Vinny is a has been He is done Anyone who takes him is a FOOL
- holeinone

This coming from a lightning fan at the time he signed in Philly I thought he had two or 3 years left! But 4.5 for 5 years terrible contract!

EK, any news on the OV to Nashville rumor?

http://www.hockeybuzz.com/blog.php?post_id=12395
- Pea-Brain

Gotta say, there are some legs to this rumor.

Gotta say, there are some legs to this rumor.
- bcallaway

Dreger reporting approximately 2 per each player involved.

Gotta say, there are some legs to this rumor.
- bcallaway

E5 Ovechkin to Nashville for Suter+ ( )

No offense Ek but the Preds still hold all of the power. There are cheaper options out there. Derek Roy and Mike Ribeiro are also options. They are also on the decline but the Preds won't be on the hook for 4 more seasons.
- TimBits

How do you figure? VL still had 20 goals, which was a lot more than Roy. Bonny can still play. I'd rather the flyers try Schenn at wing and keep Vinny as your second line center!!! I have no issues for 4.5 million per year with 20 goals on a new team who slumped like the Flyers did in their first 20 games.

Holmgren should be sacked, not promoted.
- gtrman09

Getting bumped to another "upper title" is a demotion.
It means not being allowed to actually do things that affect player personnel, contracts etc.

That being said, I would gladly take his new job and so would most of you out there, and not have to be responsible for things going wrong. People will let you speak but they wont take your advice

Curious as to why you always quit updating your rumor chart the day after FA starts Ek. Last update to any player on your list was July 2nd.

Unless Philly is getting something decent back I'd hold on to him. Give him top 6 mins and watch him thrive. I'd rather keep Vinny than retain any salary. If Nashville wants to go into the season with Oli Jokinen as their top center, good luck with that! Vinny is not the 100 point guy he was at tampa, he was bought out because he was making the kind of money a 100 point player would make. 4.5 mill for 20 goals and 50 points is fair to me considering last season guys in the 50 point range were making 5-6 mill(Carter, Hartnell, Elias, M.Koivu are a couple of names on that list). 4 more years may be too long but who knows. Jagr's body is still holding at NHL level at 43 years old, Alfredsson at 41, who is to say Vinny's can't hold until 38. It isn't like Skill goes away with age. His contract is frontloaded so he only makes 3 mill in the last 2 seasons making him a cheap buyout is necessary.

The fact Vinny scored 20 goals despite playing 8 mins a game is proof he can do more. Flyers would rather play Schenn at C but they can move him at wing if they have to. The Flyers are fine Cap wise as they can put Pronger on LTIR on the last day of training camp giving them 1.8 mill to work with. They don't have to move him, Vinny would likely be happier elsewhere where he is guaranteed top 6 minutes but unless the right deal is there he will be staying

Any updates on Claude Giroux for Shea Weber?
- watsonnostaw

How do you figure? VL still had 20 goals, which was a lot more than Roy. Bonny can still play. I'd rather the flyers try Schenn at wing and keep Vinny as your second line center!!! I have no issues for 4.5 million per year with 20 goals on a new team who slumped like the Flyers did in their first 20 games.
- BernieKorch

Vinny might be a superior player (slightly superior) but he's not worth it for the Preds. 4 more years at 4.5 per. No way. Sign a cheap free agent for a one year contract.

EK, any news on the OV to Nashville rumor?

http://www.hockeybuzz.com/blog.php?post_id=12395
- Pea-Brain

"I am told it is NOT JvR for Schenn."

If Nash didn't want the spotlight where he played, he shouldn't have signed a superstar contract and chased money when he's only scored over 70pts one time in his NHL career... that's a Bryz contract right there.

We don't have a 2nd rounder. And we aren't holding a million.
- hereticpride

ya, you're holding 2.25

Flyers should just be happy to get his crazy salary off the books. Maybe a 3nd round pick if they pay half his salary.

ya, you're holding 2.25
- TheNugeIsHuge

According to the cba the most they can hold is half the remaining cash owed which is 1.7 and change

How do you figure? VL still had 20 goals, which was a lot more than Roy. Bonny can still play. I'd rather the flyers try Schenn at wing and keep Vinny as your second line center!!! I have no issues for 4.5 million per year with 20 goals on a new team who slumped like the Flyers did in their first 20 games.
- BernieKorch

And that's playing on the second 5 on 4 pp unit

Vinny is a has been He is done Anyone who takes him is a FOOL
- holeinone

A has been doesn't score 20 goals with a back injury majority of the year while also being placed around every line

I say keep him. Let him play while healthy and see if he improves so we can flip him at the deadline for a cup contending team looking to add depth or team who has injuries

Holmgren should be sacked, not promoted.
- gtrman09

If you think that was a promotion then I have some swamp land to see you

to nash, vinny 2015 2nd
to philly, 2015 5th

philly holds 1 per year.
- ChrisMS

If the Flyers did that that would be the most one sided trade in years.

We know vinny is old, slow and a bit injury prone, but he would be a number one centre on the Preds right now. The reason Philly wants to move him is they have too many centres. Heck, they have at least 4 guys who would be a 1 or 2 on the preds. The Flyers DO NOT need to move vinny. If they put Pronger on LTIR after training camp they can clear the cap, they just do not get as much relief...

