Was it Logan - and Adcock's homer (double) was the first hit?
- StLBravesFan

Somebody not Logan got on with an error, they intentionally walked Aaron then Adcock homered. Aaron left the basepath and subsequently was passed by Adcock so the only run that counted was the guy who got on from the error.

Clete Boyer here. That was before I got the bug to be a catcher.
- savvyone-1

I still feel like an bumhole to this day. My dad had a Roy Campenella mitt that I would use now and then. One day I couldn't find it. Don't know if someone stole it when I was at the park or if I just lost it somewhere myself. But it never showed up.

They shouldn't. If some gm pays bolland 5.5 or somebody offered stasny over 8 million that's not on Toews and Kane.

The assumption of hometown discounts is laughable. NHL PA would love a big deal to slide in more next tier guys at higher levels.
- SteveRain

Difficult to slide the next tier guys in: can't do it in Chicago, for instance, or any other team up to the cap; budget teams won't do it because they don't want to spend the money.

It's a hard cap league: players get 50%. If that's $2 billion over a season, it's $2 billion no matter what they sign for.

If they sign for less, there is more for the other 688 players in the league; if they sign for more, there's less for the other 688 players.

No matter how much or how little they sign for, the players in total will get 50% of the HRR - no more, no less.

Any "excess" they sign for comes out of the picket of some mid-level or lower player - less room for them.
- StLBravesFan

Or big names.

Point is they are going to sign and the parameters can be a variant of different ways. Short term higher aav, longer term high aav. Either way I'd be shocked if they aren't at least 9.5 when the dust settles.

My whole point is I don't want to hear the old.cliches if they max their value. Again not 19 or 88 or brisson job. That's Bowmans. And the longer this wgole.thing goes tells me it's a helluva lot higher then what Bowman wanted. Or else why not sign NOW?

I Went with my older brother in 1957 during a Saturday afternoon game. Mezzanine tkt cost my older brother $ 5.00 each. They still had chicken wire around the rink instead of plexiglas. In 1962 the cost of 2nd balcony seats around the bend were about $ 5.00 and standing room seats( which I had cost $ 1. 50 ) . By 1964 the same seats doubled up to $ 3.00. The Hawks had full houses by 1964.
- spanky

Cool. Thanks for the info spanky.

For real? 2 Marque marketable winners entering their prime? You have arguably the best Canadian born player and american born player in the game on your team.

All the sponsors, etc and season ticket waiting list and god knows what else.

Again you want to blame somebody blame bowman. He should have seen this coming for years. His job to make all the pieces work.
- SteveRain

So much for the goal of being a championship team.

Somebody not Logan got on with an error, they intentionally walked Aaron then Adcock homered. Aaron left the basepath and subsequently was passed by Adcock so the only run that counted was the guy who got on from the error.
- Canardhawk

Just looked it up: Felix Mantilla safe on Hoak's error, sacrifice bunt by Mathews, intentional walk to Aaron, homer-double by Adcock.

Screw it - it was 55 years ago.

For real? 2 Marque marketable winners entering their prime? You have arguably the best Canadian born player and american born player in the game on your team.

All the sponsors, etc and season ticket waiting list and god knows what else.

Again you want to blame somebody blame bowman. He should have seen this coming for years. His job to make all the pieces work.
- SteveRain

>#16's raise won't be that substantial unless he puts up more points
>Same with Leddy if he is around
>Sharp is bye-bye for sure by end of next year
>The key will be Saad's bridge deal -- what will that be?

Or big names.

Point is they are going to sign and the parameters can be a variant of different ways. Short term higher aav, longer term high aav. Either way I'd be shocked if they aren't at least 9.5 when the dust settles.

My whole point is I don't want to hear the old.cliches if they max their value. Again not 19 or 88 or brisson job. That's Bowmans. And the longer this wgole.thing goes tells me it's a helluva lot higher then what Bowman wanted. Or else why not sign NOW?
- SteveRain

This.

I said a couple of days ago - I'm guessing $10 each per.

They shouldn't. If some gm pays bolland 5.5 or somebody offered stasny over 8 million that's not on Toews and Kane.

The assumption of hometown discounts is laughable. NHL PA would love a big deal to slide in more next tier guys at higher levels.
- SteveRain

5.5 is too high for Bolland, no doubt. But he earned that previous contract in my book. What was it? 3.5? A huge part of 2 Cups and another deep run in 2009. The Hawks are a tough team to figure. It is the depth that won them 2 Cups. Sure toews and Kane are huge parts of it and put up the most points but they don't win without the great depth here

So much for the goal of being a championship team.
- Elbows15

Sure. Go tell your boss you want less because you want an ideal work environment or if you're on pension return it because the state is broke.

My goodness. You going to burn down the board when they sign and criticize them and gather the mob to storm trump tower?

Place was packed. There probably was more than that in there. It would literally rock when the crowd was roaring.
- Elbows15

You are right about packed houses on Sunday night games especially against theCanadians. The doors would open up at six and I would run up those hundreds of stairs so I could claim a standing seat by the railing in the middle. I swear there must have been 5 rows of guys behind me. There would be a haze of smoke above the rink from all the smoking going on. Trying to get to a bathroom was almost impossible during a game in the second balcony. Their must have been at least 50 fire men walking proudly with their uniform on during games. Good old senior Witz gave these boys free admission as a bribe so he could shove as many patrons in the stadium.

No matter how much or how little they sign for, the players in total will get 50% of the HRR - no more, no less.

