they over spend on getting them. If they do move ROR, they wont get full value on him and it will eat at my soul
- DDM-Coga

I feel for you. I think they did the right thing with Stastny...he's not a 7m player. But being right doesn't always help the on-ice product.

Sometimes it's best to just lock a guy up early and take your chances the contract is appropriate. They gave Varly, Duchene and Landeskog big RFA deals but they play hardball with ROR?

Also, NHLPA doesn't like when players take home town discount to play in there city.

I think it is absurd canadians players don't want ti play in Canada.

How can a league work when all players want to play for LA or SJ or Ana?
- soad_live

Answer to your question: Salary Cap

I feel for you. I think they did the right thing with Stastny...he's not a 7m player. But being right doesn't always help the on-ice product.

Sometimes it's best to just lock a guy up early and take your chances the contract is appropriate. They gave Varly, Duchene and Landeskog big RFA deals but they play hardball with ROR?
- djamon

I am ok with no paying Stastny that money and moving on, it will be for the best in th end. Just people look at his pocession numbers, how bad the Avs were as a team in that category, and call it a bad move to let him walk. Stastny had 2 good seasons out of his 6 year deal that he just came out of. We remember the bad as well as the good that he brought. I wanted him back but for a 3rd line price since in 2 years thast what he will be, our 3rd line C

Duchene did a bridge deal, 2 year 7m, and he earned that big contract extention. Varly was a big shocking but 5.6m vs 6m for Schneider right now. I think they got him locked down for a very good deal going forward.

They trided to get ROR to sign the same bridge deal as duchene before the offersheet btu he out produced him that season (duchene was hurt) so he sat out. Now they want to pay him the same or slightly less than Dutch again.

Its a tough call, Duchene is being a team guy and taking the discounts, bridges, etc to help the team now and in the future. ROR knows whats hes worth and I dont think is willing to sacrafice it this time around

I absolutely cannot imagine anyone sees his worth at 8mil per season (if i'm wrong come contract time, I'll heat my hat). He's a good player, but he's still working out kinks in his game. If he feels his value is that high, he'll sign a bridge deal at 6.5-7mil per for 2 years and then cash in.

I think these figures are a little exaggerated.
- sensano

I agree with everything you say, but I'm more pessimistic that he will ask for more.

That's ridiculous. He's not in the Kessel/Perry/Getzlaf or Giroux class. Not even close. If he says he wants that trade him to some other sucker and use the money on a better player.
- djamon

I agree with what you're saying about Ryan, but one of these names looks out of place to me.

I am ok with no paying Stastny that money and moving on, it will be for the best in th end. Just people look at his pocession numbers, how bad the Avs were as a team in that category, and call it a bad move to let him walk. Stastny had 2 good seasons out of his 6 year deal that he just came out of. We remember the bad as well as the good that he brought. I wanted him back but for a 3rd line price since in 2 years thast what he will be, our 3rd line C

Duchene did a bridge deal, 2 year 7m, and he earned that big contract extention. Varly was a big shocking but 5.6m vs 6m for Schneider right now. I think they got him locked down for a very good deal going forward.

They trided to get ROR to sign the same bridge deal as duchene before the offersheet btu he out produced him that season (duchene was hurt) so he sat out. Now they want to pay him the same or slightly less than Dutch again.

Its a tough call, Duchene is being a team guy and taking the discounts, bridges, etc to help the team now and in the future. ROR knows whats hes worth and I dont think is willing to sacrafice it this time around
- DDM-Coga

Yeah, the OS maybe prevented him from taking the bridge deal. We may never know. BTW...Duchene was still an RFA when he got his big deal.

That's the thing with the early deals...the Varly one looked a little crazy at the time, it was a huge gamble. But if he puts together another great year then he's a bargain and it looks fantastic.

I don't believe any player should feel obligated take a "hometown" discount. Not because another player did it, not because you're building something great. It's a business...both sides know that.

