What I do know is Oduya is miles better than Leddy. If you think Leddy can handle the 7th ranked QoC that Oduya faced all season, there really isn't much to try to explain to a hockey novice like you.
- Elbows15

That has nothing to do with hammer right? Just all johnny?

Lastly I'm not a bowman lover by any stretch but I do believe he has wheels in motion to do things to get complaint this year and future years as soon as extensions are done. For once I'm going to give him the benefit if the doubt and hope his prospects pan out as well.

Having 6 figure guys take up 3-5 roster spots is huge in regards to balancing out the larger cap hits.
- SteveRain

To me, Bowman's plans are rather obvious. Will just take some time to play out because they don't have to be done immediately.

Morin, McNeill, Danault, Hartman, TT, Dahlbeck, Johns, Johns, Van R are all pencilled in to play much sooner than later. Clendening and Carey are iffy to ever play. Why all those guys? Because they are home grown, cheap and will be playing on entry level deals or on 1st time RFA contracts where they have no leverage to get big $$ that will upset the team cap number.

Sharp - gone elsewhere well before his contract is completed.
Hossa - buy him out when the cost of the remaining years are cheap.
Seabs - will probably be traded before he gets another big contract from the Hawks.
Oduya - no new contract, may be gone before current one is completed.
Versteeg - may survive this off season, not another one.
Rozsival - will be fortunate to be in Chicago in September
Leddy - gone before he starts asking for $4 - $5M per season

Outside free agents - no expensive ones any time soon.

Bowman will keep this team young even if he has to force feed it to Q. Good lesson can be learned from Bill Torrey - he admitted letting the Islanders get old out of loyalty to the players who won all those Cups. Can't let that happen.

Didn't Leddy play with Hammer a couple of years ago and Nik had his worst season....
- UnnamedSource

They partnered in 2010-11 when Campbell was hurt, IIRC. Don't really remember another time where they were primary partners for an extended period.

I thought you were done talking about Sharp? I would be I am not at liberty to say.
- Elbows15

Im not the guy who keeps bringing him and telling somebody why they would hate Kesler do similar reasons.

So.again fire away.

Not sure. But he solidified Campbell who was defensively incompetent. As well as oduya.

Nick leddy isn't cam barker.
- SteveRain

He did before they acquired Oduya....and Hammer was terrible while he played with Leddy.....

It's the middle of July on a hockey blog. What the hell else are we going to do?
- NewToHockey

It's the middle of July on a hockey blog. What the hell else are we going to do?
- NewToHockey

Now we've entered a new repetitive discussion about another repetitive discussion. It's hockey board inception. I'll just say I was mostly poking fun.

Oduya goes: is Leddy ready (ready steady teddy Leddy) is he ready for top-4 responsibility - even with Hjalmarsson?

And who are 5/6/7 - Roszival/Runbladt/Dahlbeck/Clendenning/???

Leaves half of your defensemen in unproven hands.

My guess is one will have to go to get under the cap for this year.
- StLBravesFan

Depends which one they move. Brookland is still out there and they keep pumping up d man in press and signing old puck moving guys q knows. Tells me it's a d man going. Or they think prospects aren't ready.

Now we've entered a new repetitive discussion about another repetitive discussion. It's hockey board inception. I'll just say I was mostly poking fun.
- L_B_R

You missed the Pirri/Handzus debates.....you haven't seen anything close to repetitive........

To me, Bowman's plans are rather obvious. Will just take some time to play out because they don't have to be done immediately.

Morin, McNeill, Danault, Hartman, TT, Dahlbeck, Johns, Johns, Van R are all pencilled in to play much sooner than later. Clendening and Carey are iffy to ever play. Why all those guys? Because they are home grown, cheap and will be playing on entry level deals or on 1st time RFA contracts where they have no leverage to get big $$ that will upset the team cap number.

Sharp - gone elsewhere well before his contract is completed.
Hossa - buy him out when the cost of the remaining years are cheap.
Seabs - will probably be traded before he gets another big contract from the Hawks.
Oduya - no new contract, may be gone before current one is completed.
Versteeg - may survive this off season, not another one.
Rozsival - will be fortunate to be in Chicago in September
Leddy - gone before he starts asking for $4 - $5M per season

Outside free agents - no expensive ones any time soon.

Bowman will keep this team young even if he has to force feed it to Q. Good lesson can be learned from Bill Torrey - he admitted letting the Islanders get old out of loyalty to the players who won all those Cups. Can't let that happen.
- RickJ

The hawks used their compliance buyouts on Montador and Olesz...but I like the list of prospects and there is a lot of tenacity and grit between hartman, johns, & mcneil...i still see TT as the 2nd line version of Kane light but besides TT which one of those prospects is likely to be a future top 6 forward? hartman or morin maybe?

He did before they acquired Oduya....and Hammer was terrible while he played with Leddy.....
- UnnamedSource

Well maybe then nick leddy is getting booted off Blackhawk island

I heard Hawks aren't a fan of his agent.

