Are you talking about trading Patrick Kane or E Kane after we trade for E Kane?

I would expect around 3 first round picks, Meyers, and two top prospects or young NHL players for P Kane.

Plus, with your trade proposal, the Hawks would still be in cap hell with less players. Don't expect any depth outside our top 6. Also, get ready for the Rockford 8 (If we trade P Kane.
- BearsnHawks

e. Kane. We don't want that wreck in our locker room

Do you expect teams to just give away top 10 talent in the league, at the age of 25?

If Kesler gets a 1st, top 6 forward (who is young), and a fringe NHL ready young defender and Spezza, who has 1 year left on his contract and old, gets chiason, 2 prospects and a 2nd round pick, why dont you think Kane wouldn't get a great return?
- BearsnHawks

what is Kanes cap hit? That would come with the trade so you gotta factor those things in. If Kane loses it over the next few years (which is unlikely of course) he could theoretically be traded for something like a third round pick with Chicago maybe having to retain some of his salary.

You have to answer this: do you feel convinced that your projection of Myers is much higher than Leddy?

Your idea could happen and be sensible in a fantasy tabletop card hockey game but Bowman making such bold moves is not his style to date (emphasis to date).
- jhawk59

bing, Calder, 2x Norris nom, scores a few goals gets a few assists, gives us tuffness and size, shores up D further, gets rid of dead weight and people q has zero confidence in. Saves us $9m in cap, takes back 5.5m. ewe come in under the cap with money to bring in rookies on F.

Unless Stan wants to fiddle with the salary cap and keep both Leddy and Oduya for one more year. Then I might expect some team would decide that Rosy is veteran insurance should one of their youngsters on the back end be causing their GM to pause and question if that kid is ready for the NHL challenge. It is maybe at the end of training camp that another team would take a one year contract in Rosival off our hands, even if we paid half the salary hit. Every little bit subtracted from the current salary cap hit does helps Bowman.

I wish I could say the same applies to Versteeg. Maybe once the season is half over and Versteeg has performed like the old Versteeg, he could be parlayed for a middle round draft choice. A Rockford prospect could replace him; the prospect may be ready and would be full of energy each game. Would be an adequate replacement for Versteeg.

Well just a scenario that could unfold. Who knows what Bowman's plans are. Fans are just grasping at straws trying to guess. Might have to wait longer than immediately after the fan convention for an answer.
- jhawk59

Yeah I bet it will be awhile. But the closer it gets to the season teams will really see how desperate we are to get under the cap for just this year. I think they should do something sooner rather than later

what is Kanes cap hit? That would come with the trade so you gotta factor those things in. If Kane loses it over the next few years (which is unlikely of course) he could theoretically be traded for something like a third round pick with Chicago maybe having to retain some of his salary.
- dprice818

No offense but what is your point?

They were discussing value now. Cap hit is not an issue to every team. A team like the Sabres would gladly pay his salary. He is a premier player in the prime of his career. Would he bring twice the package Kesler brought? Kesler is 30 with 2 years on his deal. Kane 25 with 8 years on his.

I think Kane got an NMC in this new deal anyways so I guess we are cursed with Kane and Toews for 8 years.

BTW, who is Anze Kopitar's agent? I see him going for T/K money and settling a little lower.

Best move Lombardi made. Not buying out Carter and signing Quick thru 2023. Quick will eventually have a problem with that IMO. Quick, Carter and Doughty all signed through 2022.

Of course, if anyone of them "loses it" in the next few years you will theoretically have to take something like a 3rd round pick for them.

And one of the - if not THE - best non-center defensive players in NBA history, on-ball and off-ball - mainly when they "couldn't" play zone.
- StLBravesFan

Even calling him that sells Pippen short, Sage. Pippen was in effect the point guard of that offense.

The term "point forward" was coined because of Pippen's ability to run the offense.

Hell yeah, id take that.
- BlazinMike

McNeil will be better than Smith. He is a much better skater to begin with. Also, already understands the defensive end of the ice.

Maybe the Hawks should look at moving Crawford and his 6mil.

No offense but what is your point?

They were discussing value now. Cap hit is not an issue to every team. A team like the Sabres would gladly pay his salary. He is a premier player in the prime of his career. Would he bring twice the package Kesler brought? Kesler is 30 with 2 years on his deal. Kane 25 with 8 years on his.

I think Kane got an NMC in this new deal anyways so I guess we are cursed with Kane and Toews for 8 years.

BTW, who is Anze Kopitar's agent? I see him going for T/K money and settling a little lower.

Best move Lombardi made. Not buying out Carter and signing Quick thru 2023. Quick will eventually have a problem with that IMO. Quick, Carter and Doughty all signed through 2022.

Of course, if anyone of them "loses it" in the next few years you will theoretically have to take something like a 3rd round pick for them.




- tredbrta

The cap hit is my point. His trade value is lower because of his massive cap hit

No offense but what is your point?

They were discussing value now. Cap hit is not an issue to every team. A team like the Sabres would gladly pay his salary. He is a premier player in the prime of his career. Would he bring twice the package Kesler brought? Kesler is 30 with 2 years on his deal. Kane 25 with 8 years on his.

I think Kane got an NMC in this new deal anyways so I guess we are cursed with Kane and Toews for 8 years.

BTW, who is Anze Kopitar's agent? I see him going for T/K money and settling a little lower.

Best move Lombardi made. Not buying out Carter and signing Quick thru 2023. Quick will eventually have a problem with that IMO. Quick, Carter and Doughty all signed through 2022.

Of course, if anyone of them "loses it" in the next few years you will theoretically have to take something like a 3rd round pick for them.




