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Giroux_Is_God
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: CLASS DISMISSED
Joined: 12.15.2011

Jul 9 @ 5:32 PM ET
in this instance i prefer the original. it's funnier.
- hammarby31

Novella is almost nutella

I like nutella
flyer_nutter
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Unleash the Peanuts, MB
Joined: 10.16.2008

Jul 9 @ 5:32 PM ET
I look forward to pre-season.

Where instead of endlessly debating BS, we can actually see the BS with our own eyes.

jmatchett383
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Newark, DE
Joined: 03.09.2010

Jul 9 @ 5:32 PM ET
So without drafted, we cannot have a core?
- SuperSchennBros


No, because we spend all of our money on high-priced UFAs. Try reading Bill's blog, it may explain some things to you.
flyer_nutter
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Unleash the Peanuts, MB
Joined: 10.16.2008

Jul 9 @ 5:33 PM ET
Novella is almost nutella

I like nutella

- Giroux_Is_God


Solid choice.

Constipates the best of us in high doses, but I'd be down for a rectal probe if I could down 2 jars without worry.
jmatchett383
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Newark, DE
Joined: 03.09.2010

Jul 9 @ 5:33 PM ET
I look forward to pre-season.

Where instead of endlessly debating BS, we can actually see the BS with our own eyes.


- flyer_nutter


Oh, that will only intensify the debate.
jmatchett383
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Newark, DE
Joined: 03.09.2010

Jul 9 @ 5:34 PM ET
Solid choice.

Constipates the best of us in high doses, but I'd be down for a rectal probe if I could down 2 jars without worry.

- flyer_nutter


You're an icky pants
SuperSchennBros
Location: Not protected by the Mods...I mean Mob. Take your best shot!
Joined: 09.01.2012

Jul 9 @ 5:34 PM ET
Oh, my bad. I totally forgot that Giroux, Shea Weber, Henrik Lundqvist, Martin St. Louis, PK Subban, Ryan Getzlaf, Jamie Benn, Erik Karlsson, Anze Kopitar, Jonathan Quick, Pekka Rinne, Mike Richards, Jeff Carter, Brent Seabrook, Zach Parise, Corey Perry, Patric Bergeron, Pavel Datsyuk, Henrike Zetterberg, and the great Shayne Gostisbehere were all drafted outside of the top-10
- jmatchett383

All you're doing is twisting what I'm saying.

I've simply said we need another player of impact, which is separate from Hextall's approach to drafted. If you've been watching my posts nearly as closely as you've claimed, I've said numerous times that I'm happy with the draft but unhappy with Hartnell/Umburger trade and no moves have made since.

So it's really not my problem if you're taking my words, twisting them and making things up.
jmatchett383
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Newark, DE
Joined: 03.09.2010

Jul 9 @ 5:34 PM ET
All you're doing is twisting what I'm saying.

I've simply said we need another player of impact, which is separate from Hextall's approach to drafted. If you've been watching my posts nearly as closely as you've claimed, I've said numerous times that I'm happy with the draft but unhappy with Hartnell/Umburger trade and no moves have made since.

So it's really not my problem if you're taking my words, twisting them and making things up.

- SuperSchennBros


I KNEW IT! YOU'RE MJL!!!
Giroux_Is_God
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: CLASS DISMISSED
Joined: 12.15.2011

Jul 9 @ 5:34 PM ET
What do you mean? Ray Emery faced pretty tough competition in his own right. In fact Emery faced the defending champions at the time both times we faced them and beat them once.
- SuperSchennBros

Come on now, man...

Emery held his own, sure, and even did so on some nights against tough teams. He did seem to get some bad draws, didn't he?

But he also was exposed; particularly his lateral movement.

But I dunno what you're getting at. If you're playing Devil's Advocate, you're doing a very poor job, because anyone that watched this team even a little bit saw that Mason was a rock back there, making huge save after huge save. We haven't had a goalie play like he did last year that I remember in my lifetime, albeit relatively short.
flyer_nutter
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Unleash the Peanuts, MB
Joined: 10.16.2008

Jul 9 @ 5:35 PM ET
All you're doing is twisting what I'm saying.

