That's my point, Bucks trade a hof'er for a whole lot of nothing. Chances are IF Kaner got traded, odds are that's what the Hawks would get in return. A whole lot of nothing.
- Beaver-Warrior

But apart from the fact that (in the NBA) you can't get value for a franchise super-star, Jabbar forced the trade by saying he wanted to go to NY or LA.

The deal was: Jabbar for: Elmore Smith, guard Brian Winters, and rookie Dave Meyers and Junior Bridgman.

Does Sharp + Leddy +prospect get Tyler Myers? do the Hawks really want him?

He is a monster who can skate and has as good or better offensive instincts as Leddy and was somehow a + player on the Sabres prior to this season...and he's 6'8'!! think of the size on Hawks blue line in a few years if Svedberg ever pans out..Seabs, Myers, Hammer, Johns, Svedberg, Dahlbeck....some muscle back there that the Hawks havent had in recent years

yeah he we go again...another gutting of the team period. I mean if the cap doesnt go up significantly we are screwed again.
- imissroenick

The cap will rise and the T&K deals will be pricey but fine...

...and wouldn't the Hawks be "screwed" if they had to launch T&K and go forward without them?

I'd rather go forward with T&K being paid top dollar, than with cap space and T&K winning cups with other clubs....and still making 10M a year.

Does Sharp + Leddy +prospect get Tyler Myers? do the Hawks really want him?

He is a monster who can skate and has as good or better offensive instincts as Leddy and was somehow a + player on the Sabres prior to this season...and he's 6'8'!! think of the size on Hawks blue line in a few years if Svedberg ever pans out..Seabs, Myers, Hammer, Johns, Svedberg, Dahlbeck....some muscle back there that the Hawks havent had in recent years
- EnzoD

I wouldn't hold your breath waiting for Svedberg to pan out...

But apart from the fact that (in the NBA) you can't get value for a franchise super-star, Jabbar forced the trade by saying he wanted to go to NY or LA.

The deal was: Jabbar for: Elmore Smith, guard Brian Winters, and rookie Dave Meyers and Junior Bridgman.
- StLBravesFan

Loose association on my part to be sure.

EDIT: I see you went and looked up the trade.

Does Sharp + Leddy +prospect get Tyler Myers? do the Hawks really want him?

He is a monster who can skate and has as good or better offensive instincts as Leddy and was somehow a + player on the Sabres prior to this season...and he's 6'8'!! think of the size on Hawks blue line in a few years if Svedberg ever pans out..Seabs, Myers, Hammer, Johns, Svedberg, Dahlbeck....some muscle back there that the Hawks havent had in recent years
- EnzoD

Huge Overpay.

I wouldn't hold your breath waiting for Svedberg to pan out...
- EKolb13

even so, Myers would be a big upgrade from Leddy. Who knows what this kid is capable of playing on a 2nd pair with less responsibility and less scrutiny not to mention an exponentially better supporting cast around him....I think that Stan should be on the phones with EVERY SINGLE NHL GM trying to make a big trade to both shed salary and improve the team going forward. Sure that 2nd part is tough to do, but gaining a giant, mobile, 2way dman that is only 24 would be a heck of a get for StanBo both now and in the future

yeah, anyone can be traded. That includes Keith and/or Toews. However, logically speaking, I don't see Toews, Kane, or Keith going anywhere at any time unless there is a financial crisis OR the Hawks get some crazy deal for 1 of them. Those are your 3 locked in stone untouchables.

As far as cap hell goes....well.....I'm not going to cry or lose sleep over it. Bowman can fine tune it and go for it this year with basically the same team OR he can move 1 large salaried player and start preparing for 2-3 years down the road. My guess is, is that he fines tune and finds a taker for Rozsival.

I would believe Versteeg and Bickell have this year to prove themselves in a bounce back situation or else Versteeg will probably be gone AND Bickell COULD be gone. Yeah, his contract may be a steal, but that's still 4 million devoted to 1 guy who hasn't shown the ability to be consistent in the regular season. Hawks need more return on their investment outside of 10 playoff games.

Until THE trade goes down, I'm going to take a little vacation. Debating over and over and over again the same crap is insane and it's just THAT time of the year when there isn't a helluva lot going on. See you all soon.

Huge Overpay.
- TheTrob

maybe in the minds of some Hawk fans but I would bet that Buffalo would hang up the phone if the Hawks offered anything less for their "franchise defenseman"

Kevin Dineen to replace Kompon. Former Q teammate. Shocker. That's per espn.


