Would a Seabrook for Myers deal be a possibility? Blasphamy i know. Gains a younger big body dman on smaller cap hit, throw in versteeg. Roszival and Sharp would never waive their nmc for buffalo imo. Not sure if the Sabres would do it but would like something along the lines of versteeg, seabrook, leddy for myers, hackett and a 2nd. Sign prosser for 3rd pairing and bring brookbank back as #7. Just a thought on a stormy Florida day

- ikeane[url]

How did Myers get so good, on this board?? He is not that good!!! We all hate on Leddy as a #5 defensemen. I can't imagine how much we would hate on Myers as a #2 (Seabs replacement).

How did Myers get so good, on this board?? He is not that good!!! We all hate on Leddy as a #5 defensemen. I can't imagine how much we would hate on Myers as a #2 (Seabs replacement).
- BearsnHawks

But he's so big! He must be good.

How did Myers get so good, on this board?? He is not that good!!! We all hate on Leddy as a #5 defensemen. I can't imagine how much we would hate on Myers as a #2 (Seabs replacement).
- BearsnHawks

I honestly was confused. Myers hasn't been good since his monster rookie campaign.

I know it was kicked around earlier in the comments about Sharp+ for Myers and people flipped saying "Sharp is better than Myers, why do that?". But to be honest, Myers would be a very good return, especially if we can dump other cap while at it... Say like Sharp, Versteep, Oduya, Rosival for Myers, Torrey Mitchell, and a Low prospect. Myers and Mitchell are both marginally cheaper than Versteeg and Sharp, and then you dump Oduya and Rosivals saleries out right.

That gives us 29/19/81, 20/Richards/88, and some combo of 11/28/65/Mitchell/16/Regin/Nordstrom on the Bottom 6 with 2/7, 4/Myers, Leddy/Clendening. That would be the best D Corp in the league by FAR. and it gives us CAP ROOM to even add if needed. Also, Myers would effectively replace Seabrook when his contract is up and Johns can come into the roster as a replacement to the bottom 4 as opposed to having to "replace seabs".
- gnosox1986

Murray should (and likely would) be run out of town on a rail if he makes that trade...mind you I am a Hawks fan and i would be over the moon if it happened but.....never in a million years does that go down.

Sharp is 32, Roszival is even older, Versteeg sucks and Oduya is nice but not that good.

Buffalo is in the process of building a very nice core of very young players, including (but not limited to); Ristolainen, Reinhart, Pysyk and if the chips fall correctly, possibly McDavid, or at the very least another top 5 pick! At 24, Myers is primed to become a leader of that group in a year or 2...

If Buffalo were to trade him it would take a hell of a lot more than an aging sniper, a solid #4 dman and 2 pieces off the scrap heep!

Murray should (and likely would) be run out of town on a rail if he makes that trade...mind you I am a Hawks fan and i would be over the moon if it happened but.....never in a million years does that go down.

Sharp is 32, Roszival is even older, Versteeg sucks and Oduya is nice but not that good.

Buffalo is in the process of building a very nice core of very young players, including (but not limited to); Ristolainen, Reinhart, Pysyk and if the chips fall correctly, possibly McDavid, or at the very least another top 5 pick! At 24, Myers is primed to become a leader of that group in a year or 2...

If Buffalo were to trade him it would take a hell of a lot more than an aging sniper, a solid #4 dman and 2 pieces off the scrap heep!
- dsav123

How did Myers get so good, on this board?? He is not that good!!! We all hate on Leddy as a #5 defensemen. I can't imagine how much we would hate on Myers as a #2 (Seabs replacement).
- BearsnHawks

Grass is always greener syndrome. He is only 24 and locked up at a nice AAV for that time, but I'm not convinced he'd be able to handle being a top pairing guy on a western team. Granted, the Hawks could develop him into something really good, I'm still skeptical. Plus I think people are in awe of his size a little too much while paying less attention to how he uses it.

