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MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Jul 9 @ 10:41 AM ET
They don't have cap problems!!!!
- Jsaquella



What were the Cap problems that stopped them from re-signing Carle?
Tomahawk
Location: Driver's Seat: Mitch Marner bandwagon. Grab 'em by the Corsi.
Joined: 02.04.2009

Jul 9 @ 10:42 AM ET
its also the culture of Canadian hockey in general to look down on anyone that speaks out or self promotes.
- twotoekenn


The sport loves to punish brash non-conformists... PK Subban, Mike Ribeiro, Ray Emery, Josh Ho Sang, Evander Kane, etc.
MrBigglesworth
Location: PA
Joined: 01.30.2008

Jul 9 @ 10:44 AM ET
Bill
Whats up with Jacob De Serres?
Tomahawk
Location: Driver's Seat: Mitch Marner bandwagon. Grab 'em by the Corsi.
Joined: 02.04.2009

Jul 9 @ 10:45 AM ET
What were the Cap problems that stopped them from re-signing Carle?
- MJL


http://www.hockeybuzz.com/blog.php?post_id=44847
J35Bacher
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Philadelphia, PA
Joined: 04.03.2014

Jul 9 @ 10:47 AM ET
These are the two names I can't seem to shake myself.
- SuperSchennBros



If we can't move Vinny I would go with this if I could be gm. I know it shows over cap but once Pronger is LTIR then it is compliant.




CAPGEEK.COM ARMCHAIR GM ROSTER
CapGeek Armchair GM Roster
FORWARDS
Evander Kane ($5.250m) / Claude Giroux ($8.275m) / Jakub Voracek ($4.250m)
Michael Raffl ($1.100m) / Vincent Lecavalier ($4.500m) / Wayne Simmonds ($3.975m)
R.J. Umberger ($4.600m) / Sean Couturier ($1.750m) / Matt Read ($3.625m)
Pierre-Edouard Bellemare ($0.600m) / Scott Laughton ($0.863m) / Blair Jones ($0.600m)
Zac Rinaldo ($0.750m) /
DEFENSEMEN
Kimmo Timonen ($2.000m) / Zach Bogosian ($5.143m)
Mark Streit ($5.250m) / Nicklas Grossmann ($3.500m)
Mark Alt ($0.782m) / Andrew MacDonald ($5.000m)
Chris Pronger ($4.941m) / Nick Schultz ($1.250m)
GOALTENDERS
Steve Mason ($4.100m)
Ray Emery ($1.000m)
BUYOUTS
Daniel Briere ($0.000m)
Ilya Bryzgalov ($0.000m)
BONUS OVERAGE
$345,000
------
CAPGEEK.COM TOTALS (follow @capgeek on Twitter)
(estimations for 2014-15)
SALARY CAP: $69,000,000; CAP PAYROLL: $73,449,286; BONUSES: $1,830,833
CAP SPACE (23-man roster): -$4,449,286
jmatchett383
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Newark, DE
Joined: 03.09.2010

Jul 9 @ 10:49 AM ET
Banking on and succeeding at doing so, are vastly different birds.

Let's look back at that summer, shall we? Suter was widely expected to end up with Minnesota. It wasn't like "Suter's ex-girlfriend lives in Minneosta and she's been calling him lately" but a pretty well known situation where Suter and Parise both wanted to play in Minnesota.

As for Weber, he was a RFA. For all the wonderful aspects of that, only TWO RFA hit with an offer sheet have left their original teams. One was Chris Gratton, the other was Dustin Penner. Both were disappointments and neither was a franchise type player.

Just because the Flyers were pursuing those guys, the reality is, they were not very likely to land either.

I mean, I'm pursuing financial independence and being able to spend my days fishing and drinking beer....but it's not likely to happen.

- Jsaquella


That has nothing to do with the length of Carle's contract. They decided to pursue 2 different guys at that time. Had they kept Carle, they likely would have locked him up, and had he hit UFA this year, he'd likely be getting $6M for 6 years.
jmatchett383
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Newark, DE
Joined: 03.09.2010

Jul 9 @ 10:51 AM ET
http://www.hockeybuzz.com/blog.php?post_id=44847
- Tomahawk


Never happened. All heresay.
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Jul 9 @ 10:51 AM ET
http://www.hockeybuzz.com/blog.php?post_id=44847
- Tomahawk



Did you even read it? Cap issues did not stop the Flyers from re-signing Matt Carle. They obviously couldn't come to an agreement during the season, and the Flyers went ahead and re-upped Grossmann. And one thing about tagging space, you can always creat some when needed.
wolfhounds
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: dicky seamus, PA
Joined: 06.02.2009

Jul 9 @ 10:52 AM ET
Thanks, Bill, love reading about the Flyers blue line prospects.

Is Pitbull Pettersson playing for the Phantoms this coming season?
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Jul 9 @ 10:52 AM ET
If we can't move Vinny I would go with this if I could be gm. I know it shows over cap but once Pronger is LTIR then it is compliant.




