He's a useful, versatile veteran. Wouldn't have mind him for cheap.
- systemtool

What in your mind is cheap for him

What in your mind is cheap for him
- MTL1

1.5-2 million. Perhaps 2.5, nothing more. And on a short term deal.

That said, no way he signs it.

Ott's old and slow and has terrible possession numbers.
- gravyface

Isn't he 31 -32?

Only because the flyers gm is an idiot!
- Fakepartofme

that was a good trade for philly, we don't need jvr

Isn't he 31 -32?
- MTL1

Yea, not sure why people act like he's 36 or something.

You can't be serious.
- gravyface

The cost would be a lot to acquire him.
Kane doesn't bring any leadership....only attitude

1.5-2 million. Perhaps 2.5, nothing more. And on a short term deal.

That said, no way he signs it.
- systemtool

I would have to agree
2.75+

that was a good trade for philly, we don't need jvr
- Flyfreaky

Sure you don't.

I guess you were missing a pylon on the back end.

Jvr could have garnered a better return elsewhere.
I feel bad that you actually gave up jvr for Schenn.

But then I laugh

1.5-2 million. Perhaps 2.5, nothing more. And on a short term deal.

That said, no way he signs it.
- systemtool

Ya he'll get offered more on a longer term

Sure you don't.

I guess you were missing a pylon on the back end.

Jvr could have garnered a better return elsewhere.
I feel bad that you actually gave up jvr for Schenn.

But then I laugh
- Fakepartofme

i'm not a big fan of jvr, so none of this bothers me

the flyers fixed schenn after the leafs (frank)ed him up and now he's on his way to becoming a norris winner

I believe robidas is the oldest guy on the team now
- MTL1

It's ok, he'll get plenty of rest in the press box while on the ir

Ya he'll get offered more on a longer term
- Fakepartofme

especially by teams that need to reach the floor

Ok I haven't studied possession numbers or Corsi or fenwick and these new age stats

When they say possession numbers does that mean for the individual player

i'm not a big fan of jvr, so none of this bothers me

the flyers fixed schenn after the leafs (frank)ed him up and now he's on his way to becoming a norris winner
- Flyfreaky

I saw him play last season......they didn't fix anything.
Still useless.
Happy to see our 4th liners skate by him

Ya he'll get offered more on a longer term
- Fakepartofme

For every day past July 1st, the price will go down on all of these UFA's. The music is still playing, but there are fewer chairs left than when they began.

especially by teams that need to reach the floor
- Flyfreaky

For sure

I saw him play last season......they didn't fix anything.
Still useless.
Happy to see our 4th liners skate by him
- Fakepartofme

i think you're confusing him with dion

For every day past July 1st, the price will go down on all of these UFA's. The music is still playing, but there are fewer chairs left than when they began.
- The Shrike

There are still 80+ spots remaining to fill every team with 23 players

i think you're confusing him with dion
- Flyfreaky

No no, you are only paying 4 million for your pylon, we're paying our pylon 7

Ok I haven't studied possession numbers or Corsi or fenwick and these new age stats

When they say possession numbers does that mean for the individual player
- MTL1

Relative Corsi for St. Louis (Ott included) players last year:


http://www.extraskater.co...sort=cf_pct_rel&min_gp=25

Relative Corsi for St. Louis (Ott included) players last year:


http://www.extraskater.co...sort=cf_pct_rel&min_gp=25
- The Shrike

Ok so what is relative Corsi
So the other team has 5.9 shots more when he is on the ice?

No no, you are only paying 4 million got your pylon, we're paying our pylon 7.
- Fakepartofme

hmmmmmm, l.schenn @ 3.6m, i might have to re-evaluate my thoughts about this

I believe robidas is the oldest guy on the team now
- MTL1

I believe he's the only player over 30.

I believe he's the only player over 30.
- BetterCallSaul

Need 1 or 2 more guys in that age range

Ok so what is relative Corsi
So the other team has 5.9 shots more when he is on the ice?
- MTL1

So the team average for St Louis is 55.9%, i.e. 55.9% of all shots in their games are towards the opposition goal.

For Ott, the -5.9% indicates that his own numbers are that much worse than the average (in his case, 50%).

Another way of looking at it is that St Louis generally had more possession and shots when he was on the bench.

That in itself isn't a convincing argument, but they also had a VERY low PDO (Sv% + scoring % with him on the ice), so not only were they shot on more with him on the ice than not on the ice, these chances were generally better quality ones too. Also his GF% rel of -27.9% means that in addition to giving up more chances and goals with him on the ice, they were scoring 27.9% less (!) with him on the ice than when he wasn't. So again, not only were they having fewer shots, the shots were generally of MUCH lower quality.