- Ogilthorpe2

of course now there is the extreme the other way!

Seabrook, Leddy & Versteeg for Myers & i can't even remember what?!
(Hackett & a 2nd)

Come on people, if you're going to propose a trade at least make it somewhat good for both sides!!!

Reading this blog from 30,000 feet and commenting only occassionally, you truly get a sense of how much people think they know about talent evaluation and you realize how little people actually know. And that's just a function of talent evaluation, not a funtion of people thinking they know it all. This is no slam on any Hawk fan, as you are my brothers... However, people claiming so-and-so will never amount to anything, or will be a career AHL'er, etc., must realize that men that have made their entire lives and careers out of evaluating talent at the NHL level get these types of calls wrong more than they get them right. That is, for every Toews, there's 10 Evan Bropheys. Moral of the story, with all due respect, is to just sit back and enjoy the ride. Keeping your two top forwards for the rest of their careers sure beats seeing guys like Roenick being traded because the front office didn't want to pony up and pay market value. The rest will fall into place, or it won't, and nobody here is going to lose a job over any of these decisions or evaluations of talent. Hopefully we will see the TT situation play out similarly to the Saad situation, who as you will all recall was derisively called "Jesus" and has proven to, in fact, have been worthy of the hype and then some.

For fans of other teams, you really can go pound sand. My favorite quote, two cups ago, was from a fan of either the Leafs or Flyers who stated, in such a cocksure manner you'd think he was predicting the sunrise, that no team with Patty Kane on it would ever win a Cup. He who laughs last, laughs loudest, is a saying that comes to mind in this regard.

Now, as someone here astutely pointed out, the discussion from other teams' fans has gone from how we'd lose Kane to Buffalo, where he could be "the man" and step out of Toews enormous shadow, to how we will never be able to field another Cup contender because of the Wonder Twins' bloated contracts, even though the NATIONAL pundits all think it was in line with what they should have received and that both actually left money on the table. This is so similar to the comments from other teams' fans after the 2010 Cup where our window was surely closed due to the cap and the necessary purge. I don't remember too many people eating crow after 2013's Cup.

I don't trust or like everything Stan Bowman has done, but I do see the makings of a potential dynasty on West Madison and as a long-suffering Hawks' fan that is a welcome relief from the days we hoped a Joe Murphy aquisition would put us over the top!

Peace my friends. Enjoy your summers and look forward to what is in the works. Hopefully it won't disappoint, but if it does, just look up in the rafters at those two shiny new banners and remember what it was like watching our boys skate around with a Cup many of us thought we'd never see in our lifetimes!
- Baaaaaaannerman!

Right on, Buzz.

Who wins this final four if it was division vs division with these lineup?

Atlantic: C- Stamkos, LW - Pacioretty, RW - Kessel, D Chara, D Subban, G Rask
Metro: C- Crosby, LW- Kunitz, RW- Ovechkin, D McDonagh, D Martin, G Lungfist
Central: C- Toews, LW- Benn, RW- Kane, D Keith, D Weber, G Rinne
Pacific: C Kopitar, LW Hall, RW- Perry, D Doughty, D OEL, G Quick


I... have no clue
- FourFeathers773

I'd put John Carlson with McD and that looks better. Kopitar, Hall, Perry looks damn good and backed up by Doughty and OEL and Quick. But I dont know cause obviously they've never been teamed up like that. Get a video game and simulate it

There's a disparity between a cap-friendly strategy and a championship-friendly strategy
- teh_HAWKZ

there was a lot of inexperienced talent on the LA team that just whooped up on us.

Who wins this final four if it was division vs division with these lineup?

Atlantic: C- Stamkos, LW - Pacioretty, RW - Kessel, D Chara, D Subban, G Rask
Metro: C- Crosby, LW- Kunitz, RW- Ovechkin, D McDonagh, D Martin, G Lungfist
Central: C- Toews, LW- Benn, RW- Kane, D Keith, D Weber, G Rinne
Pacific: C Kopitar, LW Hall, RW- Perry, D Doughty, D OEL, G Quick


I... have no clue
- FourFeathers773

I don't know but I would love to be there to see it.