Any "excess" they sign for comes out of the picket of some mid-level or lower player - less room for them.
- StLBravesFan

Ya a players union that will defend the borderline NHL player as he mulls and maims his way through his career.Eliminating good players like Savard as well as possibly shortening numerous other careers.I get what you are saying about 50-50,just seems to me that it isn't that simple.The big spending teams drive the 50-50 while the cap floor reachers put the stick in the spokes,

You are right about packed houses on Sunday night games especially against theCanadians. The doors would open up at six and I would run up those hundreds of stairs so I could claim a standing seat by the railing in the middle. I swear there must have been 5 rows of guys behind me. There would be a haze of smoke above the rink from all the smoking going on. Trying to get to a bathroom was almost impossible during a game in the second balcony. Their must have been at least 50 fire men walking proudly with their uniform on during games. Good old senior Witz gave these boys free admission as a bribe so he could shove as many patrons in the stadium.
- spanky

Were you ever there for a Bruins or Flyers game after a sunday afternoon Bears game?

The simple solution is to move one of them now. Move em to get into the early portion of the draft next year where there is 3-4 franchise type players.

Giving in excess of 30% of your cap space to 2 guys who are less than a PPG players is ludicrous.

The will become the Penguins. Yay.

This.

I said a couple of days ago - I'm guessing $10 each per.
- StLBravesFan

I'm with you. I've been thinking 9.375+ for awhile. I think it's low because the deal.still isn't done.

They may announce at convention as McDonough loves the big splash. Could easily see that and the clown it gets to that I think the possibility increases.

You are right about packed houses on Sunday night games especially against theCanadians. The doors would open up at six and I would run up those hundreds of stairs so I could claim a standing seat by the railing in the middle. I swear there must have been 5 rows of guys behind me. There would be a haze of smoke above the rink from all the smoking going on. Trying to get to a bathroom was almost impossible during a game in the second balcony. Their must have been at least 50 fire men walking proudly with their uniform on during games. Good old senior Witz gave these boys free admission as a bribe so he could shove as many patrons in the stadium.
- spanky

In those days, it was packed every night. It was the hottest ticket in town.

Were you ever there for a Bruins or Flyers game after a sunday afternoon Bears game?
- 6628

The Bruin Hawk games were wild. Do you recall when they showed the home games on closed circuit in theaters?

The simple solution is to move one of them now. Move em to get into the early portion of the draft next year where there is 3-4 franchise type players.

Giving in excess of 30% of your cap space to 2 guys who are less than a PPG players is ludicrous.

The will become the Penguins. Yay.
- Elbows15

I am actually shocked how many wins the pens get. They are always near the top of the standings. If they got a better performance from MAF they might be a real competitor for the conference title. Kunitz and dupuis as ur 1st line wingers? Really? Yet they are always competitive. Bit I agree about ur point with Toews and Kane. I don't like all that money in 2 players, either

Sure. Go tell your boss you want less because you want an ideal work environment or if you're on pension return it because the state is broke.

My goodness. You going to burn down the board when they sign and criticize them and gather the mob to storm trump tower?
- SteveRain

Less? Pretty sure they are going to get more than they make now.

Not a coincidence brisson wanted to wait post 7/1 to what the market brought.

Salaries have nothing to do with the lockout. These owners do it to themselves. Stupid money to non star players. Maybe they should lock out their gms?
- SteveRain

I'm fully aware that owners/GM's are their own worst enemies...they act the fool, then complain about revenue when the CBA is due for renegotiation.

Rinse & repeat...

Who knows what a mess the revenue situation will be in 7-8 years when both sides again sit down for another....chat.

I'd be fine with 10.8 per year for the Wonder Twins, I was expecting between $10.5-$11 mil per year for each of them.
- dan9189

No, you're not fine with $10.8 per. Assume the cap goes WAY up next year to $75m. Or assume it goes up a decent amount to $72.5m. Take out a pencil and paper. Start figuring out the rest of the 2015/2016 team and which players will have to be traded away to fit $21.6m for Toews/Kaner. When you're done figuring out the hawks 2015/2016 roster that is cap compliant, come back to the board and tell us if you're still "fine" with $10.8. $9.8 each is going to be brutal in terms of what it will do to the roster. $10.8 is ridiculous in terms of necessary cuts.

Some of it is the cap floor. The bottom feeders need to reach the floor so they have to spend a lot on average players. Like Tallon a few years ago spending a lot on guys like kopecky
- tomcat24

and even this year by giving Bolland that horrible contract.....

The simple solution is to move one of them now. Move em to get into the early portion of the draft next year where there is 3-4 franchise type players.

Giving in excess of 30% of your cap space to 2 guys who are less than a PPG players is ludicrous.

The will become the Penguins. Yay.
- Elbows15

okay trade kane and let me know how that goes. And then be prepared for the Bobby Hull comparisons. Or roenick or Belfour. Another star player dealt in their prime because the organization was too cheap.

I'd take kane and Toews at a combined 20 million cap hit then oduya at 5-6 million.

2 cup winning guys each won a selke and not even in their primes yet.

Was it Logan - and Adcock's homer (double) was the first hit?
- StLBravesFan

If I was in Stan's shoes, I would do the following if their asking price is over 9.5 million: Tell the boys and their agent lets talk
after this season is over. " We are unable to commit to your demands right now because of the low cap increase.. Let's wait until next years cap numbers come out" Say it with sincerity.