I've simply said we need another player of impact, which is separate from Hextall's approach to drafted. If you've been watching my posts nearly as closely as you've claimed, I've said numerous times that I'm happy with the draft but unhappy with Hartnell/Umburger trade and no moves have made since.

So it's really not my problem if you're taking my words, twisting them and making things up.

- SuperSchennBros


Please. For (frank)s sake. Its Umberger.

Unless you are spelling it that way on purpose. In which case I will take my truculence elsewhere. It's almost as bad as "Colburn".
jmatchett383
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Newark, DE
Joined: 03.09.2010

Jul 9 @ 5:35 PM ET
Come on now, man...

Emery held his own, sure, and even did so on some nights against tough teams. He did seem to get some bad draws, didn't he?

But he also was exposed; particularly his lateral movement.

But I dunno what you're getting at. If you're playing Devil's Advocate, you're doing a very poor job, because anyone that watched this team even a little bit saw that Mason was a rock back there, making huge save after huge save. We haven't had a goalie play like he did last year that I remember in my lifetime, albeit relatively short.

- Giroux_Is_God


The last one was probably Checmanek (spelling???) back in the early 00's. Extremely underrated goalie.
FlyersSteve118
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Delco, PA
Joined: 10.02.2013

Jul 9 @ 5:36 PM ET
So without drafted, we cannot have a core?
- SuperSchennBros


Hopefully in a couple years we will have a core group of Giroux/Couts leading our forwards and hopefully 2 of Ghost/Morin/Hagg/Sanheim/Alt will be impact defensemen. There is a reason we are trying to change the direction of our team right now. The way we have been doing business is really not working.

I think if the Flyers do pretty bad next year you might see a trade to move up to the #1 or 2 pick in the draft and a rebuild start to happen.
hammarby31
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: it's been 84 years, AZ
Joined: 01.02.2007

Jul 9 @ 5:36 PM ET
speaking of new hats, here's ducks' goalie, john gibson's:

jmatchett383
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Newark, DE
Joined: 03.09.2010

Jul 9 @ 5:36 PM ET
Please. For (frank)s sake. Its Umberger.

Unless you are spelling it that way on purpose. In which case I will take my truculence elsewhere. It's almost as bad as "Colburn".

- flyer_nutter


"Wayne Simmins"
tangent_man
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: South Jersey
Joined: 11.28.2007

Jul 9 @ 5:36 PM ET
Solid choice.

Constipates the best of us in high doses, but I'd be down for a rectal probe if I could down 2 jars without worry.

- flyer_nutter


Word on the street is that it wouldn't even take two jars; 2 bucks should do it.
SuperSchennBros
Location: Not protected by the Mods...I mean Mob. Take your best shot!
Joined: 09.01.2012

Jul 9 @ 5:37 PM ET
No, because we spend all of our money on high-priced UFAs. Try reading Bill's blog, it may explain some things to you.
- jmatchett383


We have a core. I don't need Bill to do my thinking for more, thanks.

Take example the rumours of Simmonds plus for the first pick overall. The First pick probably could have been ours. We could have DRAFTED Aaron Ekblad but we refused to give up Simmonds which we did not draft....who is apart of our core.

Make sense?
Giroux_Is_God
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: CLASS DISMISSED
Joined: 12.15.2011

Jul 9 @ 5:38 PM ET
Solid choice.

Constipates the best of us in high doses, but I'd be down for a rectal probe if I could down 2 jars without worry.

- flyer_nutter

Step 1: Toast 2 pieces of bread
Step 2: Slap some nutella on one of those mother(frank)ers
Step 3: Slap some peanut butter on the other one of those mother(frank)ers
Step 4: Place bread together, taking care that the peanut butter and nutella are on the inside of the sammich; that is, be sure the sammich looks like a traditional sammich
Step 5: Consume the food of the gods

**If you're feeling saucy, put some strawberry jam or grape jelly in there too***
flyer_nutter
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Unleash the Peanuts, MB
Joined: 10.16.2008

Jul 9 @ 5:39 PM ET
Not bad on the Gibson mask. Much better than Mason's Zombie theme. Not a fan of that one.

If he struggles next season, first step is to get a new one.
Giroux_Is_God
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: CLASS DISMISSED
Joined: 12.15.2011

Jul 9 @ 5:39 PM ET
speaking of new hats, here's ducks' goalie, john gibson's:


- hammarby31

That's awesome.

