no offense my point was just that if kane had been signed for 4 million a year at 10 years Chicago could command a bunch more for him
- dprice818

Sorry that is not a real good point and unrealistic. Even at 10.5 for 8 years he is a steal and knowing the cap is going to keep going up Patrick Kane is a gold mine at 25! You don't think there are 15-20 if not more teams would give their left and right nut to get him. Of course there is!! Every team has a can't miss prospect or 2 or 3 that they would not even think twice about trading for Kaner. Along with already NHL ready talent. Patrick Kane type talent is just not out there. The Hawks know this and he is not going anywhere!!

So what do you think Kessel would net the Leafs?
- faustus1500

I think they're pretty comparable players, actually. Both around a PPG in the Playoffs, although PK in a much bigger sample size. And there's no way in Hell Phil could get the packages other posters have thought (Eberle, Yak, Klefbom and 2 1sts from Edmonton OR Myers, 3 1sts and 2 top prospects from Buffalo?).

Those deals are the stuff of dreams, no one gets those kinds of returns.

The cap hit is my point. His trade value is lower because of his massive cap hit
- dprice818

He isn't being traded. So his value is irrelevant.

Sorry that is not a real good point and unrealistic. Even at 10.5 for 8 years he is a steal and knowing the cap is going to keep going up Patrick Kane is a gold mine at 25! You don't think there are 15-20 if not more teams would give their left and right nut to get him. Of course there is!! Every team has a can't miss prospect or 2 or 3 that they would not even think twice about trading for Kaner. Along with already NHL ready talent. Patrick Kane type talent is just not out there. The Hawks know this and he is not going anywhere!!
- PaulNewman

10.5 for the next 8 years is a steal? Of course...it's Kaner. Top 10 talent in the league.

Top 10 talent? Maybe. Top 10 player? Only in Hawk's fans minds. I know he's being paid like an elite player, and he does have a great track record of producing in the Playoffs, but he's just not. He takes way too many games off and only plays in one zone to be considered elite.

Toews is overpaid by a little...Kane by a LOT.
- djamon

No.

10.5 for the next 8 years is a steal? Of course...it's Kaner. Top 10 talent in the league.
- djamon

Its because he is American, isn't it?

10.5 for the next 8 years is a steal? Of course...it's Kaner. Top 10 talent in the league.
- djamon

Do you think Kessel is overpaid or underpaid?

Its because he is American, isn't it?


- Elbows15

No! No, no, NO! Yes...

Do you think Kessel is overpaid or underpaid?
- faustus1500

When he signed it, I though he was a little overpaid. But he's due 40m less than Kane with somewhat similar career numbers. And Kane's deal apparently is a "steal"....so that makes Phil one of the most underpaid guys in the league.

Him, JT and Sid.

basically anyone who signed prior to the new CBA and even within this past year under the previous cap will be considered "underpaid" compared to Toews&Kane's new contracts that were done based on the expected rising salary cap. they are the new precedent for star players and they will only be the highest paid players for one season bc Stamkos will definitely get a max deal

'Hawks a surprise team in the race for Tyler Myers according to Ek.
- TommyHawk

Mostly because it is surprise to everyone in the entire hawk front office....

basically anyone who signed prior to the new CBA and even within this past year under the previous cap will be considered "underpaid" compared to Toews&Kane's new contracts that were done based on the expected rising salary cap. they are the new precedent for star players and they will only be the highest paid players for one season bc Stamkos will definitely get a max deal
- EnzoD

I agree with this to a certain extent. But my problem is that I just don't think Kane is worth as much as Toews. Not even close, IMO.

When he signed it, I though he was a little overpaid. But he's due 40m less than Kane with somewhat similar career numbers. And Kane's deal apparently is a "steal"....so that makes Phil one of the most underpaid guys in the league.

Him, JT and Sid.
- djamon

This is real easy. David Clarkson.

When he signed it, I though he was a little overpaid. But he's due 40m less than Kane with somewhat similar career numbers. And Kane's deal apparently is a "steal"....so that makes Phil one of the most underpaid guys in the league.

Him, JT and Sid.
- djamon

The term was to reward Kane for winning two Cups for Chicago. I should point out that Kessel has been very very good only the last three years. Kane has been very very good since 2009-10. You throw in a recent Conn Smythe you see that Kane is worth more than Kessel. Two million dollars more? I don't know about that. Like I said before I think the Hawks underpaid Toews and overpaid Kane. However, if both players did reach the open market they would have commanded more money.

