so much for the "supposed"blockbuster with the sens huh?
- tampabaydoompatrol

rumor was they were talking, not that it would definately happen.

IMO, the Hawks will clear more than just enough salary to get under the cap for injury call ups.

Then you were licking your chops at a piece of meat that is already on the plate of another diner, pure and simple.
- wiz1901


Wouldn't that more applicably describe any player on another team deemed untouchable?

I'm sure the Isles value him and would want fair trade but there's no way Frans Nielsen is untouchable.

In this case the diner might want to trade a few scraps of meat for a big a$$ baked potato.

Not sure what the last part means just running with the food theme.

I see the Hawks making a few maintenance moves- Oduya for draft picks- to get under the cap then figuring out Toews and Kane extensions followed by "See you at the convention"……. But that's just me.
- yahoodi

I agree, but it will be Rozsival dealt. Then Stan goes with 22 players and the cap issue is solved.

JJ,


The only real piece i can see there would be Stepan....possibly Hagelin...

Im sure they learned playing LA that they made a mistake letting Gaborik loose...

Maybe a Sharp and Leddy for Stepan and Hagelin deal....this would allow the Rangers to re-sign Brassard for the decent raise hes in line for....

doesnt really seem though that NY needs help on the blue line...

thoughts?
- ChicagoDave

Why do they have to be current NHLers? Could be prospects/picks

Why does it have to be the pizza man who goes presumably?what about that slug who makes 4 mill a year to play 28 games a year,while telling you that's his M O? We lose a top 4 D man like Oduya ,we'll be looking for 1 come the deadline. Does Q have the confidence in Leddyplus to slide up? What is Sharps Status,did his agent& Radio station friends kick,scream &cry him right out of the trade talks?

I see the Hawks making a few maintenance moves- Oduya for draft picks- to get under the cap then figuring out Toews and Kane extensions followed by "See you at the convention"……. But that's just me.
- yahoodi

Oduya for draft picks? bad move.

Versteeg, Bickell, yes... JO, No.

I still hope for a trade with the Isles if Sharp waives his NTC. Sharp, Leddy, mid-level prospect and a 2nd for Nielsen, Clutterbuck, Streit and a 6th.

Wouldn't that more applicably describe any player on another team deemed untouchable?

I'm sure the Isles value him and would want fair trade but there's no way Frans Nielsen is untouchable.

- HawkintheD

Ok.
I am only trying to look at every player on every team without being a hawk fan-boy, becasue surely i have a long list of players I really really like that I would love to see on the hawks, including Kesler for years.

Last season, Tavares goes down at the Olympics.
This leaves the Islanders in the unenviable position of now losing their best goal scoring centre (after they disrupted their scoring lines, trading Moulson for Vanek) and after it happened Nielsen scored 7 of his goals and 8 of his assists, and was a plus one.

Youngster centre Brock Nelson (drafted in the tarde Hawk draft slot in the exchange for Kevin hayes pick) was asked to step up and Nelson had 4 goals and 4 assists. Rookie Ryan Strome had six goals and eight assist.

Young vet Josh Bailey failed ot produce at centre and was basically used as a winger he had two goals and 17 assists. makes maybe far too much money to warrant him sticking around and centre is no longer in his future.
Casey Cizikas is viewed as a low end checker at centre and had one goal and one assist after the Tavares injury

Note: all the stats above are post Tavares injury.

Free Agency

Islander add centre Mikhail Grabovski, who is what he is a off the side close to the net tip in tap scorer who they envision as a 2nd line centre - scorer/PP guy.
They add Nikolai Kulemin who no matter waht anyone is a LW period.
They add 5' 8" Cory Conacher who may be listed as a centre but for all intents and purposes lines up at RW for those four big goals he scored in Ottawa this year.

They way I see their free agency they added a centre and now have the option of letting one of their two youngsters Brock Nelson and Ryan Strome playe LW and RW respectively while they learn, abd are NOT tading them.

You look up and down that Islander lineup and you a need for both a young puck carrying defenseman and a big time NHL scorer, if they want to attempt to get better now.

After looking at the post Tavares loss numbers I don't see Nielsen as way out.
He is generously six foot, and does his best as 200 foot gamer but he did come and he did fill on top line with Thomas Vanek and Kyle Okposo on his wings...

You think he is available?
That getting Mikhail Grabovski makes him expendable so Nelson and Strome continue to on the job train and they don't keep his offense around to make sure they are solid at the position?

So there is the rub...

