That's insane.

Sharp would demand any teams best prospect, he's an annual 65-75 point player with 3 years left. What exactly has Strome accomplished that Chicago would even go for that.

Also, Hjalmarsson won't be traded, he's a top pairing defensemen whos young and signed at a good cap hit. Neilsen would never fetch Hjalmarsson on his own
- sbroads24

1st bold - really if that's the case CHI would have dealt him already for another teams top prospect... But hasn't happen to a cap-strapped Hawks team...

We both know Hammer is to valuable to Hawks bc their lack of D depth but Frans could fetch a player like him " is what I stated"

Strome being young, cheap and high potential trumps any high salaried player who aging (No matter what stats he's produced) . Now if your talking about the likes of Kane's, Ryan, O'Reilly that's another story..

Brayden Schenn was considered a top 3 NHL prospect when he was traded along with Wayne Simmonds for Mike Richards.

Prospects are over valued by the team that has their rights. If the Isles wanted Sharp, you could expect one of Reinhart or Strome going the other way.
- sbroads24

then i don't make the trade.. let them go through cap hell and go after whomever they can't afford to sign..stand your ground on these teams with zero cap space

1st bold - really if that's the case CHI would have dealt him already for another teams top prospect... But hasn't happen to a cap-strapped Hawks team...

We both know Hammer is to valuable to Hawks bc their lack of D depth but Frans could fetch a player like him " is what I stated"

Strome being young, cheap and high potential trumps any high salaried player who aging (No matter what stats he's produced) . Now if your talking about the likes of Kane's, Ryan, O'Reilly that's another story..
- Ur Not Me

That's not close to being true.

Strome is not proven, Sharp is. There is no guarantee Strome plays anywhere near the level Sharp has for years. If the Isles are trying to make the playoffs and improve the team for the next few years, Sharp is the better player to have

That's not close to being true.

Strome is not proven, Sharp is. There is no guarantee Strome plays anywhere near the level Sharp has for years. If the Isles are trying to make the playoffs and improve the team for the next few years, Sharp is the better player to have
- sbroads24

the value of the deal for chicago is the cap flexibility

Brayden Schenn was considered a top 3 NHL prospect when he was traded along with Wayne Simmonds for Mike Richards.

Prospects are over valued by the team that has their rights. If the Isles wanted Sharp, you could expect one of Reinhart or Strome going the other way.
- sbroads24

You almost answered the biggest point, Schenn & Simmonds are young, So is Richards..... Plus at that time Richards is signed to a long term contract that is roughly $5M or so at the age of 26 I think... if you get my point...

i would offer bailey and donovan and a mid level prospect for odouya and sharp. if i'm garth i'd say here its..you get 6.5 million off your cap, if not have fun paying toews and kane. play hard ball with these teams up against the cap
- Dan Petriw

Dan, respectfully, that offer is not even close. You can play hardball to a certain extent, but there are also 28 other teams in the league to whom the Hawks can offer the services of a perennial 30 goal scorer, and a great deal of them would be in a position to significantly beat that offer. That would offer would be insulting and not even the basis for further negotiations between the clubs.

If the Isles take that that type of position in their trade talks with anyone, they will acquire no one.

Dan, respectfully, that offer is not even close. You can play hardball to a certain extent, but there are also 28 other teams in the league to whom the Hawks can offer the services of a perennial 30 goal scorer, and a great deal of them would be in a position to significantly beat that offer. That would offer would be insulting and not even the basis for further negotiations between the clubs.

If the Isles take that that type of position in their trade talks with anyone, they will acquire no one.
- Pete V

Plus Sharp is incredibly handsome, so his value is even greater.

Dan, respectfully, that offer is not even close. You can play hardball to a certain extent, but there are also 28 other teams in the league to whom the Hawks can offer the services of a perennial 30 goal scorer, and a great deal of them would be in a position to significantly beat that offer. That would offer would be insulting and not even the basis for further negotiations between the clubs.

If the Isles take that that type of position in their trade talks with anyone, they will acquire no one.
- Pete V

then you don't make the deal.. i'll stand my ground to an extent. but i'll be damned if i'm giving you my best prospects cause you can't manage your cap

You almost answered the biggest point, Schenn & Simmonds are young, So is Richards..... Plus at that time Richards is signed to a long term contract that is roughly $5M or so at the age of 26 I think... if you get my point...
- Ur Not Me

My point was that a top prospect (in that case Schenn) wasn't enough by himself to warrant a proven top 6 player.

It would be like me saying Nikita Zadarov for Patrick Marleau is a fair deal

Plus Sharp is incredibly handsome, so his value is even greater.
- eichiefs9

yeah that is something that isn't being talked about enough

That's not close to being true.

Strome is not proven, Sharp is. There is no guarantee Strome plays anywhere near the level Sharp has for years. If the Isles are trying to make the playoffs and improve the team for the next few years, Sharp is the better player to have
- sbroads24

Your theory has no method... The islanders are not a Sharp player away, so with that said, the islanders are a rebuilding team and these kids hold the cards to their future. Sharp will only add to JT's W but so has others. Again CHI would make that trade in a nano-second bc of Stromes potential, why do you think CHI wasn't trading TT for Kesler???