He had a lot of success coaching the women's Olympic team and has prior HC experience. Could turn out to be a good guy to have behind the bench.
- z1990z

kampon - the anti special teams guy.........I dont know why his teams do well as a whole, while his special teams numbers are always anything but special.

Why would the Hawks be interested in a guy who is a HUGE reclamation project when all their organizational depth that is deemed NHL ready seems to be on defense, and those guys are blocked by 5 guys right now.....6 if you include old man Rozsival.

Doesn't make sense.

The cap will rise and the T&K deals will be pricey but fine...

...and wouldn't the Hawks be "screwed" if they had to launch T&K and go forward without them?

I'd rather go forward with T&K being paid top dollar, than with cap space and T&K winning cups with other clubs....and still making 10M a year.
- ArlingtonRob

Like Rob states they're going to be fine...actually these deals will look pretty darn good as we go along here. Wait until guys like Stamkos and Kopitar start looking at their next deals...T&K have paved the way here for other players...

Why would the Hawks be interested in a guy who is a HUGE reclamation project when all their organizational depth that is deemed NHL ready seems to be on defense, and those guys are blocked by 5 guys right now.....6 if you include old man Rozsival.

Doesn't make sense.
- SteveRain

Because Eklund said so

maybe in the minds of some Hawk fans but I would bet that Buffalo would hang up the phone if the Hawks offered anything less for their "franchise defenseman"
- EnzoD

In the Minds of just about any educated Hockey fan, hawks fan or not. Myers had a good rookie season and has gone downhill each season since. In addition he has not been able to stay healthy for a full season. His rookie season was his best offensively, and he was a +13, since that season he has been 0, +5, -8 and -26, with declining offensive numbers each season. Yes Buffalo has stunk, but so has Myers for long stretches. He is WAY overpaid at 5.8 million. He is by no means a solid 2 way player. He struggles in his own end on top of not always being defensively responsible. Yes, he is 6'8" and only 24, so there is still time, but while he may be being paid like their franchise defensemen, he is far from actually being one.

Also, why would the Hawks give up Sharp, Leddy AND a prospect for Myers, regardless of what Eklund may be reporting?

In the Minds of just about any educated Hockey fan, hawks fan or not. Myers had a good rookie season and has gone downhill each season since. In addition he has not been able to stay healthy for a full season. His rookie season was his best offensively, and he was a +13, since that season he has been 0, +5, -8 and -26, with declining offensive numbers each season. Yes Buffalo has stunk, but so has Myers for long stretches. He is WAY overpaid at 5.8 million. He is by no means a solid 2 way player. He struggles in his own end on top of not always being defensively responsible. Yes, he is 6'8" and only 24, so there is still time, but while he may be being paid like their franchise defensemen, he is far from actually being one.

Also, why would the Hawks give up Sharp, Leddy AND a prospect for Myers, regardless of what Eklund may be reporting?
- TheTrob

They would have to include a high salary player like Sharp to bring in Myers 5.8mil cap hit. I agree with most of your assessment of Myers and yes he is not quite a "franchise defenseman" yet but his contract will be more than fair in a couple years given what borderline top 4 dmen are being paid (orpik @ 5.75mil). Sharp is going to have to go whether its this summer or next. I figure that getting a 6'8" dman that is 24 and has 50+ point potential would be a good return for a 33 yr old scoring winger that has probably already peaked...

Lot of good chatter today. Sucks we can't bring in anything but prospects for sharp, but it's worth it knowing Kane and toews are hawks for the better of their careers. Hammer will never move. If versteeg and sharp are moved and we can bring in possibly a solid bottom six guy, I think we are alright. Anxious to see the reports at the end of rookie camp to see what forwards and the TT progression as well. Back on the ice tonight for my first game since chemo therapy. Look forward to October when the NHL is back, cubs baseball isn't doing it for me.

McNeill, at this point, does everything well and trains hard but there is no 'wow' factor. To his benefit, Mark looks like he could be a bigger Ben Smith.
- KingB

Hell yeah, id take that.

Lot of good chatter today. Sucks we can't bring in anything but prospects for sharp, but it's worth it knowing Kane and toews are hawks for the better of their careers. Hammer will never move. If versteeg and sharp are moved and we can bring in possibly a solid bottom six guy, I think we are alright. Anxious to see the reports at the end of rookie camp to see what forwards and the TT progression as well. Back on the ice tonight for my first game since chemo therapy. Look forward to October when the NHL is back, cubs baseball isn't doing it for me.
- nickmo2699

off season for hockey nuts is a long one. Had to watch the prospect interviews on the Hawks website. From what I saw we do have some big dudes in the system. Every interview installed the "could this be the guy" feeling and the short on ice sequences were like a fix to this Hawk junky.

