"I am told it is NOT JvR for Schenn."
- hankthetank

Kessel to Toronto NOT IMMINENT.

Your right in one way... the more money philly keeps, the more value it has for them. but the picks is backwards.

philly doesnt keep any money, no deal
philly keeps 1 mil, then philly only gives up a third
philly keeps 1.5, then maybe only a 5th... etc, etc. nashville doesnt need vinny in the least, he would be a luxury. calle j, wilson, etc could step up, derek roy is available at I am sure a discount rate, so forth an so on.
- ChrisMS

I am not saying Nashville needs Vinny, but the Flyers don't need to give him up... Vinny is better than Roy, no ifs ands or buts about it.
I am just saying of the free agents left, the only one who is prob better who you can get is that coke head, diver.

Honestly, I don't think they make this trade mainly due to the fact, both teams don't need to do it... but the preds will not be a playoff team this year without a guy like vinny, and I don't know if the flyers are a playoff team this year without a guy like vinny or even replacing him.

The only reason the Flyers would move vinny is because they are in a transition period and are trying to clear cap from slow players... I.E. Hartnell, who although was a lot better than RJ, his contract was long and he is close to half the speed of RJ (that last bit was a bit of an exaggeration).

Kessel to Toronto NOT IMMINENT.
- bcallaway

(sings Shania song)

If the Flyers did that that would be the most one sided trade in years.

We know vinny is old, slow and a bit injury prone, but he would be a number one centre on the Preds right now. The reason Philly wants to move him is they have too many centres. Heck, they have at least 4 guys who would be a 1 or 2 on the preds. The Flyers DO NOT need to move vinny. If they put Pronger on LTIR after training camp they can clear the cap, they just do not get as much relief...

Vinny put up 20 goals and almost 40 points in 69 games playing on all 4 lines and all positions last year, put that guy on the the 2 spot and he is gonna get closer to 30 and 50 if he remains healthy.

His 4.5 for 4 years seems bad, but if it was 4.5 for 2-3 years it would be a great deal. Heck, his price tag is an underpay for half the things you can see this year. I am looking at you Dave Bolland... 5.5 for 5 years with pretty much the same numbers (bit worse but he is younger so I give him a break) and a worse injury history.

If I was the Flyers, I would keep vinny, and build his value by giving him that 2nd line centre job and watch his numbers rise.

The real value of this deal would be something close to Vinny to the preds for a conditional 3rd in 2016. If the preds dont make the playoffs, that 3rd becomes a 4th..... now, if you think the flyers for some reason will keep money....

I say
500-900k gives philly that 3rd.
1mill to 1.3 gives philly that 3rd and a 5th in 2015.
1.4 to 1.7 gives philly that 3rd and a 4th in 2015
any higher and I say a 2nd in 2016 or two 3rds.
- mclovinhockey

Correct me if I am wrong but don't all teams need to become cap compliant before they are able to put anyone on LTIR?

If that's the case according to CapGeek they need to shed $3 Mil in salary.

Correct me if I am wrong but don't all teams need to become cap compliant before they are able to put anyone on LTIR?

If that's the case according to CapGeek they need to shed $3 Mil in salary.
- EastCoastOiler

they bury ahl eligible players every year that day and then recall them for the first game, paper transaction

Correct me if I am wrong but don't all teams need to become cap compliant before they are able to put anyone on LTIR?

If that's the case according to CapGeek they need to shed $3 Mil in salary.
- EastCoastOiler

100% correct. Thats where it gets a bit more tricky, but it would mainly be moving some players up and down in the minors.... For example, say the Flyers ask Grossmann to let them put him on waivers since no one will pick him up... It does not relieve all of his cap hit but it does a bit... call up a guy making the league minimum to replace him just for the time.... switch out waiver exempt players for cheaper guys as well... Flyers could be cap compliant, its just a bit annoying.

Vinny to Nashville for half of weber's salary
- Flyfreaky

Vinny to the Islanders for the rights to Rick DiPietro's buyout payments

Vinny is a has been He is done Anyone who takes him is a FOOL
- holeinone

This is the "does anyone want our overpaid, useless players?" A/K/A "can anyone teach me how to do arithmetic?" time of year.

Vinny to the Islanders for the rights to Rick DiPietro's buyout payments
- eichiefs9

All joking aside though, realistically he can't play center for us. He's simply not good enough anymore. Maybe if you put him on Tavares' line on the left side, he might be a sorry excuse for Moulson at this point. That's about it. Our defense is crap, but we have nine guys ahead of him up front, easily.

Vinny to the Islanders for the rights to Rick DiPietro's buyout payments
- eichiefs9

seem fair

seem fair
- Flyfreaky

We'll even pick up half of his hip.

That's mainly because it's laying on the floor and we'd have to pick it up just to give him to you, but still.

A has been doesn't score 20 goals with a back injury majority of the year while also being placed around every line
- arichardson22

He's simply too slow to play at that level he played at 10 years ago anymore, as far as I've seen...and that's for three or four years now, not just last season. In fairness, I don't know if he has been hurt that whole time or not, but he's dropped at least one tier in the hierarchy, that's for sure. Vinny LeCavalier putting up third line points simply isn't a good enough defensive player to be worth the money you have to pay him.