Reading this blog from 30,000 feet and commenting only occassionally, you truly get a sense of how much people think they know about talent evaluation and you realize how little people actually know. And that's just a function of talent evaluation, not a funtion of people thinking they know it all. This is no slam on any Hawk fan, as you are my brothers... However, people claiming so-and-so will never amount to anything, or will be a career AHL'er, etc., must realize that men that have made their entire lives and careers out of evaluating talent at the NHL level get these types of calls wrong more than they get them right. That is, for every Toews, there's 10 Evan Bropheys. Moral of the story, with all due respect, is to just sit back and enjoy the ride. Keeping your two top forwards for the rest of their careers sure beats seeing guys like Roenick being traded because the front office didn't want to pony up and pay market value. The rest will fall into place, or it won't, and nobody here is going to lose a job over any of these decisions or evaluations of talent. Hopefully we will see the TT situation play out similarly to the Saad situation, who as you will all recall was derisively called "Jesus" and has proven to, in fact, have been worthy of the hype and then some.

For fans of other teams, you really can go pound sand. My favorite quote, two cups ago, was from a fan of either the Leafs or Flyers who stated, in such a cocksure manner you'd think he was predicting the sunrise, that no team with Patty Kane on it would ever win a Cup. He who laughs last, laughs loudest, is a saying that comes to mind in this regard.

Now, as someone here astutely pointed out, the discussion from other teams' fans has gone from how we'd lose Kane to Buffalo, where he could be "the man" and step out of Toews enormous shadow, to how we will never be able to field another Cup contender because of the Wonder Twins' bloated contracts, even though the NATIONAL pundits all think it was in line with what they should have received and that both actually left money on the table. This is so similar to the comments from other teams' fans after the 2010 Cup where our window was surely closed due to the cap and the necessary purge. I don't remember too many people eating crow after 2013's Cup.

I don't trust or like everything Stan Bowman has done, but I do see the makings of a potential DYNASTY on West Madison and as a long-suffering Hawks' fan that is a welcome relief from the days we hoped a Joe Murphy aquisition would put us over the top!

Peace my friends. Enjoy your summers and look forward to what is in the works. Hopefully it won't disappoint, but if it does, just look up in the rafters at those two shiny new banners and remember what it was like watching our boys skate around with a Cup many of us thought we'd never see in our lifetimes!
- Baaaaaaannerman!

Well said...and I agree wholeheartedly...

...just wish you hadn't used the D-word...

I'd put John Carlson with McD and that looks better. Kopitar, Hall, Perry looks damn good and backed up by Doughty and OEL and Quick. But I dont know cause obviously they've never been teamed up like that. Get a video game and simulate it
- BlazinMike

Good call, i was 50/50 with going with carlson for that second dman spot

Good call, i was 50/50 with going with carlson for that second dman spot
- FourFeathers773

That guy is damn good. Never been a fan of Martin.

This might have to be my first order of business once NHL 15 comes out.

of course now there is the extreme the other way!

Seabrook, Leddy & Versteeg for Myers & i can't even remember what?!
(Hackett & a 2nd)

Come on people, if you're going to propose a trade at least make it somewhat good for both sides!!!
- dsav123

No deal bringing Myers to Chicago is good for Chicago. He's not good. I wouldn't trade a bag-O-pucks for him.

But he's so big! He must be good.
- Ogilthorpe2

That's what she ...

My guess is that Buffalo is not a suitable partner for the Hawks because they have thier 1st round pick and the Islanders. They have a good chance of getting the 1st pick and selecting McDavid. If I was thier GM that would be my goal this year. That said what the Hawks need to move is a solid well paid player ie. Sharp or Oduya. This guys will help you win games but in doing so you hurt your draft position. As far as Kane goes I am sure Buffalo would like him after the 82nd game next year.