They would have to include a high salary player like Sharp to bring in Myers 5.8mil cap hit. I agree with most of your assessment of Myers and yes he is not quite a "franchise defenseman" yet but his contract will be more than fair in a couple years given what borderline top 4 dmen are being paid (orpik @ 5.75mil). Sharp is going to have to go whether its this summer or next. I figure that getting a 6'8" dman that is 24 and has 50+ point potential would be a good return for a 33 yr old scoring winger that has probably already peaked...
- EnzoD

That's why it's a non-starter. If Sharp goes it is for the purpose of getting some cap relief, not to replace him with a similar salary. If you are swapping him straight-up for someone, Myers is NOT that person. Sharp >>> Myers. Sharp+Leddy+Prospect>>>>>>>>>>>Myers.

He's about 1.5 million better than Bergeron, meaning I value Toews at about 8 million

As example, If I had 12 million to spend I'd rather have

Toews and 4 million in caps space
Then
Bergeron and 5.5 million in cap space
Then
Toews and 1.5 million in cap space

Cap space is a factor in evaluating talent in a cap system

Bergeron and 5.5 million > Toews and 1.5 million
- RoloTahmasee

Why use Bergeron as a comp? Bergeron signed too low. His contract is an anomaly. Better comps would be Getzlaf/Perry, Malkin/Crosby.... Stastny at $7m per is better than Bergeron or where Kreji signs eventually (he probably wants Stastny money).

Toews and Kane signed above market set by G/P but below their UFA value by a wide margin. As long as the cap increases the Hawks are OK. If not, problems. In either case moves need to be made so they have cap flex.

See where Stamkos signs next year or the following (if he goes UFA). That, plus K/Ts deal will be the market for tier 1 players in their prime.

Lot of good chatter today. Sucks we can't bring in anything but prospects for sharp, but it's worth it knowing Kane and toews are hawks for the better of their careers. Hammer will never move. If versteeg and sharp are moved and we can bring in possibly a solid bottom six guy, I think we are alright. Anxious to see the reports at the end of rookie camp to see what forwards and the TT progression as well. Back on the ice tonight for my first game since chemo therapy. Look forward to October when the NHL is back, cubs baseball isn't doing it for me.
- nickmo2699

That's why you want prospects back. Hawks have at least 7 top 6 guys with maybe another, TT, a year or two away. Hossa is more productive overall than Sharp, as he plays defense and PK. So moving Sharp, also your oldest forward after Hossa, for picks and prospects nets you $6m in cap space, and his offense is replaceable between Richards and potentially the evolution of Saad.

The if is when Sharp goes. Do they make 1 more run this season with him, or move him now.

Back on the ice tonight for my first game since chemo therapy.
- nickmo2699

God bless you young man, and enjoy your skate...........

In the Minds of just about any educated Hockey fan, hawks fan or not. Myers had a good rookie season and has gone downhill each season since. In addition he has not been able to stay healthy for a full season. His rookie season was his best offensively, and he was a +13, since that season he has been 0, +5, -8 and -26, with declining offensive numbers each season. Yes Buffalo has stunk, but so has Myers for long stretches. He is WAY overpaid at 5.8 million. He is by no means a solid 2 way player. He struggles in his own end on top of not always being defensively responsible. Yes, he is 6'8" and only 24, so there is still time, but while he may be being paid like their franchise defensemen, he is far from actually being one.

Also, why would the Hawks give up Sharp, Leddy AND a prospect for Myers, regardless of what Eklund may be reporting?
- TheTrob

And Sharp is not an asset Murray will be interested in unless he thinks he can move him for more or has a 3 party trade set up.

Respectfully disagree on Myers. He spiraled down after the contract (which was an overpay) BUT last year was not his worst. He showed serious flashes after Nolan came back - particularly after the Olympics.

The reason the Wings are chasing him is upside. If he gets it together he could be dominant. Being mentored by Q and on a team with Keith, Hammer and Seabs certainly couldn't hurt.

That's why it's a non-starter. If Sharp goes it is for the purpose of getting some cap relief, not to replace him with a similar salary. If you are swapping him straight-up for someone, Myers is NOT that person. Sharp >>> Myers. Sharp+Leddy+Prospect>>>>>>>>>>>Myers.
- TheTrob

The Hawks still have to clear approximately $3 million in cap space somehow...

I wouldn't hold your breath waiting for Svedberg to pan out...
- EKolb13

He bad?

Funny how you hear things about these kids leading into the season and then it's crickets.