I agree with what you're saying about Ryan, but one of these names looks out of place to me.
- forbetterorWORSE

I chose 4 guys who are making around 8m on recently signed deals. Each of those players is far superior to Bobby Ryan, who couldn't even crack the US Olympic team.

I chose 4 guys who are making around 8m on recently signed deals. Each of those players is far superior to Bobby Ryan, who couldn't even crack the US Olympic team.
- djamon

...because he had a herniated disc in his back last season. Don't crack wise on back injuries, it isn't nice and just adds to the lumbar we have to flame the leafs boards...

I agree with what you're saying about Ryan, but one of these names looks out of place to me.
- forbetterorWORSE

Oh come on man. Kessel is arguably the best player of the four mentioned, and top 5 league-wide. He's absurdly talented, works his ass off, skates like the wind, his backchecking has vastly improved, he controls possession and his teammates love him. I know it's nice to pick on Leafs fans, but do it by talking Bozak, Clarkson, etc.

As for Ryan, It's tough to agree on a dollar value here, because of his injury last year. What is he really worth? 5 - 30 goal seasons and over 20 while injured. $7.5 feels right, but do you go 8 years? I dunno.

...because he had a herniated disc in his back last season. Don't crack wise on back injuries, it isn't nice and just adds to the lumbar we have to flame the leafs boards...
- ahjnkn

That may be true (although isn't it amazing how often a back injury appears when someone's production drops?), but it isn't the reason he was omitted. And you know that.

I chose 4 guys who are making around 8m on recently signed deals. Each of those players is far superior to Bobby Ryan, who couldn't even crack the US Olympic team.
- djamon

Kessel is better than Ryan yes, but far superior?? Don't be ridiculous, Kessel doesn't belong in the same breath as Perry and Getzlaf. Hes overpaid too.

...because he had a herniated disc in his back last season. Don't crack wise on back injuries, it isn't nice and just adds to the lumbar we have to flame the leafs boards...
- ahjnkn

Sports hernia.

That may be true (although isn't it amazing how often a back injury appears when someone's production drops?), but it isn't the reason he was omitted. And you know that.
- djamon

Kessel did Jack Squat when it mattered so maybe he should of been left off too.

Cap will go up, free agent market by time most re-sign will be epically thin again.

7.5-8.5 aav is my guess as far as BR9 is concerned. And while BR9 is basically Mike Cammalleri, he's going to get a big overpayment

Kessel did Jack Squat when it mattered so maybe he should of been left off too.
- forbetterorWORSE

Scored vs Boston in playoffs (his demon) top forward voted in the Olympics....sure, keep telling yourself that.

I agree with everything you say, but I'm more pessimistic that he will ask for more.
- forbetterorWORSE

He will.

Toews and Kane got $10.5m. Subban will get $10m. The financial order has been upended. $6.5m is now $8.5. Ryan will get $8.0 or more wherever he plays. Not many teams have the cap space to do that deal for next year unless they move salary.

Scored vs Boston in playoffs (his demon) top forward voted in the Olympics....sure, keep telling yourself that.
- jerseyleaf

Excellent examples, a series he didn't win, and a tournament where he didn't show up when facing elimination.

Kessel is better than Ryan yes, but far superior?? Don't be ridiculous, Kessel doesn't belong in the same breath as Perry and Getzlaf. Hes overpaid too.
- forbetterorWORSE

Kessel is better and he's making 8m. Whether you think he's overpaid or not is irrelevant, if he's the benchmark Bobby Ryan will try to use in negotiations then he can't really ask for "north of 8m a year"...can he?

I agree with your assessment of his value, but UFA's do not sign bridge deals. Bridge deals are deals that are designed to bridge a player from his RFA to UFA years.
- djamon

Bridge between the period of time where his market value is below what he feels his value is. He will not lock in long term for less than what he feels he could make.

For example, after last year, Ryan's value is lower than it could be. If he were negotiating a contract, he wouldn't go long-term based on value established last year. He would do short term, with the intent of playing lights out and then cashing in long term.

If that's not what a bridge contract is, I'm sorry - whatever they call it, that's what I mean.