Well maybe then nick leddy is getting booted off Blackhawk island

I heard Hawks aren't a fan of his agent.
- SteveRain

that's another thing that has to be considered......

You missed the Pirri/Handzus debates.....you have seen anything close to repetitive........
- UnnamedSource

Oh, I saw, I just didn't engage. I also have mostly stuck to twitter in the past but everyone on there is into soccer right now and that's just boring.

To me, Bowman's plans are rather obvious. Will just take some time to play out because they don't have to be done immediately.

Morin, McNeill, Danault, Hartman, TT, Dahlbeck, Johns, Johns, Van R are all pencilled in to play much sooner than later. Clendening and Carey are iffy to ever play. Why all those guys? Because they are home grown, cheap and will be playing on entry level deals or on 1st time RFA contracts where they have no leverage to get big $$ that will upset the team cap number.

Sharp - gone elsewhere well before his contract is completed.
Hossa - buy him out when the cost of the remaining years are cheap.
Seabs - will probably be traded before he gets another big contract from the Hawks.
Oduya - no new contract, may be gone before current one is completed.
Versteeg - may survive this off season, not another one.
Rozsival - will be fortunate to be in Chicago in September
Leddy - gone before he starts asking for $4 - $5M per season

Outside free agents - no expensive ones any time soon.

Bowman will keep this team young even if he has to force feed it to Q. Good lesson can be learned from Bill Torrey - he admitted letting the Islanders get old out of loyalty to the players who won all those Cups. Can't let that happen.
- RickJ

Yeah. I really wish they'd have gone after Stastny.

Depends which one they move. Brookland is still out there and they keep pumping up d man in press and signing old puck moving guys q knows. Tells me it's a d man going. Or they think prospects aren't ready.
- SteveRain

If you move Leddy, have to move someone else, too: his net cap hit is only about $2MM - need to lose at least $2.2 just to get even with the cap - and you certainly want to have a couple hundred large for breathing room.

To me, Bowman's plans are rather obvious. Will just take some time to play out because they don't have to be done immediately.

Morin, McNeill, Danault, Hartman, TT, Dahlbeck, Johns, Johns, Van R are all pencilled in to play much sooner than later. Clendening and Carey are iffy to ever play. Why all those guys? Because they are home grown, cheap and will be playing on entry level deals or on 1st time RFA contracts where they have no leverage to get big $$ that will upset the team cap number.

Sharp - gone elsewhere well before his contract is completed.
Hossa - buy him out when the cost of the remaining years are cheap.
Seabs - will probably be traded before he gets another big contract from the Hawks.
Oduya - no new contract, may be gone before current one is completed.
Versteeg - may survive this off season, not another one.
Rozsival - will be fortunate to be in Chicago in September
Leddy - gone before he starts asking for $4 - $5M per season

Outside free agents - no expensive ones any time soon.

Bowman will keep this team young even if he has to force feed it to Q. Good lesson can be learned from Bill Torrey - he admitted letting the Islanders get old out of loyalty to the players who won all those Cups. Can't let that happen.
- RickJ

Agreed. That all makes sense and we may see some of these moves pretty soon.

That has nothing to do with hammer right? Just all johnny?
- SteveRain

Hjalmarsson faced the 4th ranked QoC. If you think Q would have faith in Leddy to play that role when all evidence shows he doesn't. then I think Oduya has something to so with it.

Try looking at some advance stats to see how the Hawks' D was utilize. Keith and Seabrook would go back to being in primarily a shut down role. Which they can and have sone well in their careers. Hjalmarsson would then be utilized in a more offensive role because everyone knows Leddy can not be asked to be in a shutdown role thereby limiting his effectiveness.

Moving Keith and Seabrook to a shutdown role will have a trickle down affect on the offensive production of the forwards they play with because they would have to temper their offensive game because they would be getting primarily D zone starts.

But yeah..its all Johnny Love.

To me, Bowman's plans are rather obvious. Will just take some time to play out because they don't have to be done immediately.

Morin, McNeill, Danault, Hartman, TT, Dahlbeck, Johns, Johns, Van R are all pencilled in to play much sooner than later. Clendening and Carey are iffy to ever play. Why all those guys? Because they are home grown, cheap and will be playing on entry level deals or on 1st time RFA contracts where they have no leverage to get big $$ that will upset the team cap number.

Sharp - gone elsewhere well before his contract is completed.
Hossa - buy him out when the cost of the remaining years are cheap.
Seabs - will probably be traded before he gets another big contract from the Hawks.
Oduya - no new contract, may be gone before current one is completed.
Versteeg - may survive this off season, not another one.
Rozsival - will be fortunate to be in Chicago in September
Leddy - gone before he starts asking for $4 - $5M per season

Outside free agents - no expensive ones any time soon.

Bowman will keep this team young even if he has to force feed it to Q. Good lesson can be learned from Bill Torrey - he admitted letting the Islanders get old out of loyalty to the players who won all those Cups. Can't let that happen.
- RickJ

Oduya might stay around if he takes a discount like Hammer did.