CAPGEEK.COM ARMCHAIR GM ROSTER
CapGeek Armchair GM Roster
FORWARDS
Evander Kane ($5.250m) / Claude Giroux ($8.275m) / Jakub Voracek ($4.250m)
Michael Raffl ($1.100m) / Vincent Lecavalier ($4.500m) / Wayne Simmonds ($3.975m)
R.J. Umberger ($4.600m) / Sean Couturier ($1.750m) / Matt Read ($3.625m)
Pierre-Edouard Bellemare ($0.600m) / Scott Laughton ($0.863m) / Blair Jones ($0.600m)
Zac Rinaldo ($0.750m) /
DEFENSEMEN
Kimmo Timonen ($2.000m) / Zach Bogosian ($5.143m)
Mark Streit ($5.250m) / Nicklas Grossmann ($3.500m)
Mark Alt ($0.782m) / Andrew MacDonald ($5.000m)
Chris Pronger ($4.941m) / Nick Schultz ($1.250m)
GOALTENDERS
Steve Mason ($4.100m)
Ray Emery ($1.000m)
BUYOUTS
Daniel Briere ($0.000m)
Ilya Bryzgalov ($0.000m)
BONUS OVERAGE
$345,000
------
CAPGEEK.COM TOTALS (follow @capgeek on Twitter)
(estimations for 2014-15)
SALARY CAP: $69,000,000; CAP PAYROLL: $73,449,286; BONUSES: $1,830,833
CAP SPACE (23-man roster): -$4,449,286

- J35Bacher



They'd have to waive and demote Rinaldo coming out of camp.
Rocktane
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Ottawa, ON
Joined: 03.08.2011

Jul 9 @ 10:52 AM ET
If they can't move VL, I would re-sign Hall, waive Rosehill and go with the following:

Schenn-G-Jake
Raffl-VL-Read
Umberger-Couturier-Simmonds
PEB-Hall-Rinaldo or Akeson

Thoughts?

- BiggE


The only change I would make would be switch Read and Umberger. Read/Couturier/Simmonds would be the 2nd line, Raffl/Vinny/Umberger would be the 3rd line. I think Couturier with those wingers and more ice time would start to blossom offensively. Vinny still gets two 2-way wingers, and less responsibility in Berube's system while remaining a centre.
Rocktane
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Ottawa, ON
Joined: 03.08.2011

Jul 9 @ 10:54 AM ET
its also the culture of Canadian hockey in general to look down on anyone that speaks out or self promotes.
- twotoekenn


Ever lived in Canada? First hand knowledge would help back a statement like this up.
Feanor
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: DE
Joined: 02.13.2013

Jul 9 @ 10:55 AM ET
Opens up a nice spot on the 4th line for VL
- PhillySportsGuy


They might also be thinking about playing Raffl as the 4C.
J35Bacher
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Philadelphia, PA
Joined: 04.03.2014

Jul 9 @ 10:57 AM ET
They'd have to waive and demote Rinaldo coming out of camp.
- MJL



Yes. That's correct.

MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Jul 9 @ 10:57 AM ET
The sport loves to punish brash non-conformists... PK Subban, Mike Ribeiro, Ray Emery, Josh Ho Sang, Evander Kane, etc.
- Tomahawk



Granted it was a 30 second interview, but during the draft, Ho sang didn't seem to be a bad kid.
Tomahawk
Location: Driver's Seat: Mitch Marner bandwagon. Grab 'em by the Corsi.
Joined: 02.04.2009

Jul 9 @ 10:57 AM ET
And one thing about tagging space, you can always creat some when needed.
- MJL


?
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Jul 9 @ 10:58 AM ET
?
- Tomahawk



Nope, not hard to do.
jmatchett383
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Newark, DE
Joined: 03.09.2010

Jul 9 @ 10:58 AM ET
?
- Tomahawk


Just put Giroux on waivers.
wolfhounds
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: dicky seamus, PA
Joined: 06.02.2009

Jul 9 @ 10:59 AM ET
Just put Giroux on waivers.
- jmatchett383


And Coburn. Shake things up a bit...that's how you get things done.
J35Bacher
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Philadelphia, PA
Joined: 04.03.2014

Jul 9 @ 11:00 AM ET
I really hope this Vinny thing gets taken care of soon. The more I think about it the more I want this team ready to go once camp begins. I think if he is still around he will be a pro but the media will question it every day about the trade rumors and stuff.

Tomahawk
Location: Driver's Seat: Mitch Marner bandwagon. Grab 'em by the Corsi.
Joined: 02.04.2009

Jul 9 @ 11:00 AM ET
Just put Giroux on waivers.
- jmatchett383


jmatchett383
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Newark, DE
Joined: 03.09.2010

Jul 9 @ 11:01 AM ET

- Tomahawk


Well, I mean...you COULD, right?
Streit2ThePoint
Seattle Kraken
Location: it's disgusting how good you are at hockeybuzz.
Joined: 09.20.2013

Jul 9 @ 11:01 AM ET
I really hope this Vinny thing gets taken care of soon. The more I think about it the more I want this team ready to go once camp begins. I think if he is still around he will be a pro but the media will question it every day about the trade rumors and stuff.
- J35Bacher


I'm tired of talking about it. The horse died 2 months ago, let him RIP
Tomahawk
Location: Driver's Seat: Mitch Marner bandwagon. Grab 'em by the Corsi.
Joined: 02.04.2009

Jul 9 @ 11:02 AM ET
Ouch:

http://www.ontheforecheck...nt-need-vincent-lecavlier
vejim
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: FL
Joined: 07.08.2007

Jul 9 @ 11:02 AM ET
?
- Tomahawk

memories of Michel Larocque
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