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mrpaulish
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Itasca, IL
Joined: 01.18.2010

Jul 9 @ 1:41 PM ET
My thoughts exactly.
- John Jaeckel



Sharp.

Leddy.

Oduya.


or any combo of Sharp Leddy

Oduya Sharp .

Gotta shed 3m here people from players that teams actually would want .
CaptainBlackhawk
Joined: 01.29.2010

Jul 9 @ 1:42 PM ET
Here's another thought....

As Bowman has been handing out these contracts to Toews, Kane, Crawford etc. they certainly have a good idea where the cap is going to be or what is going to happen. If they don't, the entire front office is ridiculously inept.
Ogilthorpe2
Season Ticket Holder
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: 37,000 FT
Joined: 07.09.2009

Jul 9 @ 1:42 PM ET
It was brought up....if all of the goalies mentioned played for the hawks and won a cup, would they too not ask for $6M per?
- eburgio

You had to go there, didn't you. Damn you and your logic.
mrpaulish
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Itasca, IL
Joined: 01.18.2010

Jul 9 @ 1:43 PM ET
Fire commish was always barking at the old man, Arthur that is, about exceeding capacity in the old barn. So many a game, years actually, the 'announced' attendance was 16,666. A couple decades later when 'capacity' was 17,317, they "allowed" up to 18,472 in the barn but the all time high attendance was 20,960 for a 1982 playoff game vs the Minnnnnasota North Stars...
- blackhawk24



Im so Thankful I got to catch a dozen games at the old Stadium .

11 Hawks games and one Team USA Canada Cup game vs. Russia ( That was awesome)

In 6th grade they tore it down

So Sad.
6628
Joined: 08.24.2009

Jul 9 @ 1:43 PM ET
Amen. JR must be happy and sad at the same time today.
- Hemingways


Jr signed in Phoenix for exactly what Wirtz was offering. Wirtz offered 3.5 and JR laughed. Wirtz said well, then show me what the market is. Then JR shot off his mouth. Wirtz told Bob Murry to get rid of him today. So the trade involving Zhamnov and JR happened. Then JR signs for 3.5 per with Phoenix. If it wasn't for hockey JR would be working at Burger King. And if it wasn't for his big mouth his number would be in the rafters about now. Everyone goes on and on about the money with Bill Wirtz. He spent money (didn't get his moneys worth a lot of the time). It's the attitude he wouldn't tolerate. He took no poop from anyone. Arthur Wirtz his father was the cheapskate. And it was Mike Wirtz that paid everyone, not Bill.
BlazinMike
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Chicago, IL
Joined: 05.08.2013

Jul 9 @ 1:43 PM ET
Anybody bringin up the contracts from 1999-2004 might have forgotten about the 2005 season...
mrpaulish
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Itasca, IL
Joined: 01.18.2010

Jul 9 @ 1:43 PM ET
Here's another thought....

As Bowman has been handing out these contracts to Toews, Kane, Crawford etc. they certainly have a good idea where the cap is going to be or what is going to happen. If they don't, the entire front office is ridiculously inept.

- CaptainBlackhawk



You would hope so .
blackhawk24
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Lake in the Hills, IL
Joined: 06.06.2009

Jul 9 @ 1:43 PM ET
I would still not be terribly surprised to see P. Sharp on the next Air Canada 737 to Ottawa. or some other Eastern Conference destination. Possibly Oduya. Possibly Leddy.
- John Jaeckel

Pick one: 8 or 27. Who do you think actually gets moved?
Ogilthorpe2
Season Ticket Holder
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: 37,000 FT
Joined: 07.09.2009

Jul 9 @ 1:44 PM ET
I would still not be terribly surprised to see P. Sharp on the next Air Canada E190 to Ottawa. or some other Eastern Conference destination. Possibly Oduya. Possibly Leddy.
- John Jaeckel

Fixed.
mrpaulish
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Itasca, IL
Joined: 01.18.2010

Jul 9 @ 1:44 PM ET
Anybody bringin up the contracts from 1999-2004 might have forgotten about the 2005 season...
- BlazinMike



I think it was just to state that the OWNERS kicked the players ass in that lockout /strike thing .
southernhawk
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: of champions, AL
Joined: 01.19.2012

Jul 9 @ 1:45 PM ET
What was the cap that year?
- stashu

1 year before the cap was in place
John Jaeckel
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: www.the-rink.com
Joined: 11.19.2006

Jul 9 @ 1:45 PM ET
Pick one: 8 or 27. Who do you think actually gets moved?
- blackhawk24


Depends on the team. established club looking to add a piece for a Cup run. Oduya. Building club: Leddy.
fsanford
Joined: 10.28.2009

Jul 9 @ 1:45 PM ET
Hawks had no choice, you would have hoped for a discount, but it didn't happen.

15 players signed next year at around 65 million already spent. So probably 8 million more based on a 73 million cap for 8 guys. That is tough.

Gonna be harder and harder for teams to roll out 4 quality lines, because other teams are gonna over pay the premier teams bottom 2 line guys when they hit UFA trying to find that winning attitude.

Drafting and development is all the more critical as teams move forward.



