Just to make sure I'm understanding this, after August 15, any team can sign Hayes and Chicago gets nothing, right?

So then the idea is that Chicago will either trade his rights or allow a team, prior to August 15, to try to sign Hayes and the compensation going back to the Hawks would be a 2015 2nd round pick?
- wolfhounds

Chicago gets a compensation pick, 24th of the 2nd round. The team that signs Hayes does not give anything up though.

Chicago gets a compensation pick, 24th of the 2nd round. The team that signs Hayes does not give anything up though.
- Hemingways

I get it. Thanks.

Especially since the Hawks landed Rasmussen(sp).
I dont see Chi not reaching a deal with this kid.Kane and Towes will carry huge cap hits and theyll need cheap talent on the roster. If they cant, id love for the flyers to snatch him

edit...this tablet blows
- KINGKENZO

I'd be shocked if the Hawks sign Hayes. He's refused to sign so far, reportedly wants guaranteed NHL playing time that he hasn't earned. There's no reason for the kid to sign with the Hawks now, he'll just wait a month and find some team willing to give him what he wants, but it will likely be a non-contender. I'd be leery of any kid who demands that, no matter what team I was running.

Chicago gets a compensation pick, 24th of the 2nd round. The team that signs Hayes does not give anything up though.
- Hemingways

Do they pull the pick out of bettman's butt?

I'd be shocked if the Hawks sign Hayes. He's refused to sign so far, reportedly wants guaranteed NHL playing time that he hasn't earned. There's no reason for the kid to sign with the Hawks now, he'll just wait a month and find some team willing to give him what he wants, but it will likely be a non-contender. I'd be leery of any kid who demands that, no matter what team I was running.
- Hemingways

Yup, and no matter what the GM says in July/August, it's what the coach thinks in October/November that really matters.

Do they pull the pick out of bettman's butt?
- funmaster18

Right. That has to be some team's pick.

Do they pull the pick out of bettman's butt?
- funmaster18

Yep. It's like the NFL's compensation picks. They're just created and sandwiched in between the other teams.


Another note though, I highly doubt Hayes' rights are traded. The reason is, the Hawks know they get the 24th pick in the 2nd round if he leaves. To trade him they'd want something more than that, or at least a known commodity, i.e. a player they value more than the pick. If they traded him to the Flyers for a 2 there is a fair to good chance the Flyers pick will be later than the 24th. So why make that trade? Unless it's something like a 2nd and another pick if the player is signed, like say a 4th rounder, which I could see happening.

Sorry but he's coming to Calgary to play with his BC linemates Johhny & Arnold

Hey Bill, why tarde for anything.

Flyers call Kevin Hayes' agent - if they like you, he signs with you.

Don't make it more complicated than that, because of the kid wants to sign elsewhere you need him to want Philly, and wasting a pick on acquiring rights is pointless...

Yep. It's like the NFL's compensation picks. They're just created and sandwiched in between the other teams.


Another note though, I highly doubt Hayes' rights are traded. The reason is, the Hawks know they get the 24th pick in the 2nd round if he leaves. To trade him they'd want something more than that, or at least a known commodity, i.e. a player they value more than the pick. If they traded him to the Flyers for a 2 there is a fair to good chance the Flyers pick will be later than the 24th. So why make that trade? Unless it's something like a 2nd and another pick if the player is signed, like say a 4th rounder, which I could see happening.
- Hemingways

And if Chicago has a 2nd already, that would make 31 picks in a round? That doesn't sound right to me. Not saying it's not true, because I have no idea.

You have to assume that any offer would have to have greater value than the compensatory pick, which could be an early 2nd-rounder in a deep draft (PHX got #35 in the Blake Wheeler thing).

I almost doubt that any team will pony up that much to grab the kid, who's basically had one outstanding season... I expect Florida will probably take the biggest run at him Aug 15... his bro's under contract there and Tallon has a fondness for poaching Hawks property.
- Tomahawk

NO It works like this The Hawks and only the hawks get the 54th pick in the draft.
The kid was drafted in the first at 24, 30 picks later is the pick the leagues gives the hawks.

If you draft a kid first overall and you offer him a contract and he says no, you get the first pick in the second round slot 31.

Rule applies to only first rounders and the team who does the selecting gets a second rund at the same spot...making the second round 31 players.

