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Scooby_Doo
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Somewhere close to Vancouver., BC
Joined: 06.10.2009

Jul 7 @ 9:33 AM ET
Is Zherdev taking some time off from beating his wife? If so, maybe we can sign him. Maybe we could have Heatley signed and he can pick Zherdev, Setoguchi, and Cheechoo up on the way over.
- jmatchett383


JoeRussomanno
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: me bitter? F-no i think it's hilarious
Joined: 12.14.2011

Jul 7 @ 9:34 AM ET
It don't matter who is left out there in UFA's the Flyers are just spectators this year....awful just awful.
- RobFlyers#1

Actually i think its a good thing... Only player i wanted them to pursue was niskanen. Not much worth losing sleep over.
jak521
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Buckle Up.
Joined: 02.19.2008

Jul 7 @ 9:34 AM ET
Yes, this team has holes.

Unfortunately, there are more holes than there are solutions in the FA market.

I want a plan from the organization and I want them to execute it. Not just buy players because they can.

- johndewar

jmatchett383
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Newark, DE
Joined: 03.09.2010

Jul 7 @ 9:35 AM ET
Is Leino going to get invited to camp ya think?
- FlyersGrace


You know, he really might. I am not against signing him for the league minimum and possibly throwing him on that Couturier/Read line. He has decent wheels and can carry the puck. If they don't count on him to be a primary scorer, he may actually work. Also, if you sign him for $900K or so and he bombs, send his ass down to Lehigh Valley.
Just5
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: PA
Joined: 05.22.2008

Jul 7 @ 9:36 AM ET
Disagree completely. That suggests the Flyers are in a holding pattern for 3-5 years.
- MJL


They don't need to come in and be elite level defense men. They just need to contribute in the pairings. A big issue is the amount of money the flyers are spending for their bottom pairing. The flyers will have money freed up to attract a top pairing guy in UFA in a couple years
jmatchett383
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Newark, DE
Joined: 03.09.2010

Jul 7 @ 9:37 AM ET
Actually i think its a good thing... Only player i wanted them to pursue was niskanen. Not much worth losing sleep over.
- JoeRussomanno


So far, their one major move in UFA was resigning Emery, which I'm fine with. No one out there who's amazing enough for me to want to throw big money at. Even Niskanen is probably making $1M more than he should, and that was much lower than I thought he'd go.
RobFlyers#1
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 06.22.2009

Jul 7 @ 9:37 AM ET
If only they had money, they could have shored up the D by signing Orpik for 5 years at $5.25M per, or shored up their bottom 6 forwards by snagging Bolland at his cheap $5M per for 5 years. If only they could have been players on July 1st...if only.
- jmatchett383


Sarcasm....nice but who mentioned those players both were overpaid. The flyers have enough big, slow dmen so Orpik...no. Bolland at that price...good luck in Florida. The point is they can't do anything....they trade Hartnell and take back the same money....smart. If the flyers would have waited they could have got Umberger after he was bought out for less than 4.6 mil. The whole Lecavalier thing is exhausting. To trade him they will have to retain half of his contract and they will still be over the cap.
JoeRussomanno
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: me bitter? F-no i think it's hilarious
Joined: 12.14.2011

Jul 7 @ 9:39 AM ET
So far, their one major move in UFA was resigning Emery, which I'm fine with. No one out there who's amazing enough for me to want to throw big money at. Even Niskanen is probably making $1M more than he should, and that was much lower than I thought he'd go.
- jmatchett383

They always win the cup in july but fail to deliver in june. Im fine with what theyve done. Good draft too, im starting to believe i. Hextall as gm.
Feanor
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: DE
Joined: 02.13.2013

Jul 7 @ 9:39 AM ET
Morin has really grown in the past year.

http://tvasports.ca/hocke...lnh/morin-y-croit-6072014
jmatchett383
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Newark, DE
Joined: 03.09.2010

Jul 7 @ 9:40 AM ET
Sarcasm....nice but who mentioned those players both were overpaid. The flyers have enough big, slow dmen so Orpik...no. Bolland at that price...good luck in Florida. The point is they can't do anything....they trade Hartnell and take back the same money....smart. If the flyers would have waited they could have got Umberger after he was bought out for less than 4.6 mil. The whole Lecavalier thing is exhausting. To trade him they will have to retain half of his contract and they will still be over the cap.
- RobFlyers#1


