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Giroux_Is_God
Philadelphia Flyers
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Jul 9 @ 5:24 PM ET
That's interesting. I think some on here might say Voracek, in which both cases I'd disagree. Girouxcould very well be a top three forward in the league. I'm so sure Mason or Voracek would be top 10 within their perspective positions.
- SuperSchennBros

Your refrain is "We can't win a Cup without another impact player, such as Giroux".

You've talked about bringing in a high octane winger, specifically.

You've talked about 1-2 punches the Flyers oh so desperately need.

"We need another impact player- one who has the "it factor" like Giroux."

Mason was unbelievable last year. He's the type of goalie that, in a perfect world, would be in consideration for the Vezina, because he was just as valuable to this team as Giroux.

The offense is driven by the success and play of G. The team is driven by the success and play from Mason.

He's an impact player. So there's your impact player you're looking for. That's the guy that's going to lead us to the Cup soon. He would have this year too, had he not gotten cheapshotted.
jmatchett383
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Newark, DE
Joined: 03.09.2010

Jul 9 @ 5:24 PM ET
STOP IT JUST STOP IT OKAY YOU ONLY GET AN IMPACT PLAYER IN THE TOP 10
- Giroux_Is_God


Oh, my bad. I totally forgot that Giroux, Shea Weber, Henrik Lundqvist, Martin St. Louis, PK Subban, Ryan Getzlaf, Jamie Benn, Erik Karlsson, Anze Kopitar, Jonathan Quick, Pekka Rinne, Mike Richards, Jeff Carter, Brent Seabrook, Zach Parise, Corey Perry, Patric Bergeron, Pavel Datsyuk, Henrike Zetterberg, and the great Shayne Gostisbehere were all drafted outside of the top-10
jmatchett383
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Newark, DE
Joined: 03.09.2010

Jul 9 @ 5:25 PM ET
Giroux is 26. How old will Giroux be once this player in question is drafted and reaches his prime?
- SuperSchennBros


Older than 26. Do you understand the concept of time?
Giroux_Is_God
Philadelphia Flyers
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Jul 9 @ 5:25 PM ET
Oh, my bad. I totally forgot that Giroux, Shea Weber, Henrik Lundqvist, Martin St. Louis, PK Subban, Ryan Getzlaf, Jamie Benn, Erik Karlsson, Anze Kopitar, Jonathan Quick, Pekka Rinne, Mike Richards, Jeff Carter, Brent Seabrook, Zach Parise, Corey Perry, Patric Bergeron, Pavel Datsyuk, Henrike Zetterberg, and the great Shayne Gostisbehere were all drafted outside of the top-10
- jmatchett383

Don't forget Kevin Marshall bro
hammarby31
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: it's been 84 years, AZ
Joined: 01.02.2007

Jul 9 @ 5:26 PM ET
You should just sit down and write a novel based on your take of how much you hate everything associated with the current Flyers management system and distribute it throughout hockeybuzz instead of posting novelettes 10 times a day.
- jmatchett383




i hate words that end in ette...or words that end with that sound. like packet, and leaflet, and toilette.
FlyersSteve118
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Delco, PA
Joined: 10.02.2013

Jul 9 @ 5:26 PM ET
I could make a list of impact players the Hawks have drafted to help win both their Cup in 2010 and 2013 if you'd like.
- SuperSchennBros


What does that have to do with anything? Only the core really matters when it comes to drafting.
jmatchett383
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Newark, DE
Joined: 03.09.2010

Jul 9 @ 5:26 PM ET
Don't forget Kevin Marshall bro
- Giroux_Is_God


oH d00d My BaD bRaH!
jmatchett383
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Newark, DE
Joined: 03.09.2010

Jul 9 @ 5:26 PM ET


i hate words that end in ette...or words that end with that sound. like packet, and leaflet, and toilette.

- hammarby31


Fine. Just for you, "novella."
jmatchett383
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Newark, DE
Joined: 03.09.2010

Jul 9 @ 5:26 PM ET
What does that have to do with anything? Only the core really matters when it comes to drafting.
- FlyersSteve118


Yeah, the Hawks drafted core superstar players like Hossa and Sharp, and fantastic role players like Handzus and Oduya.
Giroux_Is_God
Philadelphia Flyers
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Jul 9 @ 5:27 PM ET
Fine. Just for you, "novella."
- jmatchett383

I prefer short stories
SuperSchennBros
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Joined: 09.01.2012

Jul 9 @ 5:27 PM ET
Your refrain is "We can't win a Cup without another impact player, such as Giroux".

You've talked about bringing in a high octane winger, specifically.

