Seabrook is not considered "Elite". Weber, Keith, Doughty, Karlsson, Subban are.
- mushalain1

so karlsson is in your top 5?

how isn't seabrook in that category? o a montreal guy! now I get the chara hate. a -14 in over 50 playoff games is not really that bad for a defensive dman. I mean seriously!?!
- joshs

No Chara hate. He's one of the reasons we beat the 'Goons' this season. That and the Three Stooges.

-14 for defense man dman in his playoff career playing for 2 defensive teams... right...
- mushalain1

shea weber was a minus player the last two years since suter left.
also been minus in two different seasons of playoffs.

its cause these guys play all the tough competition over huge amounts of minutes on lesser teams than some of the juggernauts.

don't even get me started on the massive list of GREAT defensive players that have been minuses over full seasons in their careers.
plus/minus is useless stat that doesn't tell the story in any way shape or form. most people know this by now.

I don't really watch much of Chicago regular season. I just prefer a traditional dman and I think seabrook fits that mold more. last playoffs seabrook was Chicago best defenseman. I think keith is awesome too.
- joshs

far enough

to each his own

Ryan carter apparently just signed with the rangers, gaining traction on twitter

"chara's done"; the same season he's the Norris runner up

shea weber was a minus player the last two years since suter left.
also been minus in two different seasons of playoffs.

its cause these guys play all the tough competition over huge amounts of minutes on lesser teams than some of the juggernauts.

don't even get me started on the massive list of GREAT defensive players that have been minuses over full seasons in their careers.
plus/minus is useless stat that doesn't tell the story in any way shape or form. most people know this by now.
- hugefemale dog77

I'm sure Ovechkin would appreciate you saying that.

Seabrook is in the top 10

I'm sure Ovechkin would appreciate you saying that.
- Gretz2Kurri

That's taking it to extremes. Don't b that guy

Seabrook is not considered "Elite". Weber, Keith, Doughty, Karlsson, Subban are.
- mushalain1

Karlsson is NOT elite.

Karlsson is NOT elite.
- YzermanIsTheMan

Good Luck

PK is a fantastic player, but not worth nearly 9 mil a year.
Phaneuf is over payed, no one will argue that- but remember PK didn't crack the line up for team Canada this year, he watched from the press box, so how is he worth more than every other defender on team Canada, let alone U.S. Sweden etc...
- Liger4

Cap is going up and if Doughty were to sign today he would sign for $9 mil.

Good Luck
- Fruitcakenipple

Karlsson is NOT elite.
- YzermanIsTheMan

Seabrook is in the top 10
- Flyfreaky

Sea rook is a great compliment to the upper echelon D

Sea rook is a great compliment to the upper echelon D
- Champ

he might not be the great offensive threat that some of those other guys are, but that (frank)er can play hockey

Good Luck
- Fruitcakenipple

Yeah. I figured as much when I hit submit. But someone has to let them know the truth.

Yeah. I figured as much when I hit submit. But someone has to let them know the truth.
- YzermanIsTheMan

never let go of the dream

never let go of the dream
- Flyfreaky

As long as I have your support.

As long as I have your support.
- YzermanIsTheMan

i've always got your rear covered

i've always got your rear covered
- Flyfreaky

Just don't ask me to cover yours. It'd have to put hobby lobby out of cloth sales for a while

Just don't ask me to cover yours. It'd have to put hobby lobby out of cloth sales for a while
- YzermanIsTheMan[url]

so karlsson is in your top 5?
- joshs

easily

easily
- mushalain1

he's like a winger playing d

he's like a winger playing d
- Flyfreaky

So was Paul Coffey. And he's considered one of the best dmen of all time.