Myers, with the right coaching, could become a Pronger/Chara type defenseman. He is 24 years old. He looked like a bust in 12-13 but showed real flashes late this season.

I think anything is possible but Buffalo is not taking a Sharp plus a package for Myers. .
- tredbrta

How does Myers for Sharp solve the Cap crunch???

It saves 400,000 and the return is a defenseman who still does't understand his end.

Kane's point totals don't seem all that impressive for a guy carrying the largest cap hit in the league....

Kane's point totals don't seem all that impressive for a guy carrying the largest cap hit in the league....
- RoloTahmasee

*yawn*

Hey guys. How close do you think McNeil is to challenging for 2C?
- busmaster

He would have to first make the Hawks as a physical wing and get quicker to be thrown in as a centreman....

I agree with this to a certain extent. But my problem is that I just don't think Kane is worth as much as Toews. Not even close, IMO.
- djamon

agree that Toews is the most important player on the team followed closely by Keith IMO. But the offense and playmaking that Kane brings is as dynamic as Crosby or Malkin and often times even more flashy bc he is "showtime" after all..he has been basically carrying the 2nd line for 4 years now and he still is at nearly a PPG scoring rate...with a better center (hopefully Richards will suffice for now) he will be at or above a PPG every year no problem.....that kind of production plus his playoff clutch factor is why he is definitely is worth that contract

The term was to reward Kane for winning two Cups for Chicago. I should point out that Kessel has been very very good only the last three years. Kane has been very very good since 2009-10. You throw in a recent Conn Smythe you see that Kane is worth more than Kessel. Two million dollars more? I don't know about that. Like I said before I think the Hawks underpaid Toews and overpaid Kane. However, if both players did reach the open market they would have commanded more money.
- faustus1500

Fair enough...

I don't think Kane gets this much on the open market though. I agree with you that maybe the Hawks paid him an extra 30-40m for his Playoff prowess.

Edit: my math is off, thought his deal was 10 years. He maybe got an extra 10-12m.

Does Sharp + Leddy +prospect get Tyler Myers? do the Hawks really want him?

He is a monster who can skate and has as good or better offensive instincts as Leddy and was somehow a + player on the Sabres prior to this season...and he's 6'8'!!....some muscle back there that the Hawks havent had in recent years
- EnzoD

Wow!

That's not the Tyler Myers I have seen.

The only thing that trade has going for the hawks is he locked in for five mores...at a higher rate than Duncan Keith!

Kane's point totals don't seem all that impressive for a guy carrying the largest cap hit in the league....
- RoloTahmasee

You're a dumbass.


Ovechkin had 51 goals. WOuld you rather have him or Kane ?

Gotta play all 200 ' of ice.


You probably don't think Toews is worth it either... If you know anything about advanced metrics , you'd see Johnny Toews is by far the best player in the NHL. By far. Plays a true lethal 200' game.

Their cap hits are worth it . The Cap is going to jump a lot in the next 24 months.


Two young superstars that have won multiple cups each have a Conn Smythe , get real nimrod .

I agree with this to a certain extent. But my problem is that I just don't think Kane is worth as much as Toews. Not even close, IMO.
- djamon

It's ok, wouldn't expect a Leaves fan to know poop about it anyways.

How does Myers for Sharp solve the Cap crunch???

It saves 400,000 and the return is a defenseman who still does't understand his end.
- wiz1901

Does Sharp + Leddy for Myers not make the Hawks better long term? I believe it does. It sheds Leddy's contract(which will aproach 4+ mil next summer you watch), get's the Hawks under the cap this summer and gets them a legitimate top 4 dman with huge upside. I just feel that a Leddy +Sharp+ type package would net the best return for an aging winger while trying to shed salary at the same time

agree that Toews is the most important player on the team followed closely by Keith IMO. But the offense and playmaking that Kane brings is as dynamic as Crosby or Malkin and often times even more flashy bc he is "showtime" after all..he has been basically carrying the 2nd line for 4 years now and he still is at nearly a PPG scoring rate...with a better center (hopefully Richards will suffice for now) he will be at or above a PPG every year no problem.....that kind of production plus his playoff clutch factor is why he is definitely is worth that contract
- EnzoD

Why doesn't this playmaking translate into more points?

I mean 29 goals last year, 23 last full season before that?

Seriously?