Why would the Hawks be interested in a guy who is a HUGE reclamation project when all their organizational depth that is deemed NHL ready seems to be on defense, and those guys are blocked by 5 guys right now.....6 if you include old man Rozsival.

Doesn't make sense.
- SteveRain

Maybe only 4 or 3 blockers, depending on what happens with Leddy and Oduya.

"Dumping" Roszival alone doesn't get you below the cap (unless you don't replace him on the roster, I think).

Loose association on my part to be sure.

EDIT: I see you went and looked up the trade.
- Beaver-Warrior

Of course I looked it up - I take no credit for having any kind of memory.

Does Sharp + Leddy +prospect get Tyler Myers? do the Hawks really want him?

He is a monster who can skate and has as good or better offensive instincts as Leddy and was somehow a + player on the Sabres prior to this season...and he's 6'8'!! think of the size on Hawks blue line in a few years if Svedberg ever pans out..Seabs, Myers, Hammer, Johns, Svedberg, Dahlbeck....some muscle back there that the Hawks havent had in recent years
- EnzoD

I wouldnt hold your breath on Myers being physical either.

Maybe only 4 or 3 blockers, depending on what happens with Leddy and Oduya.

"Dumping" Roszival alone doesn't get you below the cap (unless you don't replace him on the roster, I think).
- StLBravesFan

Send TT down, trade Roszy, and bring up Dahlbeck gives the hawks 22 rostered players and they have a little bit more than 250k in cap space. Have Dahlbeck be on the Rockford shuffle and hawks could probably save a little more (hopefully enough to negate any performance bonuses).

Send TT down, trade Roszy, and bring up Dahlbeck gives the hawks 22 rostered players and they have a little bit more than 250k in cap space. Have Dahlbeck be on the Rockford shuffle and hawks could probably save a little more (hopefully enough to negate any performance bonuses).
- BearsnHawks

You're forgetting Stephen Johns...

My hunch is he's on the opening night roster.

You're forgetting Stephen Johns...

My hunch is he's on the opening night roster.
- ArlingtonRob

Why would Stephen Johns be on the opening night roster?

Clendening isn't ready yet? 2 ahl all star appearances. Seems like he's ready now?

someone have a .gif of a shoe waiting to drop? Been too quiet for the last week plus with the team sitting $3m over the cap. sumtin's gots ta gives.

Why would Stephen Johns be on the opening night roster?
- BlazinMike

Hunch...

...many say he's likely ready, he's cheap, and he signed with the Hawks when he could've gone to free agency. Unless he poops the bed, my hunch is he's on the roster opening night.

someone have a .gif of a shoe waiting to drop? Been too quiet for the last week plus with the team sitting $3m over the cap. sumtin's gots ta gives.
- Cmonalready

My guess...later this summer, after the convention.

It'll be interesting to see if anyone prominent is missing at the convention.

I'll play for the Hawks for the league minimum.

I think I'd want a little more in return.

Kane is one of the premiere players in the league, is only 25 years old (still has plenty of time in his prime), has two cups, and is essentially a lock for around 30 goals and 50 assists (with a legitimate center he'd do even better).


The return (at least in my opinion) would have to be a top-six star, a top-six forward, a very good prospect, and two 1st round picks.

(i.e if we were to trade with the Oilers, I'd want Eberle, Yakupov, Klefbom, and 2 firsts.)

Maybe I'm asking for too much, but players like Kane don't grow on trees!
- TommyHawk

Thanks for that, man. I haven't laughed like that in a long time.

I'll play for the Hawks for the league minimum.
- Grinder6

Good, the Hawks could use some grinders.

You're forgetting Stephen Johns...

My hunch is he's on the opening night roster.
- ArlingtonRob

I like him, but i do believe he will spend 1/2-1 season in Rockford (unless some crazy stuff happens in training camp/preseason).

Clendening isn't ready yet? 2 ahl all star appearances. Seems like he's ready now?
- Just5

Q goes for defensemen that are defensively responsible (Leddy has been on a short leash, his entire NHL career because of that) and the best options, for that, would be Dahlbeck or Johns.

I may be wrong, and he has great offensive upside, but I don't see Clendening fitting with Q's style (much like Pirri) and see him being traded this year.

Thanks for that, man. I haven't laughed like that in a long time.
- djamon

Elite price for an elite talent.

And Sharp is not an asset Murray will be interested in unless he thinks he can move him for more or has a 3 party trade set up.

Respectfully disagree on Myers. He spiraled down after the contract (which was an overpay) BUT last year was not his worst. He showed serious flashes after Nolan came back - particularly after the Olympics.

The reason the Wings are chasing him is upside. If he gets it together he could be dominant. Being mentored by Q and on a team with Keith, Hammer and Seabs certainly couldn't hurt.
- tredbrta

I agree with your reply.