I hate how their called hats btw

John Gibson man- tough to not like him so far
flyer_nutter
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Unleash the Peanuts, MB
Joined: 10.16.2008

Jul 9 @ 5:40 PM ET
Word on the street is that it wouldn't even take two jars; 2 bucks should do it.
- tangent_man


Come down and visit me at the hospital.

I'll do it for free
hammarby31
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: it's been 84 years, AZ
Joined: 01.02.2007

Jul 9 @ 5:40 PM ET
Come on now, man...

Emery held his own, sure, and even did so on some nights against tough teams. He did seem to get some bad draws, didn't he?

But he also was exposed; particularly his lateral movement.

But I dunno what you're getting at. If you're playing Devil's Advocate, you're doing a very poor job, because anyone that watched this team even a little bit saw that Mason was a rock back there, making huge save after huge save. We haven't had a goalie play like he did last year that I remember in my lifetime, albeit relatively short.

- Giroux_Is_God


emery was great at times last year. in a road game against the devils in january, i saw live, they blew a 1 goal lead in the final minute with marty pulled (even though the flyers were on a (frank)ing pp), but they won in ot. they don't win that game without emery that night. he was fantastic. in general, he got almost zero goal support. tough to win that way.

mason was great, overall, last season. i think he can be even better. i'd love to see his numbers be more like 2.25 and .925...not that numbers mean everything because they don't.
Giroux_Is_God
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: CLASS DISMISSED
Joined: 12.15.2011

Jul 9 @ 5:40 PM ET
The last one was probably Checmanek (spelling???) back in the early 00's. Extremely underrated goalie.
- jmatchett383

Yeah, as I was writing out the post I thought of him. His numbers were nasty in the regular season, but I was like 11 at that time and wasn't exactly watching the game as....intensely.... like I do now.
SuperSchennBros
Location: Not protected by the Mods...I mean Mob. Take your best shot!
Joined: 09.01.2012

Jul 9 @ 5:40 PM ET
Come on now, man...

Emery held his own, sure, and even did so on some nights against tough teams. He did seem to get some bad draws, didn't he?

But he also was exposed; particularly his lateral movement.

But I dunno what you're getting at. If you're playing Devil's Advocate, you're doing a very poor job, because anyone that watched this team even a little bit saw that Mason was a rock back there, making huge save after huge save. We haven't had a goalie play like he did last year that I remember in my lifetime, albeit relatively short.

- Giroux_Is_God

Was Steve Mason a top 10 goaltender in the league last year? He's young, it's not out of the question that he could get better but this doesn't erase his time with Columbus. He now has to reprove himself, where as Giroux doesn't.
jmatchett383
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Newark, DE
Joined: 03.09.2010

Jul 9 @ 5:41 PM ET
We have a core. I don't need Bill to do my thinking for more, thanks.

Take example the rumours of Simmonds plus for the first pick overall. The First pick probably could have been ours. We could have DRAFTED Aaron Ekblad but we refused to give up Simmonds which we did not draft....who is apart of our core.

Make sense?

- SuperSchennBros


Sooo...if we have a player who we know is good for 20+ goals, but we can give him away (plus another asset) to get a young player who has no record whatsoever at the pro level, we should act on that without hesitation?

Dude, Aaron Ekblad, in any other draft year, is probably in the 6 spot, MAYBE. Now, if it's a guy like DOughty or McDavid, then yeah. But no way would I trade Simmonds plus for Ekblad just because it saves money. That is HORRIBLE asset management.
Giroux_Is_God
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: CLASS DISMISSED
Joined: 12.15.2011

Jul 9 @ 5:41 PM ET
emery was great at times last year. in a road game against the devils in january, i saw live, they blew a 1 goal lead in the final minute with marty pulled (even though the flyers were on a (frank)ing pp), but they won in ot. they don't win that game without emery that night. he was fantastic. in general, he got almost zero goal support. tough to win that way.

mason was great, overall, last season. i think he can be even better. i'd love to see his numbers be more like 2.25 and .925...not that numbers mean everything because they don't.

- hammarby31

Completely agree on all your points. I remember the game you're talking about
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