Would your team trade Reinhart for Sharp? Or whoever your top tier offensive prospect you have?

then you don't make the deal.. i'll stand my ground to an extent. but i'll be damned if i'm giving you my best prospects cause you can't manage your cap
- Dan Petriw

I respect not wanting to do a deal like that.

However for a premier player, it takes something that you don't want to part with in most cases. The Isles wouldn't be the only team that could help Chicago clear cap

I respect not wanting to do a deal like that.

However for a premier player, it takes something that you don't want to part with in most cases. The Isles wouldn't be the only team that could help Chicago clear cap
- sbroads24

then you know what you punt on sharp and just go after leddy or oduya..the real need is on the blueline, sharp would just be a bonus

yeah that is something that isn't being talked about enough
- Dan Petriw

who else is wishing they are the cup right now?

then you know what you punt on sharp and just go after leddy or oduya..the real need is on the blueline, sharp would just be a bonus
- Dan Petriw

Oduya would be an excellent target. He obviously wouldn't command a teams best prospect but is a solid top 4 guy

then you don't make the deal.. i'll stand my ground to an extent. but i'll be damned if i'm giving you my best prospects cause you can't manage your cap
- Dan Petriw

Yeah......if the player is so great, why are you moving him?

My point was that a top prospect (in that case Schenn) wasn't enough by himself to warrant a proven top 6 player.

It would be like me saying Nikita Zadarov for Patrick Marleau is a fair deal
- sbroads24

Is Zadarov a D prospect?

Plus again in the Schenn perspective Richards was young and proven, he wasn't 32yrs old at the time, which makes a big difference on evaluating a trade....

Oduya would be an excellent target. He obviously wouldn't command a teams best prospect but is a solid top 4 guy
- sbroads24

my thoughts exactly

my thoughts exactly
- Dan Petriw

everyone shutup and get me boychuk!!!

everyone shutup and get me boychuk!!!
- LetsGoIsles

Johnny B. good! god I crack myself up.

If Bailey is moved, Im prediciting he will grossly outproduce any asset we get in return in that trade on his new team.

I think Grabner should be traded b/c even when he plays well, Capuano hates him. while others love to bash Grabner for not scoring on his breakaways, my response is, name another player that gets as many breakaways as him.
If grabner converted on 60% of breakaway that all isles fans want him to he would be a 50-60 goal scorer. Maybe that why we got him on waiver wire. Did anyone ever think of that. That said, he has more trade value than Bailey right now.
- Spartiarti

I dont care if he outproduces on his new team, I would rather he get 90 points on another team & we get assets back for him then him taking up a roster spot putting up 30 points here.

yes we all thought of that... so?

XxNYIxX

everyone shutup and get me boychuk!!!
- LetsGoIsles

Send him a plane tixx and go pick him up!!!!

Does that really matter if the trade adds balance to the team and they win more games? Last I checked it was more about that than winning trades.
- Jeropotato

Exactly!

XxNYIxX

then you know what you punt on sharp and just go after leddy or oduya..the real need is on the blueline, sharp would just be a bonus
- Dan Petriw

If Oduya or Leddy are available, I'm in. I'd offer them Bailey and a second round pick or one of the second tier D prospects for one of them, and go into the season happy. Sharp will cost too much- he's a top shelf player. That's going to be at least Strome plus all of the above for that player. I doubt they trade him, unless they rip someone off. One of their defensemen won't cost nearly as much, and they DO need the space, which means something has to be available.

I don't see why they shouldn't be a playoff team in the East right now. Who has better goaltending in our division? I'd say NYR, CBJ, and NJ (and I think our backup is better than all three, even if their 3 starters are better than ours). And it's not like Halak is chopped liver compared to Lundqvist, Bobrovsky, and Schneider; if these three are elite, Halak is in the second-tier of goalies for sure. If you sub in Halak/Johnson's numbers last season with what the Isles had in net, changing nothing, the Isles would have allowed 70 (!!!!) less goals. That alone puts them in the playoffs (it's funny how few out there who follow hockey realize just how bad our G was last year).

On defense, they were 16th in the NHL shots against/game last season, and that's with Viznovsky missing, what, 50 games? de Haan also only had a half season, and we've added Brennan to take over for Strait/Carkner, which is another improvement. Could the Isles use a dependable top-4 defenseman? Absolutely. But even without that guy, this defense is good enough with our goaltending/offense.

And now, offense. They were 17th in the NHL in goals/game last season. Tavares missed over a quarter of the season this year (or that 17 would have been higher), and will be 24 years old to start the season. Grabovski was on a ~50 point pace when he got hurt, and now Frans Nielsen, long one of the best defensive forwards in the game who just scored 25 goals and 58 points, is going to center the third line. Few teams in the NHL (San Jose? Who else, honestly?) are this good down the middle. Okposo, Nelson, Strome, Kulemin, Lee, Grabner....this is serious depth up front.

The Isles are a now a team that can comfortably ice 4 lines that can be depended on to attack, and with their newfound goaltending, there's no reason the roster as presently constructed shouldn't be a playoff team. An extra defenseman would solidify the case even more.