Below is an interesting situation which involves two teams that could decide to make a trade. No way do I know nor have I checked any rumors on this, but there is the E Kane name in the news. Any trade involving E Kane by the Jets should only be made if they get an equally good, or nearly as good young player in return. When you trade a proven young talent, you have the luxury of insisting upon a quality return, or else no deal.

In comparison Chicago has a signed veteran in Sharp. But adding his salary under the cap is difficult for most teams next summer. Therefore his pricetag cannot be anything more than prospects or a draft choice...Something along those lines, maybe a combination of both. Older veterans who can score are desirable, like Inginla whom Wiz recently pointed out. It is just going to be a limited field of suitors whom would even consider a 34 yr old Sharp.

Trading Sharp now after teams have taken some or most of the steps to re- shape their roster for next season, that is not happening. The prevailing attitude on this board of one more Cup run with Sharp is correct. Trying to retain either Oduya and or Leddy is going to be tricky to accomplish. If both are retained, you would think Rosy is not affordable. And Brookbank is not returning on the cheap.

Alright starting to get a little long winded, but the idea of trading a quality young player for an equally or near equal young talent could involve Winnipeg and Philly. Because why? Since the Jets want to rid themselves of a chronic complainer chiefly being that he is a salary headache most each season. Hextall, the.new GM in Philly, might want to put his own stamp on shaping a roster. E Kane could go for a top young center, for example. Whether additional parts would be involved I will not say. I am not actually suggesting or proposing a trade here. Just giving a hypothetical situation and comparing to Sharp situation with Chicago!

But look at the E Kane situation in Winnipeg. Difference between them making a trade and Chicago trading a top talent is the age factor. E Kane:the Jets are nuts to accept anything less than a top player in return. If they have to, there could be some additional parts in the deal that could favor the other team SLIGHTLY. But Kane for a top young player has to be the main part of the deal.

Alright all that said also just to arrive at a conclusion in more detail about Sharp eventual departure: I would not expect a #1 any draft year and at most one good but not great prospect for him. Be the other team's GM. Look at Chicago's position. Why would you give up anything better? Nope, Sharp is valuable for one more Cup.run and not so much for renumeration in a trade afterwards.

Thanks for that, man. I haven't laughed like that in a long time.
- djamon

Do you expect teams to just give away top 10 talent in the league, at the age of 25?

If Kesler gets a 1st, top 6 forward (who is young), and a fringe NHL ready young defender and Spezza, who has 1 year left on his contract and old, gets chiason, 2 prospects and a 2nd round pick, why dont you think Kane wouldn't get a great return?

someone have a .gif of a shoe waiting to drop? Been too quiet for the last week plus with the team sitting $3m over the cap. sumtin's gots ta gives.
- Cmonalready

....right after the schmooze-fest, I mean Blackhawks Convention, Mr. McDonough, this weekend...

My guess...later this summer, after the convention.

It'll be interesting to see if anyone prominent is missing at the convention.
- ArlingtonRob

Yeah I think they wait until after the convention to trade a roster player.

I agree with your reply.

Below is an interesting situation which involves two teams that could decide to make a trade. No way do I know nor have I checked any rumors on this, but there is the E Kane name in the news. Any trade involving E Kane by the Jets should only be made if they get an equally good, or nearly as good young player in return. When you trade a proven young talent, you have the luxury of insisting upon a quality return, or else no deal.

In comparison Chicago has a signed veteran in Sharp. But adding his salary under the cap is difficult for most teams next summer. Therefore his pricetag cannot be anything more than prospects or a draft choice...Something along those lines, maybe a combination of both. Older veterans who can score are desirable, like Inginla whom Wiz recently pointed out. It is just going to be a limited field of suitors whom would even consider a 34 yr old Sharp.

Trading Sharp now after teams have taken some or most of the steps to,re- shape their roster for next season, that is not happening. The prevailing attitude on this board of one more Cup,run with Sharp is correct. Trying to retain either Oduya and or Leddy is going to be tricky to accomplish. If both are retained, you would think Rosy is not affordable. And Brookbank is not returning on the cheap.

Alright starting to,get a little long winded, but the idea of trading a quality young player for an equally or near equal young talent could involve Winnipeg and Philly. Because why? Since the Jets want to rid themselves of a chronic complainer chiefly being that he is a salary headache most each season. Hextall, the.new GM in Philly, might want to put his own stamp on shaping a roster. E Kane could go for a top young center, for example. Whether additional parts would be involved I will not say. I am not actually suggesting or proposing a trade here. Just giving a hypothetical situation and comparing to Sharp situation with Chicago!

But look at the E Kane situation in Winnipeg. Difference between them making a trade and Chicago trading a top talent is the age factor. E Kane:the Jets are nuts to accept anything less than a top player in return. If they have to, there could be some additional parts in the deal that could favor the other team SLIGHTLY. But Kane for a top young player has to be the main part of the deal.