- tredbrta

The cap hit is my point. His trade value is lower because of his massive cap hit

The cap hit is my point. His trade value is lower because of his massive cap hit
- dprice818

his cap hit will be more than manageable in 2-4 years

what is Kanes cap hit? That would come with the trade so you gotta factor those things in. If Kane loses it over the next few years (which is unlikely of course) he could theoretically be traded for something like a third round pick with Chicago maybe having to retain some of his salary.
- dprice818

What was Spezzas cap hit? Ya, 7 million. Not buying a franchise changing type of player, who is 25, being a hinderence for 3.5 mill more per season. Especially when bumbs like Bolland are given 5+ million/season.

bing, Calder, 2x Norris nom, scores a few goals gets a few assists, gives us tuffness and size, shores up D further, gets rid of dead weight and people q has zero confidence in. Saves us $9m in cap, takes back 5.5m. ewe come in under the cap with money to bring in rookies on F.
- fvineze

I think Q would have little confidence in this guy.... For being so big he doesn't hit that often nor is he consistent on the defensive end.

The cap hit is my point. His trade value is lower because of his massive cap hit
- dprice818

Did Malkin or Crosby or Ovechkin have lower value when they signed their contracts? I think any team would give away a lot of top assets for any of those players when they first signed their big contracts.

Maybe the Hawks should look at moving Crawford and his 6mil.
- jhawk159

good luck with that

I hope you guys hang around for the inevitable backlash from some on this board. Trading Kane—if you set aside all the marketing and fan expectations—is an option. for some reason, a lot of Hawk fans have always assumed you couldn't get equal or greater value back—which is nonsense.

But this FO invests heavily in its stars, not just in salary but in building the team brand and multi-million dollar advertising expenditures.
- John Jaeckel

Thank goodness for that Keith deal.

My take is that the Hawks have 3-4 years here (depending on hossas management) to hit the jackpot two more times. Then they're a just as good as anyone for maybe two unless they hit the lottery on a few picks and don't get boned with silly contracts

4 Cups in 10 years would be pretty legit. When Keith and Hossas age are blatantly obvious I don't think moving anyone is out of order. Unless someone really steps up to fill those shoes.

Otherwise its time to suck for a few years and rebuild.

Thanks for that, man. I haven't laughed like that in a long time.
- djamon

So what do you think Kessel would net the Leafs?

Can people stop comparing Toews/Kane's deals with players that were signed during times that were completely different economically than now? Crosby and Ovechkin should obviously be out as comparables because they were prior to the new CBA, and Getzalf and Perry signed when their contract would hit a year after the cap went down. The cap could be $7-10m more when T/K's contracts kick in than when G/P's did.

Malkin is the closest comparable in terms of timing and a million dollars is a reasonable increase a year later. Compared to G/P, 2 years later, they're worth about $2m more. It's pretty simple math, really. Toews/Kane are setting a new standard, and the likes of Stamkos and Tavares deals are going to be even bigger. It's just what happens when a sport is successful.

My take is that the Hawks have 3-4 years here (depending on hossas management) to hit the jackpot two more times. Then they're a just as good as anyone for maybe two unless they hit the lottery on a few picks and don't get boned with silly contracts

4 Cups in 10 years would be pretty legit. When Keith and Hossas age are blatantly obvious I don't think moving anyone is out of order. Unless someone really steps up to fill those shoes.

Otherwise its time to suck for a few years and rebuild.
- fattybeef

I don't get why they'd ever need to rebuild during the Toews/Kane/Keith tenure as Hawks, to be quite honest. Retool ala summer of 2010, maybe, but no build. If Hossa is good for another 3-4 years of elite play, and our prospect pool is considered one of the best in the league, the Hawks can just keep infusing the team with young guys while also making savvy trades/signings. Now, there might be some growing pain after next year, but the future is looking pretty solid with the Bowmans at the helm.

Did Malkin or Crosby or Ovechkin have lower value when they signed their contracts? I think any team would give away a lot of top assets for any of those players when they first signed their big contracts.
- BearsnHawks

no offense my point was just that if kane had been signed for 4 million a year at 10 years Chicago could command a bunch more for him

no offense my point was just that if kane had been signed for 4 million a year at 10 years Chicago could command a bunch more for him
- dprice818

I get your point. I think an argument could actually be made that Toews was slightly underpaid and Kane was slightly overpaid given what both bring to the Hawks........

******ducks and covers******

Thanks. I assume any trade of Sharp bringing back real value would include pieces like Leddy or a prospect being packaged with him. I still think the best possibilities would be Montreal or the Islanders... maybe Tallon. Eller or Nielsen would be logical pieces back and both the Isles and Habs need scoring on that wing. Tallon has said he wants a scoring wing but what does he (or anyone) give up now that this is seen as a mandatory move by the Hawks?

This is why I think this rumored front office by committee resultin in indecision may have finally burned them. Bowman should have moved Sharp before the draft. He may have had pieces to bring Kesler in or simply avoided a trade from weakness scenario.

Another problem. Q is not cooperating with the 2-3 prospects a year plan. This year he will have to. Let's see if it works out.
- tredbrta

This. Big time. Spoken like a wise man.

Do you expect teams to just give away top 10 talent in the league, at the age of 25?

If Kesler gets a 1st, top 6 forward (who is young), and a fringe NHL ready young defender and Spezza, who has 1 year left on his contract and old, gets chiason, 2 prospects and a 2nd round pick, why dont you think Kane wouldn't get a great return?
- BearsnHawks

Top 10 talent? Maybe. Top 10 player? Only in Hawk's fans minds. I know he's being paid like an elite player, and he does have a great track record of producing in the Playoffs, but he's just not. He takes way too many games off and only plays in one zone to be considered elite.

Toews is overpaid by a little...Kane by a LOT.

No physical presence. Regular season is long and is still hockey