I'm not saying he's amazing, I'm saying he's got a better track record so far than Ramo (who's older), so they're not the same at all in my opinion.
- Morris

Better track record as a career back up until coming to EDM compared to a starter as one of the best goalies in the KHL on one of the best teams. There's a difference alright, but I'm not thinking it falls in anyone's favour, certainly not towards Scrivens.

Gio's a fantastic dman. Brodie has seemed to me like a solid benefactor and not a ton more. But i'll watch more closely I guess
- Morris

As individuals Gio had the best possession and WOWY numbers, Brodie was right there, not too far behind. His offence has picked up each year and will likely continue to given his young age, but he's already a top pair defenceman.

Brodie benefited alright, only in learning his trade through a solid vet.

The path both these teams are taking (one longer than the other ) it looks like we could be seeing some great playoffs series,can you imagine an oilers flames WC final that would be glorious
- Bigern4MVP

pretty tough with divisional playoffs

As individuals Gio had the best possession and WOWY numbers, Brodie was right there, not too far behind. His offence has picked up each year and will likely continue to given his young age, but he's already a top pair defenceman.

Brodie benefited alright, only in learning his trade through a solid vet.
- TandA4Flames

Take a look at Brodie's quality of competition as well. I think he was top 10 in the league.

I'd take Brodie over any of the Oilers D hands down.....Russell is up there too. Hell, probably Wideman as well.

24-28 points will be the more likely gap.
- Jeropotato

Pouliot and Purcell, come on man. Those guys haven't even played a game in an Oilers uniform. I think the jury is still out on how well those bumholes will do. Perron I would agree, but he's pretty young himself. I wouldn't really call him a vet yet but he is getting close.

Your Eakins banter is just pure hearsay as well. You'd think he would improve I agree, but maybe it goes south and he can't turn the team around either? He's proven nothing so far so i'm not going to rush to any conclusions on that one either.

I think you are forgetting its a team game. It's not all about signing UFA's and going, this guy is a 2C this guy is a 3LW. It's about cohesiveness and the personalities on the team gelling and coming together as one.

http://www.extraskater.com/players/dashboard
Look at who is number one and number seven
This is why the flames defense is 10x better

http://www.extraskater.com/players/dashboard
Look at who is number one and number seven
This is why the flames defense is 10x better
- Bigern4MVP

Bingo

Last 10 years? Peca, Pronger, Souray were decent UFAs... Don't pretend that Calgary is a desirable destination for UFAs while Edmonton is not... Neither place is popular. If you suggest otherwise, you're blind or incredibly biased.
- laughs2907

So 3 decent UFA's in 10 years. Wow. And, let's see, Pronger lasted what, 1 season before demanding a trade out of town for personal reasons (wife didn't want to live in Edmonton) and Peca was a trade acquisition, not a free agent signing, BUT I will still give you the 3rd player and even a 4th as Justin Schultz chose Edmonton, as did Dustin Penner. Regardless of how these guys actually played, they were big name signings when brought in.

Calgary, since 2004 has brought in named talent in the peak years of their career like:
Jay Bouwmeester (similar to Pronger, traded for his rights and signed him)
Roman Hamrlik
Curtis Glencross
Todd Bertuzzi (well, not the peak of his career)
Alex Tanguay
Jiri Hudler
Dennis Wideman

Both Edmonton and Calgary are big hockey markets, which is both a pro and a con for free agents, some love the atmosphere, others want to play in a quieter market where they can shrink away from the limelight a little bit. Where Calgary gets an edge is the fact that the weather is better (gotta love Chinooks), the mountains are closer and the city is larger. I lived in Edmonton for 10 years as a kid/teenager and have lived in Calgary ever since, and I strongly prefer living in Calgary.

Anyways, it's always fun discussing "bias" with Oiler fans who choose to troll Flame message boards...

Ok dream weaver. 1st off, Brodie is also better than anything you have. 2nd Ramo and Scrivens are in the same boat, trying to solidify #1 status. And you better hope to hell it isnt too late for the kids to finally have some strong vets fo show the way.
- TandA4Flames

What makes Brodie better than Petry, Marincin or Fayne? I think you over value him because of his partner and your love for Flames players.

Better track record as a career back up until coming to EDM compared to a starter as one of the best goalies in the KHL on one of the best teams. There's a difference alright, but I'm not thinking it falls in anyone's favour, certainly not towards Scrivens.
- TandA4Flames

Of course you wouldn't...that would be against your lame Flames Fan code or something.

What makes Brodie better than Petry, Marincin or Fayne? I think you over value him because of his partner and your love for Flames players.
- Jeropotato

http://www.extraskater.com/players/dashboard

What makes Brodie better than Petry, Marincin or Fayne? I think you over value him because of his partner and your love for Flames players.
- Jeropotato

Petry 17 points -22 in 80 games
Brodie 31 points, even in 81 games
I wonder who is better
Oh and your golden boy marincin was on pace for 12 points

Petry 17 points -22 in 80 games
Brodie 31 points, even in 81 games
I wonder who is better
Oh and your golden boy marincin was on pace for 12 points
- Bigern4MVP

How would those guys look with Giordano?

