Whats the one dimension? Just that he isnt the greatest defensive forward?
- peddy-93

its weird that fans want advanced stats to show deeper player values, yet still believe offense and defense are the only dimensions in a players game.

i am not a big fan of carlyle.. and he's known around the league as a pretty aggressive task master.

his coaching philosophy hasnt changed with the times either. however, i wouldnt be shocked to see a different approach this season
- Dozzer

cause the door will be hitting his ass as he leaves.

I'd save the cap space and keep JVR. Oh well.
- systemtool

And I'd like to see what Kadri can bring over the next year. Kadri's contract demands will decide his fate here depending on the year he has.

Whats the one dimension? Just that he isnt the greatest defensive forward?
- peddy-93

Yeah, I think saying offense is just "One-dimension" is silly. There are at most 1 or 2 wingers in the entire NHL that are better passers than Phil. This guy is not just a goal scorer anymore.

Jonas Siegel‏@jonasTSN1050·1 min
Leaf prospect camp underway this week at MCC. William Nylander amongst the 29 prospects on hand.

We live in a world where Nik Kulemin is considered a "Two-Way" forward. If Phil played anywhere else, his "One-dimension" would not be nearly as big of a deal.

I personally think defensive play has become ridiculously overrated. I've never seen a time it's tougher to score a 5 on 5 goal. Offensive skills cannot simply be taught.
- RogerRoeper

when I read Phil is one dimensional I have flashes of plays Phil got back to disrupt clean breakaways, happened a few times.

Jonas Siegel‏@jonasTSN1050·1 min
Leaf prospect camp underway this week at MCC. William Nylander amongst the 29 prospects on hand.


- peddy-93

Let's hope he brought his hair. That "Nylander Mop" will be the biggest craze ever.

It sucks when you're tired and you can't give your 100% for 21 minutes a game.
- Pecafan Fan

I don't really know if it applies to JVR, who had his best year on record, but mentally you could be trying your hardest, and your body just can't keep up.

its weird that fans want advanced stats to show deeper player values, yet still believe offense and defense are the only dimensions in a players game.
- Jay Uller

Yeah I really think the whole forward having defensive value is over used. It's important no doubt, but when you have a player with Phil's offensive skills, the defensive side isn't as important.

when I read Phil is one dimensional I have flashes of plays Phil got back to disrupt clean breakaways, happened a few times.
- Jay Uller

There are guys in other markets who are so much worse than Phil defensively. He's the poster boy because he plays on the Leafs and "The Trade".

Jonas Siegel‏@jonasTSN1050·1 min
Leaf prospect camp underway this week at MCC. William Nylander amongst the 29 prospects on hand.


- peddy-93

do they televise any of it?

Yeah I really think the whole forward having defensive value is over used. It's important no doubt, but when you have a player with Phil's offensive skills, the defensive side isn't as important.
- peddy-93

Yup. Because he has the puck so much and can hit you in so many areas.

do they televise any of it?
- Jay Uller

Not sure if LeafsTV will show any of it or not.

Yeah I really think the whole forward having defensive value is over used. It's important no doubt, but when you have a player with Phil's offensive skills, the defensive side isn't as important.
- peddy-93

Agreed, you also have to take in to account Dion has been his entire defensive presence as a leaf. komo and schenn were his elite shutdown guys

There are guys in other markets who are so much worse than Phil defensively. He's the poster boy because he plays on the Leafs and "The Trade".
- RogerRoeper

No one really talks about patty Kane's defensive abilities

Not sure if LeafsTV will show any of it or not.
- peddy-93

it would be cool, show more depth of the organization for a fan base dying for hockey coverage already.

Kessel is going to produce no matter who he's with. and whoever plays with him will produce.
- DoubleDown

Lupul career year with him...

No one really talks about patty Kane's defensive abilities
- JVR_42_PK81

You know is horrific? Michael Grabner. Good lord. He needs more press for his defensive "Skills".

Agreed, you also have to take in to account Dion has been his entire defensive presence as a leaf. komo and schenn were his elite shutdown guys
- Jay Uller

Which is why I don't understand why Phaneuf recieves such slander from everyone. He has the highest QoC in the league, and his defensive zone starts are way high.

That's why I'm hoping the Leafs can get a pairing to play other teams top lines and have Phaneuf and Gardiner together playing more freely. Like what Chicago does with Keith.

it would be cool, show more depth of the organization for a fan base dying for hockey coverage already.
- Jay Uller

If they're not airing, they should really consider doing so. Lots of Leaf fans would love to see what our prospects got, especially since we see so little of them during the season.

If they're not airing, they should really consider doing so. Lots of Leaf fans would love to see what our prospects got, especially since we see so little of them during the season.
- peddy-93

last year, someone at hfboards put them all up on youtube

Yup. Because he has the puck so much and can hit you in so many areas.
- RogerRoeper

Probably has a top 5 shot of all forwards in the NHL. Leaf fans cry because he doesn't play a two way game like a bottom 6er

Probably has a top 5 shot of all forwards in the NHL. Leaf fans cry because he doesn't play a two way game like a bottom 6er
- Jay Uller

That Nik Kulemin, "Two-Way" player. 3 straight years without double digits in goals...

Which is why I don't understand why Phaneuf recieves such slander from everyone. He has the highest QoC in the league, and his defensive zone starts are way high.

That's why I'm hoping the Leafs can get a pairing to play other teams top lines and have Phaneuf and Gardiner together playing more freely. Like what Chicago does with Keith.
- peddy-93

Yup. Dion has been given a really hard job and is leaned-on way too much on the Leafs.

Probably has a top 5 shot of all forwards in the NHL. Leaf fans cry because he doesn't play a two way game like a bottom 6er
- Jay Uller

Also has one of the best playmaking abilities amongst wingers in the NHL.