My guess is that Buffalo is not a suitable partner for the Hawks because they have thier 1st round pick and the Islanders. They have a good chance of getting the 1st pick and selecting McDavid. If I was thier GM that would be my goal this year. That said what the Hawks need to move is a solid well paid player ie. Sharp or Oduya. This guys will help you win games but in doing so you hurt your draft position. As far as Kane goes I am sure Buffalo would like him after the 82nd game next year.
- Shak50

Makes sense, I would rather have the draft picks than win games.

there was a lot of inexperienced talent on the LA team that just whooped up on us.
- fvineze

And they were fortunate that the young guns were able to step up during the biggest stage in the NHL but it's not something you should always toss the dice on.

If I can get a generational player instead of finishing 9th in the East I do that

Still no movement from the Hawk FO...one would think Stan's waiting to see how other rosters shake out a bit more and if there are any freak injuries with other clubs which would make them a more suitable trade partner...

we've heard a few teams bandied about Canadiens...Isles...Sens...

Doubt there's a move right now with the presser tomorrow for The Wonder Twins and their extensions...and the convention this weekend.

At least we have Bears training camp starting next week...

Dan Rosen ‏@drosennhl 14m
StL coach Ken Hitchcock is high on Lehtora, believes Ott will make up for loss of Sobotka, says Elliott is No. 1.


Pretty much means Hitch's last season in STL then

Blues aint going anywhere with Elliot as the starter

career 2.55 GAA and .898 sv pct in the playoffs
- FourFeathers773

Lehtora will be given every opportunity to win the center spot between Schwartz and Tarasenko and very likely could. he played a number of seasons with Tank in the KHL.

I don't understand the Blues brass man crush on Ott. Very good in the face off circle but otherwise underwhelming. I wish they would have given the Sobi the extra 300k and passed on Ott.

Your Elliott stats are very misleading. In his last 14 playoff games (his only playoff games with the Blues) , he has a .911 save percentage and a 2.16 GAA. These stats include two playoff games that he played with an inner ear infection where he had a .790 save percentage and a 4.61 GAA. if you take those two injury outliers out of his Blues stats, he has a 1.76 GAA and a .928 Save Percentage.

As a goalie who tried playing with an inner ear infection, the impact it has on your balance and vision makes it impossible to play well.

I'm not saying he is Patrick Roy or Marty Brodeur, just that stats can be very misleading.

Regardless, I imagine Hitch has to make the WCF or he likely will be moving on.

But he's so big! He must be good.
- Ogilthorpe2

double post

No deal bringing Myers to Chicago is good for Chicago. He's not good. I wouldn't trade a bag-O-pucks for him.
- Ogilthorpe2

I think bringing Myers to Chicago is great

Lehtora will be given every opportunity to win the center spot between Schwartz and Tarasenko and very likely could. he played a number of seasons with Tank in the KHL.

I don't understand the Blues brass man crush on Ott. Very good in the face off circle but otherwise underwhelming. I wish they would have given the Sobi the extra 300k and passed on Ott.

Your Elliott stats are very misleading. In his last 14 playoff games (his only playoff games with the Blues) , he has a .911 save percentage and a 2.16 GAA. These stats include two playoff games that he played with an inner ear infection where he had a .790 save percentage and a 4.61 GAA. if you take those two injury outliers out of his Blues stats, he has a 1.76 GAA and a .928 Save Percentage.

As a goalie who tried playing with an inner ear infection, the impact it has on your balance and vision makes it impossible to play well.

I'm not saying he is Patrick Roy or Marty Brodeur, just that stats can be very misleading.

Regardless, I imagine Hitch has to make the WCF or he likely will be moving on.
- stljam

Don't think we're ready to let that happen...so bye bye Hitch.