Difference is when toews does crap (one goal in 20 playoff games but still his team wins the Cup) he's has a team to bail his a$$ out!
- stevens87

Will u just stop it already with ur "1 goal in 20 playoff games, Toews is overrated" BS ranting. Toews has a Conn Smythe trophy, 2 Stanley Cups, an Olympic Gold, and he's 25. Seriously u sound ridiculous. He was also the best player on the ice for either team in games 5(till he left in the 3rd) and 6 of the 2013 finals....despite playing hurt. He even had 5 GWG in this years playoffs. The way you try to infer that he hasn't performed well in the post season is an absolute joke. The guy is definitely a shoe-in for the HOF barring some major injury.

Will u just stop it already with ur "1 goal in 20 playoff games, Toews is overrated" BS ranting. Toews has a Conn Smythe trophy, 2 Stanley Cups, an Olympic Gold, and he's 25. Seriously u sound ridiculous. He was also the best player on the ice for either team in games 5(till he left in the 3rd) and 6 of the 2013 finals....despite playing hurt. He even had 5 GWG in this years playoffs. The way you try to infer that he hasn't performed well in the post season is an absolute joke. The guy is definitely a shoe-in for the HOF barring some major injury.
- SimpleJack

I agree with all of this. However, the Crosby vs Toews comparisons are ridiculous. Not that your the one making said comparison. Two different types of players, and both have GREAT all around game. Neither is 1 dimensional. Toews is better defensively, Crosby is better offensively. That said, neither is a slouch anywhere on the ice.

Crosby as a captain and a all around player is a joke when in comparison to Toews. I'll give Crosby the edge in offense but everything after that toews owns his a$$
- Seacon33

In offensive skill Crosby Ovi and Stamkos are on another level, but as a complete player Toews is rivaled by few, and the three mentioned earlier are not close.

Will u just stop it already with ur "1 goal in 20 playoff games, Toews is overrated" BS ranting. Toews has a Conn Smythe trophy, 2 Stanley Cups, an Olympic Gold, and he's 25. Seriously u sound ridiculous. He was also the best player on the ice for either team in games 5(till he left in the 3rd) and 6 of the 2013 finals....despite playing hurt. He even had 5 GWG in this years playoffs. The way you try to infer that he hasn't performed well in the post season is an absolute joke. The guy is definitely a shoe-in for the HOF barring some major injury.
- SimpleJack

Then you will agree Crosby is already a shoe-in HOF even with major injuries he has had?

Then you will agree Crosby is already a shoe-in HOF even with major injuries he has had?
- stevens87

Yes, I don't think anyone questioned that

It’s simple: Crosby is better than Toews

http://www.sportsnet.ca/h...sby-is-better-than-toews/

It’s simple: Crosby is better than Toews

http://www.sportsnet.ca/h...sby-is-better-than-toews/


- laughs2907

Not clicking that.

Then you will agree Crosby is already a shoe-in HOF even with major injuries he has had?
- stevens87

I dont think that is being disputed by anyone....anywhere.

Will u just stop it already with ur "1 goal in 20 playoff games, Toews is overrated" BS ranting. Toews has a Conn Smythe trophy, 2 Stanley Cups, an Olympic Gold, and he's 25. Seriously u sound ridiculous. He was also the best player on the ice for either team in games 5(till he left in the 3rd) and 6 of the 2013 finals....despite playing hurt. He even had 5 GWG in this years playoffs. The way you try to infer that he hasn't performed well in the post season is an absolute joke. The guy is definitely a shoe-in for the HOF barring some major injury.
- SimpleJack

I said the same thing about Eric Lindros in 1998. Toews has a lot of hockey to play in his career. I wouldn't put him in the HOF just yet.

I said it plenty of times in the cbj blogg and I will say it again , Dubinsky's agent got out the Callahan argument , besides with the Cap seemingly going up this contract will probably be nothing next to the atrocities we will see in the coming years.