Yep. It's like the NFL's compensation picks. They're just created and sandwiched in between the other teams.


Another note though, I highly doubt Hayes' rights are traded. The reason is, the Hawks know they get the 24th pick in the 2nd round if he leaves. To trade him they'd want something more than that, or at least a known commodity, i.e. a player they value more than the pick. If they traded him to the Flyers for a 2 there is a fair to good chance the Flyers pick will be later than the 24th. So why make that trade? Unless it's something like a 2nd and another pick if the player is signed, like say a 4th rounder, which I could see happening.
- Hemingways

Flyers dont even have a second rounder so it's highly unlikely we get him.

And if Chicago has a 2nd already, that would make 31 picks in a round? That doesn't sound right to me. Not saying it's not true, because I have no idea.
- funmaster18

The sound you were hearing doesn't matter-here are the words.
It has already happened.

Cherepanov was drafted by the New York Rangers in the first round of the 2007 entry draft. He was selected 17th overall. Earlier this season he died, while playing a game in the KHL. The Rangers never had a chance to sign him. When a team fails to sign a first round draft pick the CBA gives them a compensatory draft pick. If the pick was 17th overall in the first round, the compensatory pick will be the 17th selection in the second round. Since Cherepanov died, the Rangers will not sign him. Therefore the Rangers are getting a compensatory draft pick. The New York Rangers will have the 17th selection in the second round. 47th overall 2009

http://www.draftsite.com/nhl/draft-history/2009/

Flyers dont even have a second rounder so it's highly unlikely we get him.
- hereticpride

You don't have to give up a second rounder.. .

Flyers dont even have a second rounder so it's highly unlikely we get him.
- hereticpride

Apparently the Flyers (or any other team) wouldn't give up anything if they signed Hayes after August 15.

The song you were doesn't matter-here are the words.
It has already happened.

Cherepanov was drafted by the New York Rangers in the first round of the 2007 entry draft. He was selected 17th overall. Earlier this season he died, while playing a game in the KHL. The Rangers never had a chance to sign him. When a team fails to sign a first round draft pick the CBA gives them a compensatory draft pick. If the pick was 17th overall in the first round, the compensatory pick will be the 17th selection in the second round. Since Cherepanov died, the Rangers will not sign him. Therefore the Rangers are getting a compensatory draft pick. The New York Rangers will have the 17th selection in the second round. 47th overall 2009

http://www.draftsite.com/nhl/draft-history/2009/
- wiz1901

The song I was wha? Like I said I have no idea , just didn't sound right.

Apparently the Flyers (or any other team) wouldn't give up anything if they signed Hayes after August 15.
- wolfhounds

I meant trading for his rights. Unless we fork up another player.

The song I was wha? Like I said I have no idea , just didn't sound right.
- funmaster18

i'm with you i don't get it

i'm with you i don't get it
- -davies-

Team fundavies

The biggest improvement Hextall can make with the Flyers is on the Phantoms. For all the things I do like About Homer, the management of our farm team over the years has been the biggest disappointment. I love the idea of doing the Bull Durham for the the AHL prospects and bringing in some career tweeners to do what it is they do and serve that mentor/callup role that they do. These guys perform an important function and you never know, can be called up and become extremely effective in the right situations. They constantly show what it takes to be a pro in this league and how hard you have to work to keep at it. Basically saying, if you want to play in the next league, you may have the talent, but you have to outwork me to get there.

I love that Hexy is looking at how we develop our talent and not just who, or how we draft. Living in LA, To me that's what he did right in on the west coast. He sheltered a lot of the talent playing today by letting them develop slowly. It's why I think the big team is what it is, and maybe even Laughton is going to start with the Phantoms, at least in the beginning.

In down the shore in the same place I was when the VL signing broke. Make it two in a row and see him traded too?

I'll be seriously stoked if all we do the rest of the summer is trade Vinny and sign Hayes.

It'd be nice to poach a kid with that kind of skill & size combo
- Jsaquella

It would be nice.

I'll be seriously stoked if all we do the rest of the summer is trade Vinny and sign Hayes.
- mochoson

What if we trade Vinny for Hayes haha jk

I'll be seriously stoked if all we do the rest of the summer is trade Vinny and sign Hayes.
- mochoson

That would be ideal.