We'll even pick up half of his hip.

That's mainly because it's laying on the floor and we'd have to pick it up just to give him to you, but still.
- eichiefs9

in that case, we'll send you a copy of bryz's buyout diary

We'll even pick up half of his hip.

That's mainly because it's laying on the floor and we'd have to pick it up just to give him to you, but still.
- eichiefs9

....and if you call now, we'll throw in a couple of extra knees, guaranteed for at least 15 minutes after the next time he takes the ice.

He's simply too slow to play at that level he played at 10 years ago anymore, as far as I've seen...and that's for three or four years now, not just last season. In fairness, I don't know if he has been hurt that whole time or not, but he's dropped at least one tier in the hierarchy, that's for sure. Vinny LeCavalier putting up third line points simply isn't a good enough defensive player to be worth the money you have to pay him.
- dcb1

I'll take 40-50pt Vinny if they can't move his entire contract

it's not worth it if they have to retain salary, the purpose in moving him is to free up $ to sign other players

I'll take 40-50pt Vinny if they can't move his entire contract

it's not worth it if they have to retain salary, the purpose in moving him is to free up $ to sign other players
- Flyfreaky

"I am told it is NOT JvR for Schenn."
- hankthetank

"At times it feels like Yzerman's respect for the franchise as a LEGIT franchise is very debatable.

I know Yzerman just won gold for a second time and I always had so much respect for the guy as a player. But he has a job to do and with the exception of the Bishop trade what has he done since taking over for Brian Lawton....really? This is still Lawton's team."

Eklund - Feb. 27, 2014

http://www.hockeybuzz.com/blog.php?post_id=58269

in that case, we'll send you a copy of bryz's buyout diary
- Flyfreaky

Ahhh..."Make Buyout for Most Glorious Bear Bryz". I saw that on my Oprah's Book Club summer must-read list. I'd fancy a copy.

- glove_was_stuck

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Ahhh..."Make Buyout for Most Glorious Bear Bryz". I saw that on my Oprah's Book Club summer must-read list. I'd fancy a copy.
- eichiefs9

Gm to president... he doesnt have as much to do but yes, that is a promotion.

As for sacking him.... He made a few bad moves, JVR for Schenn... But overall he has made some moves that were actually a lot better than people think. Moving Bob for example, the move itself was not great, Flyers got back a guy who is talked about being the next Shattenkirk which for the little I watched him, Ghosts speed, and 2-way play could easily put him as a guy like PK Subban, much better on D just not physical at all which is kinda a bad.... they also got Stolie, who I am not sold on but might be the Flyers back up in a few years.... overall he ended up making another trade and getting Mase for Leighton which Mase and Bob are pretty even, so with the other things in that deal, I give those two trades to Philly.

Richards to LA... Flyers got Simmonds (more points that richards each year since coming over and playing less time) Schenn, guy who has a lot of potential but may or may not ever tap into it. Also a pick they moved for Grossmann who is a decent depth D.... LA got a guy who helped them to two cups... one as a 2nd line, another as a 4th liner... Without this trade, I think Philly is bottom 5 in the league the past two years... LA actually might be looking at 3 cups with how much better simmonds is than richards at grinding and how much less he is. Philly wins that deal but LA still managed to come out on top two years so they got what they want.

Carter to the Jackets... Flyers get Coots, Voracek and Cousins.... Coots is a top 10 in the league 2-way player and he is just 21... being able to shut down Crosby and Malkin in the same game while only being 21 and making it look easy... He alone was worth Carter, who at the time, was just a one dimensional player. Voracek who is pretty much even with Carter in points every year even though he is just a playmaker. Carter would later be delt to LA where he helped the Kings win 2 cups... one as a 2nd liner, one as a 3rd liner... without this deal philly would be getting their butt kicked daily by most teams top players, specially with this D, the jackets prob advance to round 2 this year... maybe even give the rangers a better series... Philly killed the jackets in that trade as well.
- mclovinhockey

We really needed a defenseman not another winger at the time. JVR and LSchenn had equal potential at the time. LSchenn isn't bad, its just that JVR had a break out season after leaving. JVR may have needed a change of local before breaking out.

The other Schenn, BSchenn. Do you realize that he had 9 more goals (total 20g)than Richards and equal amount of pts. BSchenn did this on a lower line, playing with a slumping Vinny. And, he saw limited PP time - where as Simmonds got many of his goals cherry picking at the net on the first line PP. So, even if BSchenn levels off - his current level is above average.

e5
- Flyfreaky

Eklund: Mike Fisher hurt...Vinny? Podcast at 1pm talk Rumos, Flyers and Stars
- Eklund

Nobody wants Lecavalier

Nobody wants Lecavalier
- Reveen

the oilers need someone to mentor all those young studs

unless they are getting quality back for vinny (more than the hartnell trade) i say keep him. and play him at center. he will score 20-25 goals and provide some size in the middle. do not give him away