I'm not comfortable with the cap hit and let alone the salary, but I can also understand were management is going with this , and it probably has something to do with how Dubinsky acts on and off the ice and also how he plays off the score sheet. Meaning the stats that don't win games, hits , faceoff percentage and most of all a leadership role, and it's not like Duby is a slow skater either.

Ask any Ranger fan if they'd rather have Duby back over Nash and alot might say yes.
- Alexzanki

Dubinsky is worth the money imo. The thing about Dubi is that he is a gamer...wish he was still with the rangers....he's still one of my favorite players

Greatest player in the history of the NHL... Doesn't mean he knows everything. Example: His coaching career.
- laughs2907

Leave Gretzky's coaching career out of it....his team struggled with him coaching because it was a young team that was intimidated by the coach bc it was Gretzky.....he's more suited to be a GM

Will u just stop it already with ur "1 goal in 20 playoff games, Toews is overrated" BS ranting. Toews has a Conn Smythe trophy, 2 Stanley Cups, an Olympic Gold, and he's 25. Seriously u sound ridiculous. He was also the best player on the ice for either team in games 5(till he left in the 3rd) and 6 of the 2013 finals....despite playing hurt. He even had 5 GWG in this years playoffs. The way you try to infer that he hasn't performed well in the post season is an absolute joke. The guy is definitely a shoe-in for the HOF barring some major injury.
- SimpleJack

thought he already won 2 olympic golds ....i think its a stupid debate between crosby and toews because simply put crosby has more talent than toews.....but toews is still a hell of a player. Maybe there should be a poll on would you rather Crosby or Toews be your first line center? Personally I'd take Crosby because he is the most talented player in the league, when healthy he is dangerous every time he's on the ice. I haven't seen Toews play nearly as much as ive seen crosby so maybe I'm biased, but talent wise....no blackhawk fan can say toews is more talented than sidney the cry baby crosby

In offensive skill Crosby Ovi and Stamkos are on another level, but as a complete player Toews is rivaled by few, and the three mentioned earlier are not close.
- abware

yep

im sure id take crosby as my first pick if i had the choice.
but toews is the one forward that would give me serious pause to consider going with instead.

Are you attempting to point out the massive mistake your team made? If so; good post
- hugefemale dog77

In Shero we trust.

Towes pisses me off simply because how he spells his name. That said someday I think Crosby and he will both be in the Hall and both deserve it.

The entire Toews/Crosby debate is irrelevant since according to the Pens fans Crosby was decapitated by Marc Staal in the playoffs last year after getting roughed up in the crease.

Toews is obviously a Hall of Fame caliber player. The fact is he and Sid play different style games, but each is worthy of the praise they receive. Someone stayed that Sid is one dimensional....simply not true. He contributes everywhere. However, its also true that goals/points aren't the only way to judge a player.
- cranktheradio

Not sure he's worth 10.5m to the 29 other teams, but to Chicago he is.

Hall of fame isn't really a "great" honor anymore.

Toews brings SO much more then scoring.

Leave Gretzky's coaching career out of it....his team struggled with him coaching because it was a young team that was intimidated by the coach bc it was Gretzky.....he's more suited to be a GM
- wheresthesoda

No.

Toews' dad could beat up Crosby's dad

Toews' dad could beat up Crosby's dad
- BlazinMike

Probably the smartest comment of the whole debate!

Don't really know why you can't like both players. To call Crosby one dimensional is hilarious and delusional however.


Eric Lindros should be in the HOF, and if Crosby retired today, he would be too.

Toews is a shoe in as well.

I don't think that anyone can bring enough defense, and "intangibles" to overcome what Crosby can do. He is the best player in the NHL and to debate it is laughable. Crosby is ridiculously better than the second best player in the NHL, whoever it is (that is a legit debate).

Crosby is so good that if he played in the 80's he'd be matching Gretzky point for point. I believe what he has done in his career, the way the goalies are so well equipped, the way the game is called, the lack of enforcers etc. is every bit as impressive as the careers of Lemieux or Gretzky.

To put it in perspective how good he is, since 2005, if you prorate the stats to as many games as Ovechkin has played (who has the most points since then) Crosby would have outscored him by 127 points.

