At 22 men I think they're ok. Close but ok.
- SteveRain

Yeah but don't you also lose 2.7 to resign any of your rfa and ufas during the season. With Kane & Toews take up about 20 mil I think that leaves the Hawks with only about 4 mil to lock up anyone else before March 1.

Put away the worry beads about Hoss. His grand total salary in the last 5 years of his contract is $8M. Buyout the last 5 years at 2/3 spread over 10 years and that's just over $500K per year - less than the cost of a goon like John Scott.

Hoss will play this year and next and then the buyout happens. He probably knows it already.
- RickJ

Pretty sure it doesn't apply to Hossa's contract Rick. That was one of the reason there was talk by outsiders of using a compliance buyout on him last season.

They put something in the new CBA about it.

Al, when is the convention?
- Maggie

July 18-20

Buying out Hossa is the one thing that will be difficult Rick. Because of the new CBA there is a recapture penalty built in for contracts like his.Or Keith's And IIRC they still are on the hook even of they trade him.
- Elbows15

The recapture penalty applies if he retires before the contract ends. Could be wrong but didn't think it applies to a buyout. If it does, there will be a horrible injury that relegates him to LTIR permanently.

Pretty sure it doesn't apply to Hossa's contract Rick. That was one of the reason there was talk by outsiders of using a compliance buyout on him last season.

They put something in the new CBA about it.
- Elbows15

As a matter of example, consider this. If Hossa were to retire after the end of the 2016-17 season (a year in which he’ll turn 38 years old), the Hawks would be on the hook for a $4.275 million salary cap penalty for the four remaining years of Hossa’s deal. That yearly penalty would be assessed if he retired in any of the three years that follow as well, meaning that in the final four years of Hossa’s contract, the Hawks will have a lovely cap penalty hovering over his head.

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Put away the worry beads about Hoss. His grand total salary in the last 5 years of his contract is $8M. Buyout the last 5 years at 2/3 spread over 10 years and that's just over $500K per year - less than the cost of a goon like John Scott.

Hoss will play this year and next and then the buyout happens. He probably knows it already.
- RickJ

Hawks will be up a creek if that happens.

Green.

And speaking of Ole Jonny invincible funny how those ignore how Nad he was when he was young playing with new jersey and atl/wpg didn't they have a name for him? Ah yes. Pizza man delivering all those turnovers which we saw against phoenix.

Sure putting a leddy with hammer who is arguably their best d MAN and plays a stay at home game wouldn't do anything for nick.

Oh well. Could care less who goes but to say they don't win without oduya is crazy like Tg ' proclamation that benching stalberg led to Detroit almost beating then last year.
- SteveRain

Maybe Stan decides to give leddy a shot with nick and if he fails maybe they think dal beck or johns can step into Oduya role. Who know how Stan, Q and the front office evaluates both players. I think we will find out this summer
IMHO I think you keep both and get rid of sharp now
Maybe trade a damn in season if the rookies show they can play

The recapture penalty applies if he retires before the contract ends. Could be wrong but didn't think it applies to a buyout. If it does, there will be a horrible injury that relegates him to LTIR permanently.
- RickJ

The most likely conclusion. I do believe it applies to both though. Could be wrong but I seem to recall it applying to both.

Kap says 10.8 cap hit for 8 yrs on Kane & Toews.

Buying out Hossa is the one thing that will be difficult Rick. Because of the new CBA there is a recapture penalty built in for contracts like his.Or Keith's And IIRC they still are on the hook even of they trade him.
- Elbows15

Why buy him out with his skill he can still be productive on a third or fourth line and his cap hit will be acceptable

If Selanne can play till he's 42 at a high productive level.....why can't Hossa? Why does everyone assume his decline will be so bad he will have to be bought out?

The most likely conclusion. I do believe it applies to both though. Could be wrong but I seem to recall it applying to both.
- Elbows15

What I've read is if a player 'retires or defects', the team is subject to the recapture penalty.

I don't see anything that stipulates not being able to buy a player on one of those contracts out. Buyout in and of itself is a penalty a team incurs against the cap. Doing that with Hoss is just the cheaper way than getting stung with the onerous recapture penalty.

Why buy him out with his skill he can still be productive on a third or fourth line and his cap hit will be acceptable
- molly2522

Since I was responding to another poster's suggestion, ask him. I am sure Rick has valid reasons, he is pretty good hockey guy.

Kap says 10.8 cap hit for 8 yrs on Kane & Toews.
- HockeyMat

Kap is one of the biggest knobs I've ever seen/heard on the Chicago dial. Him and Haugh together is total radio crap. I usually take whatever he has to say and throw it in the crapper.

Kap is one of the biggest knobs I've ever seen/heard on the Chicago dial. Him and Haugh together is total radio crap. I usually take whatever he has to say and throw it in the crapper.
- Dannyboy

Thought since it was coming from CSN it may have some validity.

If Selanne can play till he's 42 at a high productive level.....why can't Hossa? Why does everyone assume his decline will be so bad he will have to be bought out?
- UnnamedSource

I actually agree with you on something my friend

I think Hossa can still be an effective 3rd liner the last few years of his contract.

Don't see him slowing down enough to get in a frenzy over his contact.

What I've read is if a player 'retires or defects', the team is subject to the recapture penalty.

I don't see anything that stipulates not being able to buy a player on one of those contracts out. Buyout in and of itself is a penalty a team incurs against the cap. Doing that with Hoss is just the cheaper way than getting stung with the onerous recapture penalty.
- RickJ

Could be Rick. Seemed a little vague when I read it. But your take could be right.

Kap is one of the biggest knobs I've ever seen/heard on the Chicago dial. Him and Haugh together is total radio crap. I usually take whatever he has to say and throw it in the crapper.
- Dannyboy

David Haugh is bad....Kap was good when he was on WGN but has developed ESPN syndrome....he will take the other side of an argument for the sake of the discussion just to get a debate going.

Kap says 10.8 cap hit for 8 yrs on Kane & Toews.
- HockeyMat

And we have come full circle.

Why buy him out with his skill he can still be productive on a third or fourth line and his cap hit will be acceptable
- molly2522

Marian Hossa buyout from CapGeek

2018-19: $4,608,333
2019-20: $4,608,333
2020-21: $4,608,333
2021-22: $333,333
2022-23: $333,333
2023-24: $333,333

I miss Q..arrrgghh

And we have come full circle.
- Elbows15

True for some. Just reporting what I saw at CSN

I miss Q..arrrgghh
- Elbows15

I do too!

I miss Q..arrrgghh
- Elbows15

So who is all in the sin bin?

True for some. Just reporting what I saw at CSN
- HockeyMat

That is where the whole conversation started. That is the report I saw earlier.