The Hossa contract is a poser. The new CBA put in that poison pill that seemed directed at only 3 contracts; Kovalchuk, Hossa and Keith. They let the Devils off the hook when they should have been penalized for the next 10 years or so. What will happen when Hossa hangs them up? Right now, he is too effective to let go. In just a few years, that cap penalty will be $4.5M IIRC per year for each year bought out.

The fact that the Hawks appear to be the only team in the league that might get burned on this new rule is total BS, IMO.

If you move Leddy, have to move someone else, too: his net cap hit is only about $2MM - need to lose at least $2.2 just to get even with the cap - and you certainly want to have a couple hundred large for breathing room.
- StLBravesFan

At 22 men I think they're ok. Close but ok.

If you move Leddy, have to move someone else, too: his net cap hit is only about $2MM - need to lose at least $2.2 just to get even with the cap - and you certainly want to have a couple hundred large for breathing room.
- StLBravesFan

You are forgetting 700K when TT gets sent to Rockford.

Hjalmarsson faced the 4th ranked QoC. If you think Q would have faith in Leddy to play that role when all evidence shows he doesn't. then I think Oduya has something to so with it.

Try looking at some advance stats to see how the Hawks' D was utilize. Keith and Seabrook would go back to being in primarily a shut down role. Which they can and have sone well in their careers. Hjalmarsson would then be utilized in a more offensive role because everyone knows Leddy can not be asked to be in a shutdown role thereby limiting his effectiveness.

Moving Keith and Seabrook to a shutdown role will have a trickle down affect on the offensive production of the forwards they play with because they would have to temper their offensive game because they would be getting primarily D zone starts.

But yeah..its all Johnny Love.
- Elbows15

who's to say those pairs are locked in stone?

Q could easily pit a defensive line of fs out there. You act like they couldn't get out of their zone. I'm sure Toews with Hossa and sharp could play with keith and be just as productive.

It's pointless. You win. Go oduya.

Oduya might stay around if he takes a discount like Hammer did.

The Hossa contract is a poser. The new CBA put in that poison pill that seemed directed at only 3 contracts; Kovalchuk, Hossa and Keith. They let the Devils off the hook when they should have been penalized for the next 10 years or so. What will happen when Hossa hangs them up? Right now, he is too effective to let go. In just a few years, that cap penalty will be $4.5M IIRC per year for each year bought out.

The fact that the Hawks appear to be the only team in the league that might get burned on this new rule is total BS, IMO.
- NewToHockey

Maybe so, but if it was 2009 and you were told of the future consequences with the price yielding two Cups, I'm pretty sure that just about every one would have been fine with the challenge.

You are forgetting 700K when TT gets sent to Rockford.
- NewToHockey

If you want to be at 22 (as Steve said).

I don't.

I like full rosters for flexibility.

If you want to be at 22 (as Steve said).

I don't.

I like full rosters for flexibility.
- StLBravesFan

The flexibility is Rockford is 90 miles away.

Oduya might stay around if he takes a discount like Hammer did.

The Hossa contract is a poser. The new CBA put in that poison pill that seemed directed at only 3 contracts; Kovalchuk, Hossa and Keith. They let the Devils off the hook when they should have been penalized for the next 10 years or so. What will happen when Hossa hangs them up? Right now, he is too effective to let go. In just a few years, that cap penalty will be $4.5M IIRC per year for each year bought out.

The fact that the Hawks appear to be the only team in the league that might get burned on this new rule is total BS, IMO.
- NewToHockey

Put away the worry beads about Hoss. His grand total salary in the last 5 years of his contract is $8M. Buyout the last 5 years at 2/3 spread over 10 years and that's just over $500K per year - less than the cost of a goon like John Scott.

Hoss will play this year and next and then the buyout happens. He probably knows it already.

To me, Bowman's plans are rather obvious. Will just take some time to play out because they don't have to be done immediately.

Morin, McNeill, Danault, Hartman, TT, Dahlbeck, Johns, Johns, Van R are all pencilled in to play much sooner than later. Clendening and Carey are iffy to ever play. Why all those guys? Because they are home grown, cheap and will be playing on entry level deals or on 1st time RFA contracts where they have no leverage to get big $$ that will upset the team cap number.

Sharp - gone elsewhere well before his contract is completed.
Hossa - buy him out when the cost of the remaining years are cheap.
Seabs - will probably be traded before he gets another big contract from the Hawks.
Oduya - no new contract, may be gone before current one is completed.
Versteeg - may survive this off season, not another one.
Rozsival - will be fortunate to be in Chicago in September
Leddy - gone before he starts asking for $4 - $5M per season

Outside free agents - no expensive ones any time soon.

Bowman will keep this team young even if he has to force feed it to Q. Good lesson can be learned from Bill Torrey - he admitted letting the Islanders get old out of loyalty to the players who won all those Cups. Can't let that happen.
- RickJ

Buying out Hossa is the one thing that will be difficult Rick. Because of the new CBA there is a recapture penalty built in for contracts like his.Or Keith's And IIRC they still are on the hook even of they trade him.