Exactly, Andrew MacDonald played top minutes for the isles but no one would pay him top pairing money... Oh, wait.
- Isles_since_6

Exactly! A guy is getting a lot of money so he must be a top line player! David Bolland has got to be one of the best centres in the league! I mean, the guy is making as much money as John Tavares next season so he must be good!

Im sure 29 other Gm's would rather have RoR over JvR in a heartbeat. Tsn did a Mock draft of the 2009 draft as of today and they RoR going 4th overall. He is high thought of through the league right now.
- welch33

Absolutely. Nobody would want JVR. ROR, his dad, and his Lady Bing trophy FTW.

Exactly, Andrew MacDonald played top minutes for the isles but no one would pay him top pairing money... Oh, wait.
- Isles_since_6

He is making less than Orpik and is twice the Dman he is.

Im sure 29 other Gm's would rather have RoR over JvR in a heartbeat. Tsn did a Mock draft of the 2009 draft as of today and they RoR going 4th overall. He is high thought of through the league right now.
- welch33

im not quite sure that is accurate..jvr is big makes great plays and scores 30 and is no doubt a top line player,ROR is a very good smallish playmaker that scored 28 goals had a career year and is maybe a first line but now prob a 2nd line player,kinda reminds me of bozak except more talented..there both pretty good but I give JVR the nod here

He is making less than Orpik and is twice the Dman he is.
- xShoot4WarAmpsx

But is he good in the locker room?

He is making less than Orpik and is twice the Dman he is.
- xShoot4WarAmpsx

You've had him a month, I've watched his entire NHL career. You'll see, give it til November. He's a soft defender who doesn't see the ice well at all. I know someone else would have given him that money as a UFA but if he's still with the flyers after half that contract length I'll be shocked.

im not quite sure that is accurate..jvr is big makes great plays and scores 30 and is no doubt a top line player,ROR is a very good smallish playmaker that scored 28 goals had a career year and is maybe a first line but now prob a 2nd line player,kinda reminds me of bozak except more talented..there both pretty good but I give JVR the nod here
- Daddichronic

ah oh

Wideman for bailey

Wideman for bailey
- Bigern4MVP

Thats actually a pretty fair trade... I wouldnt want to make it thou.

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He is making less than Orpik and is twice the Dman he is.
- xShoot4WarAmpsx

Just keep telling yourself that.

Thats actually a pretty fair trade... I wouldnt want to make it thou.

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- XxNYIxX

I don't want that kind of defenseman. We have plenty of those on the team.

I think the trade offer was something line 3rd rd pick for Bailey + 2nd rd pick.
The guy has never had a 40 pt season in the NHL, and is on a terrible contract.

I think the trade offer was something line 3rd rd pick for Bailey + 2nd rd pick.
The guy has never had a 40 pt season in the NHL, and is on a terrible contract.
- GardinerExpress

He's no David Clarkson though.

Im sure 29 other Gm's would rather have RoR over JvR in a heartbeat. Tsn did a Mock draft of the 2009 draft as of today and they RoR going 4th overall. He is high thought of through the league right now.
- welch33

all 29 other Gm's would rather have a 6-6.5 million ROR over a 4.25 million JVR?
I somehow doubt this, in my opinion it's a tossup, and I certainly wouldnt include
Kadri or Gardiner in the package to get him

He's no David Clarkson though.
- TheCalSen

The leafs can spend 20 million more than the Sens, so we can afford a couple bad contracts...can the sens?

Im sure 29 other Gm's would rather have RoR over JvR in a heartbeat. Tsn did a Mock draft of the 2009 draft as of today and they RoR going 4th overall. He is high thought of through the league right now.
- welch33

No doubt

Just curious about that mock draft,where can i find it??Im looking at TSN 2009 mock draft right now.It says someone else.

If i had to redraft theres no doubt he would go high!

The leafs can spend 20 million more than the Sens, so we can afford a couple bad contracts...can the sens?
- GardinerExpress

We have had better teams over the last decade as a result...

He is making less than Orpik and is twice the Dman he is.
- xShoot4WarAmpsx

Andrew Macdonald is a piece of junk. I'm not saying that because of sour grapes I'm saying it bcs it's true. Great first season and went down hill from there. Capuano was a moron(still is btw)for giving him the assignments and minutes he did. I've watched him as a Flyer and have no idea what you guys see in him? He was just as bad on a better team. Our defense improved after that trade. If you guys love him great. I'm happy he's not here anymore.

Dont get me wrong. I love the Kesler trade for the Ducks. And its what they needed. I also hate it because the Ducks got better. And yeah, maybe his best season is yet to come.

On that note. I can just see how Marleau would have more value than Kesler and Spezza.
- poisondhearts37

it might help if he went to a team that had the same kind of supporting cast that might help him look better...as opposed to a team that paid a lot but he was the only real star on the team...he may look like a bust then 1 more thing to add he will be 35 next fall Kesler will be turning 30

all 29 other Gm's would rather have a 6-6.5 million ROR over a 4.25 million JVR?
I somehow doubt this, in my opinion it's a tossup, and I certainly wouldnt include
Kadri or Gardiner in the package to get him
- GardinerExpress

Wait Two years when you have to resign JVR Lol, he will come with a price...

Wait Two years when you have to resign JVR Lol, he will come with a price...
- welch33

4 years. Just saying.

I don't want that kind of defenseman. We have plenty of those on the team.
- dcb1

I was thinking more like T.J. Brodie and a 3rd pick for Bailey

No doubt

Just curious about that mock draft,where can i find it??Im looking at TSN 2009 mock draft right now.It says someone else.

If i had to redraft theres no doubt he would go high!
- nbboy

Here is the site http://www.draftsite.com/nhl/redraft/2009/

Leaf rumours=Hits. Go Eklund!

Im sure 29 other Gm's would rather have RoR over JvR in a heartbeat. Tsn did a Mock draft of the 2009 draft as of today and they RoR going 4th overall. He is high thought of through the league right now.
- welch33

Oh screw off. That's such bullpoop.