If the Islanders think Leddy is an answer, you think he NOW suddenly leapfrogs Richards and Kruger is our 4th line centre and that solves the Kings????

If you think Sharp is gonna get Brooklyn to the playoffs, you think Nielsen fills a need right now, because after two more seasons imagine what he commands on a market (he makes 275,000 now) where David Legwand a 3rd liner got three million a year.
So what is Nielsen a two year fill and the cost a REAL NHL scorer?

It's not like I came to my opinion through my arse, or just came online to down you guys, but things have to make sense to me, and I think this is past happening after the signed Richards at a bargain rate.


and sure, the Rangers would love a Leddy typr carrier, but there is absolutely nothing on that roster cap wise that fits the Hawks .
you can conjure a RFA Brassard comig to hawks but he made 3.2 million already.

If they are talking ...it is thank you to Slats for buying out Richards. And no one put Dominic Moore on a pedestal either.

Ottawa is very deep at center.

Turris
Zibanejad
Legwand
Smith
Lazar
Hoffman
Pageau

Some can be moved to wing (likely Lazar and Hoffman). But, it seems to me Smith at $1.9m. is the best solution for the Hawks. He is a rugged player, loved by Paul MacLean because he plays exactly the way the coach wants him to play, never misses a chance to play the body, nice hands.
- spatso

So deep those guys couldn't win them enough games to go to the playoffs.

No

I still hope for a trade with the Isles if Sharp waives his NTC. Sharp, Leddy, mid-level prospect and a 2nd for Nielsen, Clutterbuck, Streit and a 6th.
- blackhawk24

Cal Clutterbuck is horrendous.

No. Rangers have more than enough wingers and D. They need a center, this trade does not help them in slightest.
- GOODPLAYA20

Really don't see a deal between the teams unless it prospects and picks. Really don't think either team has what the other covets. IMO.

I see the Hawks making a few maintenance moves- Oduya for draft picks- to get under the cap then figuring out Toews and Kane extensions followed by "See you at the convention"……. But that's just me.
- yahoodi

It could be? Stan still has to get under the cap somehow. Flipping Oduya for for picks and/or prospects gives the Hawks enough cap room to carry 23 with about $800,000 in cap space.

Then again, the Hawks do not have a legitimate enforcer and Brookbank is still out there. Could Stan be looking at moving Rozsival to make room for Brookbank?

Cal Clutterbuck is horrendous.
- AceRatbang

He'd be a solid bottom six add....over his career he's good for about 10-15 goals and that many assists to....better that our bottom six now.

He'd be a solid bottom six add....over his career he's good for about 10-15 goals and that many assists to....better that our bottom six now.
- southernhawk

Clutterbuck can hit. I wouldn't mind having him on the third line.

Ok.
I am only trying to look at every player on every team without being a hawk fan-boy, becasue surely i have a long list of players I really really like that I would love to see on the hawks, including Kesler for years.

Last season, Tavares goes down at the Olympics.
This leaves the Islanders in the unenviable position of now losing their best goal scoring centre (after they disrupted their scoring lines, trading Moulson for Vanek) and after it happened Nielsen scored 7 of his goals and 8 of his assists, and was a plus one.

Youngster centre Brock Nelson (drafted in the tarde Hawk draft slot in the exchange for Kevin hayes pick) was asked to step up and Nelson had 4 goals and 4 assists. Rookie Ryan Strome had six goals and eight assist.

Young vet Josh Bailey failed ot produce at centre and was basically used as a winger he had two goals and 17 assists. makes maybe far too much money to warrant him sticking around and centre is no longer in his future.
Casey Cizikas is viewed as a low end checker at centre and had one goal and one assist after the Tavares injury

Note: all the stats above are post Tavares injury.

Free Agency

Islander add centre Mikhail Grabovski, who is what he is a off the side close to the net tip in tap scorer who they envision as a 2nd line centre - scorer/PP guy.
They add Nikolai Kulemin who no matter waht anyone is a LW period.
They add 5' 8" Cory Conacher who may be listed as a centre but for all intents and purposes lines up at RW for those four big goals he scored in Ottawa this year.

They way I see their free agency they added a centre and now have the option of letting one of their two youngsters Brock Nelson and Ryan Strome playe LW and RW respectively while they learn, abd are NOT tading them.

You look up and down that Islander lineup and you a need for both a young puck carrying defenseman and a big time NHL scorer, if they want to attempt to get better now.

After looking at the post Tavares loss numbers I don't see Nielsen as way out.
He is generously six foot, and does his best as 200 foot gamer but he did come and he did fill on top line with Thomas Vanek and Kyle Okposo on his wings...