If they waited and got Umberger, that would have been added to Hartnell's salary and put them further over the cap. Unless you can say with 100% assurance that there were other trades that Hartnell would 100% have agreed to. There was absolutely NO ONE who was a "name" in UFA who was worth what they got paid. I'm not sure what moves you want them to make that they can't due to cap reasons. Sign Niskanen for minimum wage, maybe?
jmatchett383
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Newark, DE
Joined: 03.09.2010

Jul 7 @ 9:40 AM ET
Morin has really grown in the past year.

http://tvasports.ca/hocke...lnh/morin-y-croit-6072014

- Feanor


I'm just going to assume that this article, translated, is about throwing hockey sticks at people.
leon neon
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: GA
Joined: 02.16.2009

Jul 7 @ 9:41 AM ET
I never said anything about money.... Bottom line is the flyers have some needs and have done nothing thus far and can't.
- RobFlyers#1


Needs... All teams have needs. And, what are the needs, I'd say; Goaltending check (Mason was already there, and they did something by signing Emery). Forwards pretty much a check although they could use one more winger (and, like it or not Hartnell/Umberger was doing something). Finally Defense, I don't like the group - but, its not bad. They need a #1, which will take time for one in the system or be expensive UFA (Homer/Hexy are upgrading with MacDonald, Streit but haven't found a deal yet for a #1 - and may not).

Overall the team isn't bad, next year will depend on Coaching, Injuries, and how well they play - not talent, or personnel. Fulfilling needs is all about upgrading and filling minor gaps. If a UFA or trade to upgrade is not there - well, its not there. As MJL mentioned - they upgraded at the end of last year with MacDonald. We have the rest of the summer and during next season to continue to upgrade. Frankly, I'm happy the Flyers didn't make a big splash. The UFA group wasn't strong, ie. no #1 types available. Evidentially, the balanced trades were not there to upgrade the team.
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Jul 7 @ 9:41 AM ET
You don't see any of our D prospects arriving on the roster for 3-5 years? I agree they may not be dominating, but I'd hope at least 1 of them can crack the roster in a year or 2.
- jmatchett383




Arriving on the roster and contributing is one thing. But building the defense around them, and having them as the core of the defense is 3-5 years away, if at all. Flyers can't afford to sit back in a holding pattern and wait for that.
jak521
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Buckle Up.
Joined: 02.19.2008

Jul 7 @ 9:42 AM ET
Morin has really grown in the past year.

http://tvasports.ca/hocke...lnh/morin-y-croit-6072014

- Feanor

i dont speak piglatin
FlyersGrace
Season Ticket Holder
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Pronger "Play the game puffnuts!" , DE
Joined: 07.02.2012

Jul 7 @ 9:42 AM ET
Sarcasm....nice but who mentioned those players both were overpaid. The flyers have enough big, slow dmen so Orpik...no. Bolland at that price...good luck in Florida. The point is they can't do anything....they trade Hartnell and take back the same money....smart. If the flyers would have waited they could have got Umberger after he was bought out for less than 4.6 mil. The whole Lecavalier thing is exhausting. To trade him they will have to retain half of his contract and they will still be over the cap.
- RobFlyers#1

I am perfectly fine with keeping Lecavelier for next season. Let's see if he rebounds. I know he was pretty bad at the end of the season but at the beginning he was doing well when no one else was. Let him rest, heal, and bounce back next season for a possible trade at the trade deadline for picks for 2015's draft versus shackle ourselves to a cap hit for the next 4 years. If he doesn't rebound then Hextall can trade him for whatever he can get.
jmatchett383
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Newark, DE
Joined: 03.09.2010

Jul 7 @ 9:42 AM ET
Arriving on the roster and contributing is one thing. But building the defense around them, and having them as the core of the defense is 3-5 years away, if at all. Flyers can't afford to sit back in a holding pattern and wait for that.
- MJL


No one said they had to be elite persons of the core immediately. He simply said they arrive on the roster.
JoeRussomanno
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: me bitter? F-no i think it's hilarious
Joined: 12.14.2011

Jul 7 @ 9:42 AM ET
Morin has really grown in the past year.

http://tvasports.ca/hocke...lnh/morin-y-croit-6072014

- Feanor

Do u have a link to an english version?
johndewar
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: South Jersey, NJ
Joined: 01.16.2009

Jul 7 @ 9:43 AM ET
Morin has really grown in the past year.

http://tvasports.ca/hocke...lnh/morin-y-croit-6072014

- Feanor


That's some good truculence in that video.

MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Jul 7 @ 9:44 AM ET
Unfortunately Hextall starts of his tenure with a raw deal and his hands tied behin his back. The team although with a young promising core has been built with players that do not fit with one another to form a cohesive championship caliber team. The lack of ideal cap room as hampers any extra moves that need to be made. Within approx 2 years I believe Hextall should be able to have the flyers at or close to champion caliber status. Unfortunately it will take time and patience.
- Brimstone



I don't see having a core of Giroux, Voracek, Simmonds, Schenn, and Couturier as having a raw deal. There is certainly some work that needs to be done as the team lacks a top pairing defenseman. But the remaining defenseman are all good players. The biggest thing that makes things harder for the Flyers is the Pronger situation. But that's nobody's fault that he got injured and ended his career.
Just5
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: PA
Joined: 05.22.2008

Jul 7 @ 9:44 AM ET
Sarcasm....nice but who mentioned those players both were overpaid. The flyers have enough big, slow dmen so Orpik...no. Bolland at that price...good luck in Florida. The point is they can't do anything....they trade Hartnell and take back the same money....smart. If the flyers would have waited they could have got Umberger after he was bought out for less than 4.6 mil. The whole Lecavalier thing is exhausting. To trade him they will have to retain half of his contract and they will still be over the cap.
- RobFlyers#1


The hartnell contract was a negative value contract. The flyers dont want umberger, but they had to take him in order to rid themselves of hartnell. Umbergers deal is 2 years shorter, that's what it was all about. How fast can you flush a turd
jmatchett383
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Newark, DE
Joined: 03.09.2010

Jul 7 @ 9:45 AM ET
The hartnell contract was a negative value contract. The flyers dont want umberger, but they had to take him in order to rid themselves of hartnell. Umbergers deal is 2 years shorter, that's what it was all about. How fast can you flush a turd
- Just5


23 minutes.

Oh poop, was that rhetoricaL?
BulliesPhan87
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: the lone wolf of hockeybuzz
Joined: 07.31.2009

Jul 7 @ 9:46 AM ET
Do u have a link to an english version?
- JoeRussomanno

Not exactly a complete translation, but somebody on twitter got the cliffs notes:

Tyler J. Altemose @TJamesAltemose
LRT: (Translated) Morin wants to make the #Flyers out of camp. He's an inch taller and gained 20+ pounds of muscle mass.

Tyler J. Altemose @TJamesAltemose
LRT: (Translated) Morin says he had a taste of it w/ the exhibition games last season and he wants more.

Tyler J. Altemose @TJamesAltemose
LRT: (Translated) He said PHI has been impressed w/ his on- and off-ice attitude. Very physical presence.

Tyler J. Altemose
@TJamesAltemose
LRT: (Translated) But he has to work on his decision making when it comes to whom to go after (he can get himself in trouble).
JoeRussomanno
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: me bitter? F-no i think it's hilarious
Joined: 12.14.2011

Jul 7 @ 9:47 AM ET
Not exactly a complete translation, but somebody on twitter got the cliffs notes:

Tyler J. Altemose @TJamesAltemose
LRT: (Translated) Morin wants to make the #Flyers out of camp. He's an inch taller and gained 20+ pounds of muscle mass.

Tyler J. Altemose @TJamesAltemose
LRT: (Translated) Morin says he had a taste of it w/ the exhibition games last season and he wants more.

Tyler J. Altemose @TJamesAltemose
LRT: (Translated) He said PHI has been impressed w/ his on- and off-ice attitude. Very physical presence.

Tyler J. Altemose
@TJamesAltemose
LRT: (Translated) But he has to work on his decision making when it comes to whom to go after (he can get himself in trouble).

- BulliesPhan87

Thats (frank)ing awesome
jmatchett383
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Newark, DE
Joined: 03.09.2010

Jul 7 @ 9:47 AM ET
That's some good truculence in that video.
- johndewar


Imagine getting knocked out cold by a guy in a pink jersey...
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Jul 7 @ 9:47 AM ET
They don't need to come in and be elite level defense men. They just need to contribute in the pairings. A big issue is the amount of money the flyers are spending for their bottom pairing. The flyers will have money freed up to attract a top pairing guy in UFA in a couple years
- Just5



If there is a top pairing player available. The Flyers aren't in a holding pattern. If they wanted to to, they could easily trade a couple of players and bring in cheaper defensman for the 3rd pair now. The Flyers are trying to win now, and will continue to do so. And not sit back in a holding pattern.
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