You upped it by 1?
- MTL1

Leo Clarkov signing.....

The O'Rielly rumor is nice but we actually have enough centers. Feels wierd saying that. Anyways I think we should be using franson Reimer to get a d man from Winnipeg like bogosian.

The O'Rielly rumor is nice but we actually have enough centers. Feels wierd saying that. Anyways I think we should be using franson Reimer to get a d man from Winnipeg like bogosian.
- JVR_42_PK81

O'Rielly pretty much stopped being a center as of last year. He'd be traded for on the basis of replacing Lupul while being able to take face offs when needed.

It'd probably cost Gardiner + Prospect. Don't see it happening.

The Leafs have zero interest in Del Zotto and Ott is a big fat no go as well!!! Maybe there are times when you're just better off not writing something for the sake of writing it Mike!!!

The Leafs have zero interest in Del Zotto and Ott is a big fat no go as well!!! Maybe there are times when you're just better off not writing something for the sake of writing it Mike!!!
- kayakerjack

They have had interest in del zotto before. If franson is traded for a player that is not a defensmen it could happen.

The Leafs have zero interest in Del Zotto and Ott is a big fat no go as well!!! Maybe there are times when you're just better off not writing something for the sake of writing it Mike!!!
- kayakerjack

Why not Ott?

http://www.extraskater.com/player/399/steve-ott

When he was with the Blues, his stats were pretty damn good for a depth PKer. When he was in Dallas, he also had ridiculous possession in a bigger role, was damn good on the PK, good FO%, good two way play. Could be had for small change at this point being unsigned. Could be a steal.

Why not Ott?

http://www.extraskater.com/player/399/steve-ott

When he was with the Blues, his stats were pretty damn good for a depth PKer. When he was in Dallas, he also had ridiculous possession in a bigger role, was damn good on the PK, good FO%, good two way play. Could be had for small change at this point being unsigned. Could be a steal.
- Viktory

We have enough 'depth' players. We should put this extra cap room towards a trade for a top six winger or a top 4 dman, preferably top 2. Our bottom 6 is fine.

We have enough 'depth' players. We should put this extra cap room towards a trade for a top six winger or a top 4 dman, preferably top 2. Our bottom 6 is fine.
- MLeafs81

We don't have enough for a top 6 winger, and none are available on the UFA market.

We don't have enough for a top 6 winger, and none are available on the UFA market.
- systemtool

Trade??I dont know how or what.Maybe someone wants a backup and a defenceman lol.

We don't have enough for a top 6 winger, and none are available on the UFA market.
- systemtool

We'd have enough. A combo of players out of Leivo, Gauthier, Johnson, Franson, Granberg, and some others could get a deal done easily.

We'd have enough. A combo of players out of Leivo, Gauthier, Johnson, Franson, Granberg, and some others could get a deal done easily.
- MLeafs81

Cap space, not assets. Besides, those names aren't getting you a top 6 in return.

We'd have enough. A combo of players out of Leivo, Gauthier, Johnson, Franson, Granberg, and some others could get a deal done easily.
- MLeafs81

Granberg & Gauthier are keepers.

We'd have enough. A combo of players out of Leivo, Gauthier, Johnson, Franson, Granberg, and some others could get a deal done easily.
- MLeafs81

If that was the case, then the worthwhile Top 6 forward would have already been traded for.

Let's be honest here, we have 3-4 legitimate Top 6 Forwards based on the apparent expectations here. Kessel, JVR, Kadri and Lupul. Bozak is the only other forward that seems to be accepted in that role. Yet, trading depth for one so far hasn't been done. Not only that, the fans seem to be at odds at what they really want.

What do Maple Leafs really need? Apparently, they need;

1 Top 2 Dman
1-2 Top 4 Dman
2-3 Top 6 Forwards
1-2 Depth Forwards who can play in most teams top 6

^ Outside of maybe LA, no team has that kind of line up just sitting around, and to take that further, what defines any of those roles?

The Team has signed some good players, not fallen for the lure of FA like most years and haven't traded away a first round pick in 3 straight years. I think we can settle that the Management group is letting the farm develop and expand, and deciding what pieces to keep before a transition into win now happens.

Like, seriously. At this point, Leafs not going to be a contender trading depth for 1-2 of the inflated want list the fans want and can't afford the whole thing. Have to keep drafting and building a deep farm. It's not like the main core of this group is even old. Most aren't in their prime, and guys like Kessel will age gracefully in this league. JVR, Gardiner, Rielly and Bernier are all early/mid twenties. The older pieces are not that old and only the high end or younger players are signed at 4+ years while being over 27(Phaneuf/Lupul withstanding). Teams in a good position.

The only thing the Leafs should worry about now is developing their talent, drafting smart and making the right roster choices that make sense with not trying to blow it up or win right now. The only thing I would agree with them doing is trying to bring in a young, right handed defenseman with a high ceiling to be a Top 4, maybe even Top 2. Of the limited names out there, only 3 seem likely to be had or fit on this team;

Zach Bogosian
Tyler Myers
Travis Hamonic

Top 6 forwards are coming up in the system (Nylander, Brown, Leivo and Verhaegue seem like good Top 6 prospects) and FA season you can acquire that necessity when the team actually has presence and a winning system. Until such a time, signing low risk high reward guys like Santorelli and Konitola, and not going to sign Clarkson esque contracrs is best. And as for making trades? Trade smart. If there is a worthwhile risk that is manageable, like the Vanek/Gaborik deadline deals, then do it. This offseason still has aways to go, and the team seems highly active in pursuing differing avenues. Let's see what happens. Doing nothing more at this point is just as good, in my opinion.

