partially agree. Hawks have done a much better job at developing their draft picks and have had better overall asset management than the pens. They will need to be even more successful at this now if they are going to challenge for a cup.
- Tumbleweed

Keith is better defensively than Letang, and Seabrook is head and shoulders better than anyone who's ever played D for the Pens.

But worth mentioning that if Toews and Kane had missed as many games as Crosby and Malkin have over the last few years, they probably wouldn't have 2 cup rings.

Keith is better defensively than Letang, and Seabrook is head and shoulders better than anyone who's ever played D for the Pens.

But worth mentioning that if Toews and Kane had missed as many games as Crosby and Malkin have over the last few years, they probably wouldn't have 2 cup rings.
- Badge

Why crosby and malkin didn't miss a whole lot of playoff time.

http://www.sportsnet.ca/h...rade-expereince-shanahan/

Good read

Trade Lupul

Trade Lupul
- Pecafan Fan

Trade Lupul
- Pecafan Fan

Trade patches

Why crosby and malkin didn't miss a whole lot of playoff time.
- Yeti1181

2010-11 Crosby played 1st half of the year like a man possessed, them missed the 2nd half and playoffs, as did Malkin the same year. only marked as 7 games. With those two healthy, no way they lose to Sens. (was Sens right?)

only played 22 games next season, and wasn't 100% in playoffs - got his face smashed remember.

Not to mention missing large amounts of time during the season definitely affects you in the playoffs. Sometimes you can be fresher, but coming back last like Crosby did - you're off.

Trade patches
- Yeti1181

See my location.

Trade Lupul
- Pecafan Fan

A healthy Lupul would be fantastic. Along with the return of a ppg Kadri?

OMG.

See my location.
- Pecafan Fan

Lupul/patches?

2010-11 Crosby played 1st half of the year like a man possessed, them missed the 2nd half and playoffs, as did Malkin the same year. only marked as 7 games. With those two healthy, no way they lose to Sens. (was Sens right?)

only played 22 games next season, and wasn't 100% in playoffs - got his face smashed remember.

Not to mention missing large amounts of time during the season definitely affects you in the playoffs. Sometimes you can be fresher, but coming back last like Crosby did - you're off.
- Badge

He had his jaw broken doesn't mean he can't play ;see getzlaf this year. Didn't realize they missed that much.

Unifor finalizing plans to unionize Canadian Hockey League

http://news.ca.msn.com/lo...-canadian-hockey-league-3

Lupul/patches?
- Yeti1181

Pacioretty

Of course I see the value. I just think 10.5 million is ridiculous and very, very selfish.
- RogerRoeper

They are underpaid compared to what 3rd liners make. They are two of the best in a $4B business.

Pacioretty
- Pecafan Fan

Franson for Patches!

Lupul-Kadri-Patcioretty would be the best 2nd line in the league for the 2 games one of them isn't injured/suspended.

Pacioretty
- Pecafan Fan

I see I like patches, he the second best 40 goal scorer to never get 40.

He had his jaw broken doesn't mean he can't play ;see getzlaf this year. Didn't realize they missed that much.
- Yeti1181

Getzlaf's wasn't quite as bad as Crosby's, and he does have the advantage of his head being above most guys shoulders, rather than right at that height

They are underpaid compared to what 3rd liners make. They are two if the best in a $4B business.
- Canada Cup

If there was no salary cap, they'd both be making $15 million a year.

They are underpaid because the salary cap distorts the free market.

Keith is better defensively than Letang, and Seabrook is head and shoulders better than anyone who's ever played D for the Pens.

But worth mentioning that if Toews and Kane had missed as many games as Crosby and Malkin have over the last few years, they probably wouldn't have 2 cup rings.
- Badge

The biggest misconception about Keith/Seabrook in my opinion is how they are utilized.

I'd say even though they are superstars with lots of talent, they are shielded from the Suter/Phaneuf type of minutes. They play high minutes in mostly favourable situations. Top PP, secondary PK, majority offensive starts etc.

Then there is Hjalmarsson and Oduya, who play top PK, Most defensive zone starts and so on. Chicago's coaching is very clever in utilizing large strengths on the roster and minimizing deficiencies.

With Toews as a top flight, elite Selke type center, having him in any zone matters not. But they support that with their shutdown pairing in the D-Zone, more so than putting their best overall defenseman on the ice. Toews elevates the shutdown pairing, but also elevates the top pairing in all zones anyways. So when they are on the ice in the less than often defensive situation, mistakes are covered before they happen. This is the value of Toews. He amplifies strengths and minimizes weaknesses. He also inflates the worth of every member of the Blackhawks currently in the Top 4 and Top 6 forwards respectively.

I see I like patches, he the second best 40 goal scorer to never get 40.
- Yeti1181

but he is the best 40-goal scorer to score 39 goals.

Franson for Patches!

Lupul-Kadri-Patcioretty would be the best 2nd line in the league for the 2 games one of them isn't injured/suspended.
- Feeling Glucky?

Franson for Patches.

Orr and Biggs for Kesler.

Patches - Kesler - JVR would be the best diving line in the history of the NHL.

for the same price you can have

1 Toews or 1 P.Kane or 2 Bollands or 2 Tavares
- senstroll

Tavares will get 10 mil a year when he's a UFA in 2018.

Keep the cap space open, Shanny.

Franson for Patches.

Orr and Biggs for Kesler.

Patches - Kesler - JVR would be the best diving line in the history of the NHL...
- Atomic Wedgie

...for the 2 games one of them isn't injured/suspended.

...wait, what?

Should be Patches-Kadri-Kesler, if you're talking about diving, not JVR.

If there was no salary cap, they'd both be making $15 million a year.

They are underpaid because the salary cap distorts the free market.
- Atomic Wedgie

And underpaid in a cap system when GMs put too much $ into 3rd liners.

Lupul/patches?
- Yeti1181

better comparison is JVR-Max. both first line wingers who score a lot. both stink defensively and both are soft given how big they are.