Vinny put up 20 goals and almost 40 points in 69 games playing on all 4 lines and all positions last year, put that guy on the the 2 spot and he is gonna get closer to 30 and 50 if he remains healthy.

His 4.5 for 4 years seems bad, but if it was 4.5 for 2-3 years it would be a great deal. Heck, his price tag is an underpay for half the things you can see this year. I am looking at you Dave Bolland... 5.5 for 5 years with pretty much the same numbers (bit worse but he is younger so I give him a break) and a worse injury history.

If I was the Flyers, I would keep vinny, and build his value by giving him that 2nd line centre job and watch his numbers rise.

The real value of this deal would be something close to Vinny to the preds for a conditional 3rd in 2016. If the preds dont make the playoffs, that 3rd becomes a 4th..... now, if you think the flyers for some reason will keep money....

I say
500-900k gives philly that 3rd.
1mill to 1.3 gives philly that 3rd and a 5th in 2015.
1.4 to 1.7 gives philly that 3rd and a 4th in 2015
any higher and I say a 2nd in 2016 or two 3rds.

We don't have a 2nd rounder. And we aren't holding a million.
- hereticpride

then your stuck with vinny. I think a third might work

If the Flyers did that that would be the most one sided trade in years.

We know vinny is old, slow and a bit injury prone, but he would be a number one centre on the Preds right now. The reason Philly wants to move him is they have too many centres. Heck, they have at least 4 guys who would be a 1 or 2 on the preds. The Flyers DO NOT need to move vinny. If they put Pronger on LTIR after training camp they can clear the cap, they just do not get as much relief...

Vinny put up 20 goals and almost 40 points in 69 games playing on all 4 lines and all positions last year, put that guy on the the 2 spot and he is gonna get closer to 30 and 50 if he remains healthy.

His 4.5 for 4 years seems bad, but if it was 4.5 for 2-3 years it would be a great deal. Heck, his price tag is an underpay for half the things you can see this year. I am looking at you Dave Bolland... 5.5 for 5 years with pretty much the same numbers (bit worse but he is younger so I give him a break) and a worse injury history.

If I was the Flyers, I would keep vinny, and build his value by giving him that 2nd line centre job and watch his numbers rise.

The real value of this deal would be something close to Vinny to the preds for a conditional 3rd in 2016. If the preds dont make the playoffs, that 3rd becomes a 4th..... now, if you think the flyers for some reason will keep money....

I say
500-900k gives philly that 3rd.
1mill to 1.3 gives philly that 3rd and a 5th in 2015.
1.4 to 1.7 gives philly that 3rd and a 4th in 2015
any higher and I say a 2nd in 2016 or two 3rds.
- mclovinhockey

Your right in one way... the more money philly keeps, the more value it has for them. but the picks is backwards.

philly doesnt keep any money, no deal
philly keeps 1 mil, then philly only gives up a third
philly keeps 1.5, then maybe only a 5th... etc, etc. nashville doesnt need vinny in the least, he would be a luxury. calle j, wilson, etc could step up, derek roy is available at I am sure a discount rate, so forth an so on.

Curious as to why you always quit updating your rumor chart the day after FA starts Ek. Last update to any player on your list was July 2nd.
- MnGump

No other newbies (suckers) are signing up for Season Tickets after FA period.

His work is done.

Vinny to Nashville for half of weber's salary

If you think that was a promotion then I have some swamp land to see you
- twpguy

Gm to president... he doesnt have as much to do but yes, that is a promotion.

As for sacking him.... He made a few bad moves, JVR for Schenn... But overall he has made some moves that were actually a lot better than people think. Moving Bob for example, the move itself was not great, Flyers got back a guy who is talked about being the next Shattenkirk which for the little I watched him, Ghosts speed, and 2-way play could easily put him as a guy like PK Subban, much better on D just not physical at all which is kinda a bad.... they also got Stolie, who I am not sold on but might be the Flyers back up in a few years.... overall he ended up making another trade and getting Mase for Leighton which Mase and Bob are pretty even, so with the other things in that deal, I give those two trades to Philly.

Richards to LA... Flyers got Simmonds (more points that richards each year since coming over and playing less time) Schenn, guy who has a lot of potential but may or may not ever tap into it. Also a pick they moved for Grossmann who is a decent depth D.... LA got a guy who helped them to two cups... one as a 2nd line, another as a 4th liner... Without this trade, I think Philly is bottom 5 in the league the past two years... LA actually might be looking at 3 cups with how much better simmonds is than richards at grinding and how much less he is. Philly wins that deal but LA still managed to come out on top two years so they got what they want.

Carter to the Jackets... Flyers get Coots, Voracek and Cousins.... Coots is a top 10 in the league 2-way player and he is just 21... being able to shut down Crosby and Malkin in the same game while only being 21 and making it look easy... He alone was worth Carter, who at the time, was just a one dimensional player. Voracek who is pretty much even with Carter in points every year even though he is just a playmaker. Carter would later be delt to LA where he helped the Kings win 2 cups... one as a 2nd liner, one as a 3rd liner... without this deal philly would be getting their butt kicked daily by most teams top players, specially with this D, the jackets prob advance to round 2 this year... maybe even give the rangers a better series... Philly killed the jackets in that trade as well.