127 points more than second place. And, if he didn't get his head squashed and his face smashed in, and clearly he was injured for the last while of this season, he would probably be closer to 175 more.

That's insane.

Probably the smartest comment of the whole debate!

Don't really know why you can't like both players. To call Crosby one dimensional is hilarious and delusional however.


Eric Lindros should be in the HOF, and if Crosby retired today, he would be too.

Toews is a shoe in as well.

I don't think that anyone can bring enough defense, and "intangibles" to overcome what Crosby can do. He is the best player in the NHL and to debate it is laughable. Crosby is ridiculously better than the second best player in the NHL, whoever it is (that is a legit debate).

Crosby is so good that if he played in the 80's he'd be matching Gretzky point for point. I believe what he has done in his career, the way the goalies are so well equipped, the way the game is called, the lack of enforcers etc. is every bit as impressive as the careers of Lemieux or Gretzky.

To put it in perspective how good he is, since 2005, if you prorate the stats to as many games as Ovechkin has played (who has the most points since then) Crosby would have outscored him by 127 points.

127 points more than second place. And, if he didn't get his head squashed and his face smashed in, and clearly he was injured for the last while of this season, he would probably be closer to 175 more.

That's insane.
- James_Tanner

Yup.

Crosby >>> Toews
- laughs2907

I wasn't going to get pulled into this childish crap, but didn't TSN already have this conversation and if I remember correctly( if you don't, I can link you) Toews destroyed Crosby. Experts and coaches agreed that if they had to build a franchise around a player it would be Toews. So, go talk about Crosby someplace. It's easy to score goals, look at your division.

It’s simple: Crosby is better than Toews

http://www.sportsnet.ca/h...sby-is-better-than-toews/


- laughs2907

http://www.tsn.ca/nhl/story/?id=452068


Aww that's so cute! Next time, link bleacherreport. I really enjoy pictures

Probably the smartest comment of the whole debate!

Don't really know why you can't like both players. To call Crosby one dimensional is hilarious and delusional however.


Eric Lindros should be in the HOF, and if Crosby retired today, he would be too.

Toews is a shoe in as well.

I don't think that anyone can bring enough defense, and "intangibles" to overcome what Crosby can do. He is the best player in the NHL and to debate it is laughable. Crosby is ridiculously better than the second best player in the NHL, whoever it is (that is a legit debate).

Crosby is so good that if he played in the 80's he'd be matching Gretzky point for point. I believe what he has done in his career, the way the goalies are so well equipped, the way the game is called, the lack of enforcers etc. is every bit as impressive as the careers of Lemieux or Gretzky.

To put it in perspective how good he is, since 2005, if you prorate the stats to as many games as Ovechkin has played (who has the most points since then) Crosby would have outscored him by 127 points.

127 points more than second place. And, if he didn't get his head squashed and his face smashed in, and clearly he was injured for the last while of this season, he would probably be closer to 175 more.

That's insane.
- James_Tanner

I agree with most of this and while you didn't say a thing about toews or his injuries or struggles or the fact he had to lead a half ass team after they won the cup. Or that the central division is ten times harder than yours, I'll leave you this powerful fact: Crosby doesn't show up to big events. If he wants to be the face of the NHL, why is he always diving on that pretty face? That's my one penguin joke, I had to use it. I have a blackhawks one, if it makes you feel better? What would make 2014 Nick Leddy look better? A puck to the mouth instead of the shoulder. Dun, dun, dun....

Who wins this final four if it was division vs division with these lineup?

Atlantic: C- Stamkos, LW - Pacioretty, RW - Kessel, D Chara, D Subban, G Rask
Metro: C- Crosby, LW- Kunitz, RW- Ovechkin, D McDonagh, D Martin, G Lungfist
Central: C- Toews, LW- Benn, RW- Kane, D Keith, D Weber, G Rinne
Pacific: C Kopitar, LW Hall, RW- Perry, D Doughty, D OEL, G Quick


I... have no clue