CBHawks88
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Pallie
Joined: 07.05.2012

Jul 9 @ 1:45 PM ET
$10.5 can be seen as a home town discount. Particularly when you look at what both players would bring on the open market next year. They could both easily see 12 plus.

$10.5 is definitely more reasonable than yesterday's 10.8 reports. Even $600k helps the cap situation though it is still constricting.

- tredbrta


I hope Kane knows that TT is likely his 2C after this year.
John Jaeckel
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: www.the-rink.com
Joined: 11.19.2006

Jul 9 @ 1:46 PM ET
Fixed.
- Ogilthorpe2


Ha thx, you'd know.
eburgio
Location: SF, CA
Joined: 07.18.2011

Jul 9 @ 1:46 PM ET
Anybody bringin up the contracts from 1999-2004 might have forgotten about the 2005 season...
- BlazinMike


Anything you read from Super Doosh Agent Allan Walsh should be discarded like soiled underwear.
blackhawk24
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Lake in the Hills, IL
Joined: 06.06.2009

Jul 9 @ 1:46 PM ET
Im so Thankful I got to catch a dozen games at the old Stadium .

11 Hawks games and one Team USA Canada Cup game vs. Russia ( That was awesome)

In 6th grade they tore it down

So Sad.

- mrpaulish

2/3/95 and so it began. I was there along with a few dozen other diehards. Got a chance to again say hi and shake hands with the now late-great Maggie, Keith Magnuson. Then upon seeing dollar bill, I felt I had to share an unpleasantry with him. Knowing I had helped him finance the tearing down of the Stadium with the purchase of one of the banners, made me feel all the more the sucker and pissed off.
CaptainBlackhawk
Joined: 01.29.2010

Jul 9 @ 1:46 PM ET
Hawks had no choice, you would have hoped for a discount, but it didn't happen.

15 players signed next year at around 65 million already spent. So probably 8 million more based on a 73 million cap for 8 guys. That is tough.

Gonna be harder and harder for teams to roll out 4 quality lines, because other teams are gonna over pay the premier teams bottom 2 line guys when they hit UFA trying to find that winning attitude.

Drafting and development is all the more critical as teams move forward.

- fsanford


... and precisely the reason Bowman has held such a high regard for draft picks and development of players.

Also makes the Rundblad trade all the more interesting.
ArlingtonRob
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: 230 years was a good run, IL
Joined: 01.20.2012

Jul 9 @ 1:47 PM ET
What a joke.
- As_I_See_It


What does Clarkson have to do with it?
BlazinMike
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Chicago, IL
Joined: 05.08.2013

Jul 9 @ 1:47 PM ET
I think it was just to state that the OWNERS kicked the players ass in that lockout /strike thing .
- mrpaulish


Ok, just seems like they were trying to say its not that big of a deal or something because guys used to get paid more back then.
ChicagoDave
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Chicago, IL
Joined: 02.20.2013

Jul 9 @ 1:47 PM ET
Depends on the team. established club looking to add a piece for a Cup run. Oduya. Building club: Leddy.
- John Jaeckel



JJ,

does a Sharp and Leddy for Greening, Z. Smith and future 1st get it done?
CaptainBlackhawk
Joined: 01.29.2010

Jul 9 @ 1:48 PM ET
JJ: I BELIEVE this to be correct... but isn't there a cap on the max contract you can offer a player?

I had a buddy tell me that these two might have gotten 13-15 on the open market. I do not believe a team could offer that amount.

tredbrta
Chicago Blackhawks
Joined: 06.30.2012

Jul 9 @ 1:48 PM ET
Just to Devils Advocate this on e, who would take Steeg or Rozy ? Seriously . Don't laugh .
- mrpaulish


Exactly! They would have to add pieces just to get a team to Versteeg the way he played. He will be here to start the season. If he plays better maybe he gets moved. If not, waivers is probably the only answer and that only saves them $900k. Olsen and Hayes should have fetched more. So far, it looks like Bowman gambled and lost.

I hope the staff gave Versteeg a serious warning after the playoffs to take his off season training very seriously this year.
John Jaeckel
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: www.the-rink.com
Joined: 11.19.2006

Jul 9 @ 1:48 PM ET
Hawks had no choice, you would have hoped for a discount, but it didn't happen.

15 players signed next year at around 65 million already spent. So probably 8 million more based on a 73 million cap for 8 guys. That is tough.

Gonna be harder and harder for teams to roll out 4 quality lines, because other teams are gonna over pay the premier teams bottom 2 line guys when they hit UFA trying to find that winning attitude.

Drafting and development is all the more critical as teams move forward.

- fsanford


Only other choice would have been a huge roll of the dice and dealing Kane. Otherwise, you had to pay them. This FO will pay it's stars and not rock the boat. But anyone thinking this is 'good" from an overall roster standpoint is wrong.

Now, whether you're a believer in the Great Hawk Prospect Dream or not, you better hope it works.
John Jaeckel
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: www.the-rink.com
Joined: 11.19.2006

Jul 9 @ 1:48 PM ET
JJ: I BELIEVE this to be correct... but isn't there a cap on the max contract you can offer a player?

I had a buddy tell me that these two might have gotten 13-15 on the open market. I do not believe a team could offer that amount.

- CaptainBlackhawk


Dunno honestly
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