If that was the case, then the worthwhile Top 6 forward would have already been traded for.

Let's be honest here, we have 3-4 legitimate Top 6 Forwards based on the apparent expectations here. Kessel, JVR, Kadri and Lupul. Bozak is the only other forward that seems to be accepted in that role. Yet, trading depth for one so far hasn't been done. Not only that, the fans seem to be at odds at what they really want.

What do Maple Leafs really need? Apparently, they need;

1 Top 2 Dman
1-2 Top 4 Dman
2-3 Top 6 Forwards
1-2 Depth Forwards who can play in most teams top 6

^ Outside of maybe LA, no team has that kind of line up just sitting around, and to take that further, what defines any of those roles?

The Team has signed some good players, not fallen for the lure of FA like most years and haven't traded away a first round pick in 3 straight years. I think we can settle that the Management group is letting the farm develop and expand, and deciding what pieces to keep before a transition into win now happens.

Like, seriously. At this point, Leafs not going to be a contender trading depth for 1-2 of the inflated want list the fans want and can't afford the whole thing. Have to keep drafting and building a deep farm. It's not like the main core of this group is even old. Most aren't in their prime, and guys like Kessel will age gracefully in this league. JVR, Gardiner, Rielly and Bernier are all early/mid twenties. The older pieces are not that old and only the high end or younger players are signed at 4+ years while being over 27(Phaneuf/Lupul withstanding). Teams in a good position.

The only thing the Leafs should worry about now is developing their talent, drafting smart and making the right roster choices that make sense with not trying to blow it up or win right now. The only thing I would agree with them doing is trying to bring in a young, right handed defenseman with a high ceiling to be a Top 4, maybe even Top 2. Of the limited names out there, only 3 seem likely to be had or fit on this team;

Zach Bogosian
Tyler Myers
Travis Hamonic

Top 6 forwards are coming up in the system (Nylander, Brown, Leivo and Verhaegue seem like good Top 6 prospects) and FA season you can acquire that necessity when the team actually has presence and a winning system. Until such a time, signing low risk high reward guys like Santorelli and Konitola, and not going to sign Clarkson esque contracrs is best. And as for making trades? Trade smart. If there is a worthwhile risk that is manageable, like the Vanek/Gaborik deadline deals, then do it. This offseason still has aways to go, and the team seems highly active in pursuing differing avenues. Let's see what happens. Doing nothing more at this point is just as good, in my opinion.
- Viktory

Would've loved to draft Bogosian, or even Myers, instead of Puke Schenn..

You got every thing spot on man. We AREN'T winning a cup any time soon. We need to draft and develop well. Which is why I kept making the argument of trading Phaneuf before or at the draft. To get young players/top picks.

Would've loved to draft Bogosian, or even Myers, instead of Puke Schenn..

You got every thing spot on man. We AREN'T winning a cup any time soon. We need to draft and develop well. Which is why I kept making the argument of trading Phaneuf before or at the draft. To get young players/top picks.
- MCharisma91

Phaneuf's contract might be a bargain for when you're talking about winning

Would've loved to draft Bogosian, or even Myers, instead of Puke Schenn..
You got every thing spot on man. We AREN'T winning a cup any time soon. We need to draft and develop well. Which is why I kept making the argument of trading Phaneuf before or at the draft. To get young players/top picks.
- MCharisma91

Did you think that in 2008' though? Schenn got us a first line young star winger. No regrets picking him.

I;m a fan of trading for Myers, but is it better having him than JVR right now?

Did you think that in 2008' though? Schenn got us a first line young star winger. No regrets picking him.

I;m a fan of trading for Myers, but is it better having him than JVR right now?
- RogerRoeper

yea people dont realize this. had we not picked schenn, we wouldnt have JVR, and we would be out a top line winger. myers hasnt played like a top pairing dman since his rookie season, and bogosian is only starting to come to form now. still would've caused a hole in the lineup regardless

Also, the players picked around Schenn did not turn-out well at all.

I really hate hearing fans say years later with 20/20 hindsight they would have picked "So and so" player. Please show us your posts from the draft year then.

Also, the players picked around Schenn did not turn-out well at all.

I really hate hearing fans say years later with 20/20 hindsight they would have picked "So and so" player. Please show us your posts from the draft year then.
- RogerRoeper

i'll admit, i loved the schenn pick. even bought his jersey. started off great and fell off. happy he netted us JVR though.

Would've loved to draft Bogosian, or even Myers, instead of Puke Schenn..

You got every thing spot on man. We AREN'T winning a cup any time soon. We need to draft and develop well. Which is why I kept making the argument of trading Phaneuf before or at the draft. To get young players/top picks.
- MCharisma91

Might as well keep him, don't see the return being any better than what they gave up to get him in the first place. Unless, you're talking straight up for a similar defenseman for cap purposes and/or change of scenery type deals.

Also, the players picked around Schenn did not turn-out well at all.

I really hate hearing fans say years later with 20/20 hindsight they would have picked "So and so" player. Please show us your posts from the draft year then.
- RogerRoeper

I had 4 players I liked in that draft- schenn(was pumped when we got him), hodgson(thought we'd get him at 7), Myers, and colborne.


This is why I'm not a scout.

- Zezel

you want to take that to Misc thread?

Did you think that in 2008' though? Schenn got us a first line young star winger. No regrets picking him.

I;m a fan of trading for Myers, but is it better having him than JVR right now?
- RogerRoeper

how are you a fan of Myers? the made up hype? its not the numbers, and ya poop team but holy , no points, minus a google

Where's our dam trades?