LIKE RICK NASH!!!!



AMIRIGHT DOZZER???
- Pecafan Fan

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

- AdamFrench

A player had super possession stats, must have been a great game except the two blatant give-aways that directly led to two goals that cost the team the game that did not show up on advanced stat sheet, hey but his corsi and fenwick were awesome!

A goalie let in three goals according to the stats, without watching the game he must have played crap, it is the only plausible explanation.
- LeafMan

yes if there were 10 shots but on 45 shots no way
pk let them down on a 5 on 3 followed by the 5 on 4
damn that major

A player had super possession stats, must have been a great game except the two blatant give-aways that directly led to two goals that cost the team the game that did not show up on advanced stat sheet, hey but his corsi and fenwick were awesome!
- LeafMan

You know me Lou.

Unless you just aren't putting it in?
- AdamFrench

I think I have to be careful with this question

Advanced stats give you a good base when you're not able to watch a player play. But you can't have poor stats and be playing good, doesn't make sense.
- peddy-93

the polarization on the issue is so stupid that it almost makes me cry. there's a convo going on in the main thread about ROR. his advanced stats aren't great, so he's not that good. he puts up goals and points? doesn't matter. he sucks because his Corsi is 48%. there's more to hockey than points, and there's more to hockey than possession.

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
- AdamFrench

- Pecafan Fan

(frank) he was dog poop.

You know me Lou.
- AdamFrench

Your advanced stats say I don't.

I think I have to be careful with this question
- peddy-93

think protection.

LIKE RICK NASH!!!!



AMIRIGHT DOZZER???
- Pecafan Fan

you mean the 2 time gold medalist?

A player had super possession stats, must have been a great game except the two blatant give-aways that directly led to two goals that cost the team the game that did not show up on advanced stat sheet, hey but his corsi and fenwick were awesome!
- LeafMan

Better to use stats for a larger sample rather than just a game. Every player turns the puck over that leads to goals.

Wasn't he sick? Or the injury/sickness excuse applies only to players who are still playing with the leafs?

Also, Wasn't he used in a checking role that year (something he's not suited for) yet maintained decent possession numbers?
- Pecafan Fan

He was... but that's irrelevant. I'm not talking about why he was bad, he just was.

And that's the point- looking at possession numbers, he looks like he had a fine season.
Watching him play tells a different story... the same one the team saw when they bought him out.

A player had super possession stats, must have been a great game except the two blatant give-aways that directly led to two goals that cost the team the game that did not show up on advanced stat sheet, hey but his corsi and fenwick were awesome!
- LeafMan

well his stats would also indicate that he was on the ice for 2 goals against...

I know you love to ridicule those stats so i'm not sure why I bother to answer

Or capybara
- peddy-93

they're so cuddly.

the polarization on the issue is so stupid that it almost makes me cry. there's a convo going on in the main thread about ROR. his advanced stats aren't great, so he's not that good. he puts up goals and points? doesn't matter. he sucks because his Corsi is 48%. there's more to hockey than points, and there's more to hockey than possession.
- DoubleDown

People need to be careful not to solely base a player on certain stats only. There's flaws with every stat, but depends the way you use them.

Your advanced stats say I don't.
- LeafMan

well his stats would also indicate that he was on the ice for 2 goals against...

I know you love to ridicule those stats so i'm not sure why I bother to answer
- Pecafan Fan

Yes but it shows 4 other players on as well, you see?

It is flawed, garbage in garbage out. Yes you use it as a complimentary tool but many put too much stock in the numbers without other variables taken into consideration.

Yes but it shows 4 other players on as well, you see?

It is flawed, garbage in garbage out. Yes you use it as a complimentary tool but many put too much stock in the numbers without other variables taken into consideration.
- LeafMan

And many completely disregard them... so it balances out, I guess.

Honestly, I can't for the life of me understand why people REFUSE to see advanced stats just like every other stats. As a complement (and a deep one at that) to the game. People only try to find flaws in them instead of trying to find what value they hold...
- Pecafan Fan

It's not all advanced stats, it's CORSI. I don't think anyone has a problem with Zone starts or points per 60 or blah blah.

It's all CORSI. Because it's hockey's version of QBR. You can't have a shot attempt without having possession, so shots MUST = possession!

Why people won't just refer to CORSI as it is, shot attempt ratios, and stop saying good 'possession' teams and bad 'possession' teams.

It's insulting to statistics!

People need to be careful not to solely base a player on certain stats only. There's flaws with every stat, but depends the way you use them.
- peddy-93

it's not like baseball. individual ballplayers can be analyzed on their numbers only. but hockey players have a symbiotic relationship. their stats are dependent on 11 other hockey players on the ice.

It's not all advanced stats, it's CORSI. I don't think anyone has a problem with Zone starts or points per 60 or blah blah.

It's all CORSI. Because it's hockey's version of QBR. You can't have a shot attempt without having possession, so shots MUST = possession!

Why people won't just refer to CORSI as it is, shot attempt ratios, and stop saying good 'possession' teams and bad 'possession' teams.

It's insulting to statistics!
- mcleafs

it is. but at the same time, i want my team to have more shot attempts. and i don't buy into some teams having a more selective shot process. every team is the same. they take the shots that are there.

it's not like baseball. individual ballplayers can be analyzed on their numbers only. but hockey players have a symbiotic relationship. their stats are dependent on 11 other hockey players on the ice.
- DoubleDown

Basically Billy Beane screwed us all.

And many completely disregard them... so it balances out, I guess.
- Pecafan Fan

I enjoy zeroing in some players and watch how they play, that is the beauty of watching the games.

He was... but that's irrelevant. I'm not talking about why he was bad, he just was.

And that's the point- looking at possession numbers, he looks like he had a fine season.
Watching him play tells a different story... the same one the team saw when they bought him out.
- Feeling Glucky?

grabo .593 ppg
kadri .638 ppg
bozak .618 ppg
bolland .509 ppg

kadri plays with lupul on second line w pp minutes
bozak plays with kessel and jvr
bolland played on CHI on a cup winning team
grabo played with kulemin and macarthur as his best 2 wingers when leafs were poop

face offs 53.98 % - grabo

48.7 - bozak