You think he is available?
That getting Mikhail Grabovski makes him expendable so Nelson and Strome continue to on the job train and they don't keep his offense around to make sure they are solid at the position?

So there is the rub...

If the Islanders think Leddy is an answer, you think he NOW suddenly leapfrogs Richards and Kruger is our 4th line centre and that solves the Kings????

If you think Sharp is gonna get Brooklyn to the playoffs, you think Nielsen fills a need right now, because after two more seasons imagine what he commands on a market (he makes 275,000 now) where David Legwand a 3rd liner got three million a year.
So what is Nielsen a two year fill and the cost a REAL NHL scorer?

It's not like I came to my opinion through my arse, or just came online to down you guys, but things have to make sense to me, and I think this is past happening after the signed Richards at a bargain rate.


and sure, the Rangers would love a Leddy typr carrier, but there is absolutely nothing on that roster cap wise that fits the Hawks .
you can conjure a RFA Brassard comig to hawks but he made 3.2 million already.

If they are talking ...it is thank you to Slats for buying out Richards. And no one put Dominic Moore on a pedestal either.
- wiz1901

Nielsen is a centre with 2 yr cost certainty at less than half the cap hit of Sharp. 'Hawks have wingers, they need centres. SB can work on younger centres in the system and in the draft the next two yrs. Nielsen fits now and frees up $3M cap space.

Quit getting hung up on a 23 man roster. Bowman moving Oduya is a clear sign this team will NOT be serious contenders this season.
Moving Leddy for whatever you can get for him and a 22 man roster leaves the Hawks under the cap.

The Hawks have enough waiver exempt players in Rockford for it not to be an issue should anyone need to be called up.

Because, who really cares if the lose guys like Cumiskey, Rundblad or Regin to waivers? Those guys are just flotsam anyway. Losing them won't cripple the organization.

Quit getting hung up on a 23 man roster. Bowman moving Oduya is a clear sign this team will NOT be serious contenders this season.
Moving Leddy for whatever you can get for him and a 22 man roster leaves the Hawks under the cap.

The Hawks have enough waiver exempt players in Rockford for it not to be an issue should anyone need to be called up.

Because, who really cares if the lose guys like Cumiskey, Rundblad or Regin to waivers? Those guys are just flotsam anyway. Losing them won't cripple the organization.
- Elbows15

Who says the Hawks can't have a 23 man roster and not move Oduya at the same time?

Who says the Hawks can't have a 23 man roster and not move Oduya at the same time?
- EKolb13

Who thinks they can move Oduya and be contenders? Who gives a poop about a 23 man roster. Big deal. 3 guys who can't play regularly? Young guys are better served playing. The rest? Just filler. Blocking young players from gaining experience.


The answer is Leddy playing top 4 minutes. No matter what the figure skating fans think, he can't handle it.

Who thinks they can move Oduya and be contenders? Who gives a poop about a 23 man roster. Big deal. 3 guys who can't play regularly? Young guys are better served playing. The rest? Just filler. Blocking young players from gaining experience.


The answer is Leddy playing top 4 minutes. No matter what the figure skating fans think, he can't handle it.
- Elbows15

Personally, I'd like to see Oduya stay, Brookbank brought back, and Leddy and Rozsival leave. That's just my view on things.

Clutterbuck can hit. I wouldn't mind having him on the third line.
- EKolb13

This...cal and shaw on the wings...or bicks....

Personally, I'd like to see Oduya stay, Brookbank brought back, and Leddy and Rozsival leave. That's just my view on things.
- EKolb13

Where do you move those guys? That is the $4.9M question.

Just don't see anyone on the rangers roster that would fit cap wise and need. Don't need another winger and there's no center to be had.

Where do you move those guys? That is the $4.9M question.
- blackhawk24

Sharp is the 5.9 million answer...

Where do you move those guys? That is the $4.9M question.
- blackhawk24

Indeed.

I don't know who or where would be interested. However, Bowman has to move somebody to get under the cap. That's obvious.

Personally, I'd like to see Oduya stay, Brookbank brought back, and Leddy and Rozsival leave. That's just my view on things.
- EKolb13

No one is going to trade for Rozsival and I am fine with that. He gets trashed unfairly on this board. The difference in salary between Oduya and Leaddope is 600 K. And its my feeling ODuya will sign a contract for around what he makes now. Something like 3-4 years @3.5 to 3.75 a years. And Oduya will still be an effective player for that contract. And better than Leddy. And the cost will be about the same.

You go with the better player. Always.