You've talked about 1-2 punches the Flyers oh so desperately need.

"We need another impact player- one who has the "it factor" like Giroux."

Mason was unbelievable last year. He's the type of goalie that, in a perfect world, would be in consideration for the Vezina, because he was just as valuable to this team as Giroux.

The offense is driven by the success and play of G. The team is driven by the success and play from Mason.

He's an impact player. So there's your impact player you're looking for. That's the guy that's going to lead us to the Cup soon. He would have this year too, had he not gotten cheapshotted.

- Giroux_Is_God

In a perfect world...

Well since the world isn't perfect, would you say Steve Mason was a top 10 goalie in league last year?
jmatchett383
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Newark, DE
Joined: 03.09.2010

Jul 9 @ 5:27 PM ET
I prefer short stories
- Giroux_Is_God


Oh, there is a MAJOR difference.
SuperSchennBros
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Jul 9 @ 5:28 PM ET
What does that have to do with anything? Only the core really matters when it comes to drafting.
- FlyersSteve118

Who is our core within drafting?
jmatchett383
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Newark, DE
Joined: 03.09.2010

Jul 9 @ 5:28 PM ET
In a perfect world...

Well since the world isn't perfect, would you say Steve Mason was a top 10 goalie in league last year?

- SuperSchennBros


Based on the competition he faced, yes.
FlyersSteve118
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Delco, PA
Joined: 10.02.2013

Jul 9 @ 5:29 PM ET
Yeah, the Hawks drafted core superstar players like Hossa and Sharp, and fantastic role players like Handzus and Oduya.
- jmatchett383


Yeah, draft the core. Supplement with FA/trades. Go to model for winning the Cup right now.
Giroux_Is_God
Philadelphia Flyers
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Jul 9 @ 5:29 PM ET
In a perfect world...

Well since the world isn't perfect, would you say Steve Mason was a top 10 goalie in league last year?

- SuperSchennBros

I certainly would
hammarby31
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: it's been 84 years, AZ
Joined: 01.02.2007

Jul 9 @ 5:29 PM ET
Fine. Just for you, "novella."
- jmatchett383


in this instance i prefer the original. it's funnier.
jmatchett383
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Newark, DE
Joined: 03.09.2010

Jul 9 @ 5:29 PM ET
Who is our core within drafting?
- SuperSchennBros


We don't have one. We're trying to build one, which is what Hexy's plan is.

You are SO MUCH FUN to debate with.
Giroux_Is_God
Philadelphia Flyers
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Jul 9 @ 5:29 PM ET
Oh, there is a MAJOR difference.
- jmatchett383

Short stories are riveting and exciting, perhaps?
SuperSchennBros
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Jul 9 @ 5:29 PM ET
Based on the competition he faces, yes.
- jmatchett383

What do you mean? Ray Emery faced pretty tough competition in his own right. In fact Emery faced the defending champions at the time both times we faced them and beat them once.
jmatchett383
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Newark, DE
Joined: 03.09.2010

Jul 9 @ 5:30 PM ET
Yeah, draft the core. Supplement with FA/trades. Go to model for winning the Cup right now.
- FlyersSteve118


NO YOU ARE WRONG! YOU WIN BY EITHER DRAFTING ALL OF YOUR PLAYERS OR BY TRADING FOR THEM ALL!!!
SuperSchennBros
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Jul 9 @ 5:30 PM ET
We don't have one. We're trying to build one, which is what Hexy's plan is.

You are SO MUCH FUN to debate with.

- jmatchett383

So without drafted, we cannot have a core?
FlyersSteve118
Philadelphia Flyers
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Joined: 10.02.2013

Jul 9 @ 5:30 PM ET
Who is our core within drafting?
- SuperSchennBros


Because we are just the prime example of a cup contender out there?
FlyersSteve118
Philadelphia Flyers
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Joined: 10.02.2013

Jul 9 @ 5:31 PM ET
So without drafted, we cannot have a core?
- SuperSchennBros


Not a cup contending core, no.
jmatchett383
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Newark, DE
Joined: 03.09.2010

Jul 9 @ 5:31 PM ET
What do you mean? Ray Emery faced pretty tough competition in his own right. In fact Emery faced the defending champions at the time both times we faced them and beat them once.
- SuperSchennBros


Wow, he had a few good games. Nominate him for the Vezina now! Michael Leighton once had a shutout, why didn't he win the Hart?

The only reason the Flyers didn't start the season 0-15 is that Mason was playing out of his mind. And since we all know we have the worst defense ever, his stats are actually pretty damn amazing.
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