oh mr postivity is here

you think i would care if franson was moved?

shoot me some pizza bread and we'll call it even

franson is terrible
- Dozzer

Oh quit your complaining, franson is still an asset and nonis isn't giving him away for nothing I would think. If was, he'd be gone already

The leafs could get Faulk'ed with franson
He signed for 4.8
- MTL1

Oh no.

The draft is a joke. Here is why

- Teams can intentionally throw the season, suck ass, and suffer through poor attendance and revenue but be kept afloat from revenue sharing

- These teams are REWARDED with the highest draft picks and the next generation of best players (and through the CBA and stuff like RFA, retained with relative ease). These young players generally are less of a cap hit too.

- These teams go on to become elite teams

- Teams that play with integrity and do not purposefully throw the season are DISADVANTAGED by having mediocre draft picks. These teams are keeping the other teams alive through revenue sharing. These teams don't get the best young talent and to stay competitive they must pay older players more $$$ to play for them. They are constantly battling the cap.

The NHL needs to make the draft completely random and that is the only way it is fair

Oh quit your complaining, franson is still an asset and nonis isn't giving him away for nothing I would think. If was, he'd be gone already
- Fakepartofme

they already tried to trade him

and he knows it

gorges turned it down

no way he's a leaf come fall.. and i love that fact

if franson doesnt get more than 3.5.. the leafs are stuck with him AND cant trade him

just move him for something.. he cost lebda ffs
- Dozzer

I don't get the whole Riemer and Franson issue. Both are clearly not fitting in with the squad this upcoming season yet both are not even in trade talks. The only way I see an end to this madness is arb awards both of them a number too high for the leafs and they decline, making the players free agents

The draft is a joke. Here is why

- Teams can intentionally throw the season, suck ass, and suffer through poor attendance and revenue but be kept afloat from revenue sharing

- These teams are REWARDED with the highest draft picks and the next generation of best players (and through the CBA and stuff like RFA, retained with relative ease). These young players generally are less of a cap hit too.

- These teams go on to become elite teams

- Teams that play with integrity and do not purposefully throw the season are DISADVANTAGED by having mediocre draft picks. These teams are keeping the other teams alive through revenue sharing. These teams don't get the best young talent and to stay competitive they must pay older players more $$$ to play for them. They are constantly battling the cap.
- Atreides

Try to tell a Hawks fan that. They're good because they're the best franchise and they've all been fans their whole lives, not just since they drafted Toews.

The draft is a joke. Here is why

- Teams can intentionally throw the season, suck ass, and suffer through poor attendance and revenue but be kept afloat from revenue sharing

- These teams are REWARDED with the highest draft picks and the next generation of best players (and through the CBA and stuff like RFA, retained with relative ease). These young players generally are less of a cap hit too.

- These teams go on to become elite teams

- Teams that play with integrity and do not purposefully throw the season are DISADVANTAGED by having mediocre draft picks. These teams are keeping the other teams alive through revenue sharing. These teams don't get the best young talent and to stay competitive they must pay older players more $$$ to play for them. They are constantly battling the cap.
- Atreides

You still have to draft well, or it's all for not. Something the Leafs and Canucks know all too well.

Starting in 1981 the Leafs drafted top ten for TEN years in a row...still not as much as a Cup final???

nonis needs to stop being such a pansy and start pulling the trigger

(frank) he doesnt have to win every deal by a landslide
- Dozzer

No, not win by a landslide but still win lol. Fans who want him to do something would go nuts if a trade was made for someone they thought was inferior to what we gave away. I actually like the fact that we have a GM with patience now. Better to do nothing or little then to have a knee jerk reaction trying to make a big splash that will back fire down the road.

Hey, a trade I would like to see is one kinda like Fletcher made when he got Sundin here. The blue jackets are having problems signing Ryan Johannson. Wonder if we can offer Kadri,plus, plus to make a deal.

Nice to play GM.

they already tried to trade him
and he knows it

gorges turned it down

no way he's a leaf come fall.. and i love that fact
- Dozzer

Oh I know that.
But still he's not giving him away, he'll wait for the right deal, hopefully it comes before training camp.
If not, he'll play him and trade him later.