Alright all that said also just to arrive at a conclusion in more detail about Sharp eventual departure: I would not expect a #1 any draft year and at most one good but not great prospect for him. Be the other team's GM. Look at Chicago's position. Why would you give up anything better? Nope, Sharp is valuable for one more Cup.run and not so much for renumeration in a trade afterwards.
- jhawk59

how about several... Bickel, versteeg, and leddy trade for e. Kane. We then trade Kane for Myers

Yeah I think they wait until after the convention to trade a roster player.
- tomcat24

Unless Stan wants to fiddle with the salary cap and keep both Leddy and Oduya for one more year. Then I might expect some team would decide that Rosy is veteran insurance should one of their youngsters on the back end be causing their GM to pause and question if that kid is ready for the NHL challenge. It is maybe at the end of training camp that another team would take a one year contract in Rosival off our hands, even if we paid half the salary hit. Every little bit subtracted from the current salary cap hit does helps Bowman.

I wish I could say the same applies to Versteeg. Maybe once the season is half over and Versteeg has performed like the old Versteeg, he could be parlayed for a middle round draft choice. A Rockford prospect could replace him; the prospect may be ready and would be full of energy each game. Would be an adequate replacement for Versteeg.

Well just a scenario that could unfold. Who knows what Bowman's plans are. Fans are just grasping at straws trying to guess. Might have to wait longer than immediately after the fan convention for an answer.

how about several... Bickel, versteeg, and leddy trade for e. Kane. We then trade Kane for Myers
- fvineze

You have to answer this: do you feel convinced that your projection of Myers is much higher than Leddy?

Your idea could happen and be sensible in a fantasy tabletop card hockey game but Bowman making such bold moves is not his style to date (emphasis to date).

how about several... Bickel, versteeg, and leddy trade for e. Kane. We then trade Kane for Myers
- fvineze

Are you talking about trading Patrick Kane or E Kane after we trade for E Kane?

I would expect around 3 first round picks, Meyers, and two top prospects or young NHL players for P Kane.

Plus, with your trade proposal, the Hawks would still be in cap hell with less players. Don't expect any depth outside our top 6. Also, get ready for the Rockford 8 (If we trade P Kane.

I agree with your reply.

Below is an interesting situation which involves two teams that could decide to make a trade. No way do I know nor have I checked any rumors on this, but there is the E Kane name in the news. Any trade involving E Kane by the Jets should only be made if they get an equally good, or nearly as good young player in return. When you trade a proven young talent, you have the luxury of insisting upon a quality return, or else no deal.

In comparison Chicago has a signed veteran in Sharp. But adding his salary under the cap is difficult for most teams next summer. Therefore his pricetag cannot be anything more than prospects or a draft choice...Something along those lines, maybe a combination of both. Older veterans who can score are desirable, like Inginla whom Wiz recently pointed out. It is just going to be a limited field of suitors whom would even consider a 34 yr old Sharp.

Trading Sharp now after teams have taken some or most of the steps to,re- shape their roster for next season, that is not happening. The prevailing attitude on this board of one more Cup,run with Sharp is correct. Trying to retain either Oduya and or Leddy is going to be tricky to accomplish. If both are retained, you would think Rosy is not affordable. And Brookbank is not returning on the cheap.

Alright starting to,get a little long winded, but the idea of trading a quality young player for an equally or near equal young talent could involve Winnipeg and Philly. Because why? Since the Jets want to rid themselves of a chronic complainer chiefly being that he is a salary headache most each season. Hextall, the.new GM in Philly, might want to put his own stamp on shaping a roster. E Kane could go for a top young center, for example. Whether additional parts would be involved I will not say. I am not actually suggesting or proposing a trade here. Just giving a hypothetical situation and comparing to Sharp situation with Chicago!

But look at the E Kane situation in Winnipeg. Difference between them making a trade and Chicago trading a top talent is the age factor. E Kane:the Jets are nuts to accept anything less than a top player in return. If they have to, there could be some additional parts in the deal that could favor the other team SLIGHTLY. But Kane for a top young player has to be the main part of the deal.

Alright all that said also just to arrive at a conclusion in more detail about Sharp eventual departure: I would not expect a #1 any draft year and at most one good but not great prospect for him. Be the other team's GM. Look at Chicago's position. Why would you give up anything better? Nope, Sharp is valuable for one more Cup.run and not so much for renumeration in a trade afterwards.
- jhawk59

Thanks. I assume any trade of Sharp bringing back real value would include pieces like Leddy or a prospect being packaged with him. I still think the best possibilities would be Montreal or the Islanders... maybe Tallon. Eller or Nielsen would be logical pieces back and both the Isles and Habs need scoring on that wing. Tallon has said he wants a scoring wing but what does he (or anyone) give up now that this is seen as a mandatory move by the Hawks?

This is why I think this rumored front office by committee resultin in indecision may have finally burned them. Bowman should have moved Sharp before the draft. He may have had pieces to bring Kesler in or simply avoided a trade from weakness scenario.

Another problem. Q is not cooperating with the 2-3 prospects a year plan. This year he will have to. Let's see if it works out.