What makes Brodie better than Petry, Marincin or Fayne? I think you over value him because of his partner and your love for Flames players.
- Jeropotato

Hm.
- Gio was out 18 games last year, so your partner argument kinda goes down in Flames (pun intended)
Brodie despite being in just his 3rd season (really, 2nd in terms of games played):
- was an even player to Petry's -22, and Fayne's -5 (not a big diff with Fayne)
- more points than either player (actually, 1 short of having as many points as both Fayne and Petry combined)
- played top pair minutes all season last year with either/both Wideman and Gio in the lineup
- 2 years younger than Petry, 3 years younger than Fayne and was more productive than either player. Think of what he could be in 2-3 years.

You cannot throw a player like Marincin into the convo as he has not played regular NHL minutes. Hell, Wotherspoon may end up being as valuable a dman as Marincin, but who knows at this point?

Point being, you can keep both Petry and Fayne, I wouldn't put them in the Flames lineup over Brodie at this stage of their relative careers.

What makes Brodie better than Petry, Marincin or Fayne? I think you over value him because of his partner and your love for Flames players.
- Jeropotato

The other thing that makes the Flames defence better is just their overall experience. If you totalled the man games up Calgary's D would slaughter the Oilers in this department.

It takes a while to learn how to play D in the NHL. Most of the Oilers D just haven't had the time to figure that out yet.

How would those guys look with Giordano?
- Jeropotato

Petry would probably hold Gio back and force him to be less dynamic. Guys like Gio need to be able to depend on their partner, not cover up for them. Picture Dion when he was in Calgary, that guy held back our D core more than he helped, because he was/is not a very good defenceman. He could hit, he could shoot, but that guy is at the side of the net with his stick on the ice when so many goals go in, I was happy to see him leave town.

Fayne would be a solid dman to team up alongside Gio, but I don't think the offense or the skating is on par with Brodie. He is a good shutdown type dman though

How would those guys look with Giordano?
- Jeropotato

Certainly a case can be made for that.....Giordano was on the ice with Brodie 50% of the time last year (you can look that up on extra skater as well). Not only that but when Giordano was hurt last year Brodie stepped up and carried the load. He still has room to grow as well.

[quote=The-O-G]Pouliot and Purcell, come on man. Those guys haven't even played a game in an Oilers uniform. I think the jury is still out on how well those bumholes will do. Perron I would agree, but he's pretty young himself. I wouldn't really call him a vet yet but he is getting close.

Your Eakins banter is just pure hearsay as well. You'd think he would improve I agree, but maybe it goes south and he can't turn the team around either? He's proven nothing so far so i'm not going to rush to any conclusions on that one either.


"This is true...but I think we can expect progress with Eakins, I'm sure he learned alot, will be better, and veteran NHL coaches are not born that way."



This is what I said, and in no way do I think Eakins is the better coach...but he was a rookie coach on a fundamentally flawed team. All I expect from Eakins is that he is not too arrogant to not learn from his mistakes and be better this year. Ramsey is a solid add that should help him as well.

And your right...Poulliot and Purcell might not gel with anyone, especially when we dont have the glut of centers to mix and match. Poulliot I'm sure,can do his job with basically anyone, Purcell,I'm not so sure it will be as easy, but they are both still quality NHL'ers that will help, not hinder,the Oilers in the long run. As far as gelling, we know a couple of things work, like the Hall, RNH, Ebs line could be a top 5 line in the NHL as early as this year if they can keep the momentum going from last year, Gordon and Hendricks are great together in a shut down role, and Petry/Marincin played excellent together as well in the last half (not top pair excellent, but 2nd pair excellent). Hopefully Eakins doesn't need too much time to figure the lines out.

New blog.

Petry 17 points -22 in 80 games
Brodie 31 points, even in 81 games
I wonder who is better
Oh and your golden boy marincin was on pace for 12 points
- Bigern4MVP

Ah that rare guy who follows possession statst but peppers in +/- when it suits his argument

Going into this season, I see:

Giordano

215 country miles

Every other oilers and flames defensemen

Of course you wouldn't...that would be against your lame Flames Fan code or something.
- Jeropotato

I don't think the Flames know what they have or don't have in Ramo.

Hiller is a proven NHL starting goalie though, so he has a leg up over Scrivens and Ramo both.

Both Ramo and Scrivens played well at times last year. The most exciting part for Oilers fans is that Scrivens' "give a cr@p meter" went into overdrive last year, so that bodes well for them this year!

http://www.extraskater.com/players/dashboard
Look at who is number one and number seven
This is why the flames defense is 10x better
- Bigern4MVP

Add #13 to that and you have why we were and likely still are a better team.

What makes Brodie better than Petry, Marincin or Fayne? I think you over value him because of his partner and your love for Flames players.
- Jeropotato

dont hate bro, just look at the stats. Surs hes better with Gio but he drives possession on his own as well.

dont hate bro, just look at the stats. Surs hes better with Gio but he drives possession on his own as well.
- TandA4Flames

Yeah, I take it back, Brodie is a quality player, but I don't see him as miles ahead of Petry.Better? Probably, but he is as much a benefactor of a good system and D partner as Petry is a victim of a poorer one.