Nonis offered Boyle 4 years 10 M... If Sabers don't sign Ott looks like he will be a Leaf for 3-4 years. At around 2.75-3.25 M a season
- dwoo33

those are good #$#$ for him

I don't get the whole Riemer and Franson issue. Both are clearly not fitting in with the squad this upcoming season yet both are not even in trade talks. The only way I see an end to this madness is arb awards both of them a number too high for the leafs and they decline, making the players free agents
- jps7878

Other GM's know this as well.....why trade and waste assets for them, when they can just wait and see if they come available via FA.

those are good #$#$ for him
- zazzle

No.

We need to steer clear of him. The kids can do the same job for half the money or less....

You still have to draft well, or it's all for not. Something the Leafs and Canucks know all too well.

Starting in 1981 the Leafs drafted top ten for TEN years in a row...still not as much as a Cup final???
- LeftCoaster

The leafs have been horrible at drafting, this is no secret.
Still not that great, but they are making improvements.

he could have played in front of friends and family for 5 mil a year (shocking for a #3 center! ) but chose the extra cash to head to a lottery team.

I knew all along.bolland wasnt gonna stay, what a bunch of bs about wanting to stay and willing to take a hometown discount.

How long till the Panthers discuss buying him out? I say 2 years
- GardinerExpress

why would a player care about playing in front of family and friends? if anything that's just a hassle for them. if players cared about that you'd see a lot of guys signing in Quebec and Ontario. and yes he went to a lottery team but a lottery team with high end prospects that few teams have. and it's not like he left one of the league's great teams.

No.

We need to steer clear of him. The kids can do the same job for half the money or less....
- lumlums

Intagibles!

What kids?

Franson for Markstrom. Reimer for Clitsome.

You still have to draft well, or it's all for not. Something the Leafs and Canucks know all too well.

Starting in 1981 the Leafs drafted top ten for TEN years in a row...still not as much as a Cup final???
- LeftCoaster

could be worse.

we could have no cups, ever, and a team heading straight into the gutter

why would a player care about playing in front of family and friends? if anything that's just a hassle for them. if players cared about that you'd see a lot of guys signing in Quebec and Ontario. and yes he went to a lottery team but a lottery team with high end prospects that few teams have. and it's not like he left one of the league's great teams.
- DoubleDown

i could care less, bolland is dead to me.

You still have to draft well, or it's all for not. Something the Leafs and Canucks know all too well.

Starting in 1981 the Leafs drafted top ten for TEN years in a row...still not as much as a Cup final???
- LeftCoaster

Talent evaluation and development is huge here. I dont think the Oilers will be an Elite team like the hawks/pens from this drafting madness (personal opinion please dont argue with it) and the leafs have never drafted well or when they have they give up on the guy and he becomes a decent player and it's gotten them into this mess

they already tried to trade him

and he knows it

gorges turned it down

no way he's a leaf come fall.. and i love that fact
- Dozzer

so you're saying that any time a player has found out that they were included in a trade proposal by their GM, their career with that team was over? i don't think so. just because Franson was the player going the other way, doesn't mean the Leafs don't want him.

why would a player care about playing in front of family and friends? if anything that's just a hassle for them. if players cared about that you'd see a lot of guys signing in Quebec and Ontario. and yes he went to a lottery team but a lottery team with high end prospects that few teams have. and it's not like he left one of the league's great teams.
- DoubleDown

A lottery team this past year.
They wont be next year.

i could care less, bolland is dead to me.
- big_dion

A lottery team this past year.
They wont be next year.
- Fakepartofme

they could certainly end up being competitive.

Other GM's know this as well.....why trade and waste assets for them, when they can just wait and see if they come available via FA.
- Fakepartofme

That's pretty much settles it. Either trade them for a conditional 4th (something of little value) or pay the guys because they ruined the whole situation for themselves. Could have traded them in season last year but didnt budge.

Intagibles!

What kids?
- Fakepartofme

(frank), I'd rather have a blank hole in the lineup than Ott at $3m+

In terms of actual play I'm sure that Holland will give us much more value for money...