Agreed. The only thing to factor in is JVR's contract. But I would trade JVR for O'Reilly. But it's hard to split up JVR and Kessel too.
- peddy-93

well we can thank Jay Feaster for his cap hit getting so high so fast.

their cap hits need to vary by $3 million or more to make that a factor. a 2-way centre like that is so much more valuable than a winger.
- DoubleDown

ROR's versatility is appealing.

well we can thank Jay Feaster for his cap hit getting so high so fast.
- DoubleDown

Yeah, that's out of whack.

And break Kessel/Bozak up. Or trade Kadri.
- systemtool

What's funny is even if we got ROR, he'd still play behind Bozak. They'd just trade Kadri.

think about that for a second. you wouldn't trade a 60-point winger for a 2-way centreman who puts up identical offensive numbers? O'Reilly is the better defensive player and looks to be equal to JVR offensively. and he plays a position that comes with much greater responsibility. i know you guys like JVR and he's a real good player, but come on.
- DoubleDown

O'Rielly will cost 2-3 million more. JVR had 7 points in the Olympics. Not being a 70 pt player was because he was dealing with injuries and fatigue from being relied on too much. Even just the contract alone makes JVR worth so much.

And break Kessel/Bozak up. Or trade Kadri.
- systemtool

Kessel is going to produce no matter who he's with. and whoever plays with him will produce.

Kessel is going to produce no matter who he's with. and whoever plays with him will produce.
- DoubleDown

Thanks tips. I had no idea.

Kessel is going to produce no matter who he's with. and whoever plays with him will produce.
- DoubleDown

So I guess we all agree he's not just a great 'support' player?

What's funny is even if we got ROR, he'd still play behind Bozak. They'd just trade Kadri.
- peddy-93

What's scary would be Lupul getting hurt. After Kessel we would have no top 6 wingers.

O'Rielly will cost 2-3 million more. JVR had 12 points in the Olympics. Not being a 70 pt player was because he was dealing with injuries and fatigue from being relied on too much. Even just the contract alone makes JVR worth so much.
- JVR_42_PK81

pretty sure he did not have anything close to 12 points in the Olympics.
as for dealing with injuries and fatigue... so did every other NHLer.

So I guess we all agree he's not just a great 'support' player?
- peddy-93

i don't think the argument has ever been that he's not a great offensive player. it's that he's a one-dimensional player.

What's scary would be Lupul getting hurt. After Kessel we would have no top 6 wingers.
- systemtool

That would be a bit of a problem, wouldnt it.

pretty sure he did not have anything close to 12 points in the Olympics.
as for dealing with injuries and fatigue... so did every other NHLer.
- DoubleDown

poop. I meant 7.

i don't think the argument has ever been that he's not a great offensive player. it's that he's a one-dimensional player.
- DoubleDown

Whats the one dimension? Just that he isnt the greatest defensive forward?

That would be a bit of a problem, wouldnt it.
- peddy-93

I'd save the cap space and keep JVR. Oh well.

Whats the one dimension? Just that he isnt the greatest defensive forward?
- peddy-93

yeah. not saying that's a bad thing. he's a gamebreaker. but it keeps him out of the conversation when talking about the best players in the NHL.

It sucks when you're tired and you can't give your 100% for 21 minutes a game.

i don't think the argument has ever been that he's not a great offensive player. it's that he's a one-dimensional player.
- DoubleDown

One dimension gets used too much. One dimension is usually just a pure goal scorer. He can score goals. Pass as good as anyone. He's fast.

Kessel is going to produce no matter who he's with. and whoever plays with him will produce.
- DoubleDown

I agree. Kessel is an elite offensive talent. The "Won't score without Savard" seems quite humoruos now.

poop. I meant 7.
- JVR_42_PK81

you mean 5?

Firing the coach just means the leafs will be out of playoff spot and that they'll miss the playoffs with a new coach.
If the leafs are serious about Babcock....RC will not be fired until the end of the season.
- Fakepartofme

This. Its obviously going to be a priority, even if Carlyle has a great year fans won't be unhappy to see him fired (if it was a new guy even to change for Babcock the fans would be split.) Randy will be our sacrificial lamb this year, hope the guy doesn't have a break down.

One dimension gets used too much. One dimension is usually just a pure goal scorer. He can score goals. Pass as good as anyone. He's fast.
- JVR_42_PK81

i will agree that it's a got a bit of an unfair feel to it.

i don't think the argument has ever been that he's not a great offensive player. it's that he's a one-dimensional player.
- DoubleDown

We live in a world where Nik Kulemin is considered a "Two-Way" forward. If Phil played anywhere else, his "One-dimension" would not be nearly as big of a deal.

I personally think defensive play has become ridiculously overrated. I've never seen a time it's tougher to score a 5 on 5 goal. Offensive skills cannot simply be taught.

you mean 5?
- DoubleDown

Nope 7 points. Tied for 2nd in the Olympics.

yeah. not saying that's a bad thing. he's a gamebreaker. but it keeps him out of the conversation when talking about the best players in the NHL.
- DoubleDown

There are many great player who arent good defensively. When I think of one-dimensional I think pure goal scorer, pure pass first player blah blah.

In terms of production he's amongst the very best in the league, and has the ability to change a game on his own. If he can do that, (frank) his defensive issues (which he has improved a bit on).

Now don't get me wrong, I'm not arguing with you, completely understand what you mean.