Really? 3M for a guy who put up 51 points last year ain't bad.
- Feeling Glucky?

He'll get top 6 minute in Ottawa (and he started off with top 6 minutes on Detroit ending up on the 4th line by the end of the year). He wouldn't get near 50 points playing on our bottom 6.

It's not a bad pickup, but Bodie, Santorelli, Kontiola > Legwand.

Does it seem strange to anyone else that Grabo's cap hit is only 500 K less than what Tavares makes , and in 2017-2018 their salaries are exactly the same 6 million . I find this mind boggling.
- Adam_The_Golf

Not really. He's a product of UFA madness. Tavares has never had that opportunity.

i totally hear ya but some athletes are lazy. I played with a guy in junior who was by far our best player. Coach used to get on him about working out. He'd always respond:

"i've never seen a barbell score a goal coach".

Gardiner strikes me as this; super talented but not motivated. I like his game but it's all talent whereas Reilly puts in the effort on and off the ice you can tell.
- clark_griswold

he could probably get away with being wimpy...but once he gets the puck when back retrieving he seems to stop skating for a few seconds and by then he has lost the puck etc. I'm hoping he plays great this year...I don't expect it...I don't think his D game is great but we can't all agree on every player lol ANY PLAYER

i bet he gets $4 mil minimum. His offensive numbers would justify that alone based on some of the looney tunes deals other d have signed
- clark_griswold

Arbitration is still a mystery to me. If the Leafs can walk on any number over 3.5 then maybe he doesn't even listen to their offers ...waits for the arbitrator and hopes the Leafs walk away making him an UFA right away. Good result for him.

how weak are you if you can't do 1 (frank)ing chin up?

I wouldn't believe it unless I seen it.
- Garnie

My wife has a gymnastic gym. She has 4 yr olds that pump off 10 reverse grip like nothing. The boys do 100 push ups as part of a warm up.

93-17-13
- The Law

93 gp
17 g
13 a

7 preseason
82 regular
4 playoffs

Just my guess but I think he gets about 3. His priority is a 1 yr deal so he can "finally" get to UFA.

And I thought the rule was that they can walk away from any award Over 3.5 milly? If it's less than 3.5 they are stuck, no?
- The Law

That is what I meant, sorry, He will get just under 3.5 and the Leafs cannot walk away. My bad for the confusion.

Qualifying offers.
- LeafMan

Okay that means 5 million after all those guys signed then....

he could probably get away with being wimpy...but once he gets the puck when back retrieving he seems to stop skating for a few seconds and by then he has lost the puck etc. I'm hoping he plays great this year...I don't expect it...I don't think his D game as great but we can't all agree on every player lol ANY PLAYER
- Garnie

He has all the talent in the world and takes much longer for D to develop. Having said that, i'd trade him with Reimer for a stud young stay at home D. Gardiner in the right situation is a game changer (i mean right situation as in Boston, Stl, etc. Great team that he can take chances on)

My wife has a gymnastic gym. She has 4 yr olds that pump off 10 reverse grip like nothing. The boys do 100 push ups as part of a warm up.
- bixll

a lot depends on weight to I guess...if the guy has monster legs and not the biggest pipes it would be a bit tougher...but 1...come on.

He is counting qualifying offers I think..
- LeafMan

where do you find those?

Arbitration is still a mystery to me. If the Leafs can walk on any number over 3.5 then maybe he doesn't even listen to their offers ...waits for the arbitrator and hopes the Leafs walk away making him an UFA right away. Good result for him.
- The Law

Walk-Away Rights

If a player elects arbitration, the club may actually choose to walk away from the award and make the player an unrestricted free agent under certain circumstances. For one, the arbitration award has to be $3.5M per year or more.

its about winning though not worrying about clarkson being paid more.
- jake24242

tell that to Bolland , and Stastny and all the other countless UFA`s who went where the money was, there is very few left who put winning above the all might dollar

Does it seem strange to anyone else that Grabo's cap hit is only 500 K less than what Tavares makes , and in 2017-2018 their salaries are exactly the same 6 million . I find this mind boggling.
- Adam_The_Golf

People too often miss the massive discrepancy between UFA's and RFA's. Not to mention you have to consider when they signed.

i bet he gets $4 mil minimum. His offensive numbers would justify that alone based on some of the looney tunes deals other d have signed
- clark_griswold

The Arbitrators rarely make decisions based on those types of contracts. Like, they aren't going to give him Voynov money based on his numbers this year.

In all likelihood, I can seem him getting 2.8-3.2 maximum. I don't think it's worth it.

With Carlyle being the coach this year, it could be another disaster waiting to happen. Which is a mixed blessing. If the Leafs fail again, they choose another high pick in a strong first round. And it seems with Nylander, Kadri, Gardiner, Rielly, Bernier and JVR making up a really young core with older talents in Kessel, Phaneuf, and Bozak signed long term, adding an Eichel (Hypothetically) makes a great young team coming up. Carlyle gets fired, new coach comes in and the team is primed to be a new contender.

If the Leafs succeed, I have a hard time seeing it lasting longer than a couple years before it falls apart again. Brass needs a wake up call on the value of coaching, advanced statistics and such. Good starts in signing Komorov, Konitola and Sante. Slowly but surely, I guess

where do you find those?
- Dozzer

its what they made last year on their current contracts I believe.

that is what it takes to qualify them.

He has all the talent in the world and takes much longer for D to develop. Having said that, i'd trade him with Reimer for a stud young stay at home D. Gardiner in the right situation is a game changer (i mean right situation as in Boston, Stl, etc. Great team that he can take chances on)
- clark_griswold

meh, I could take or leave him.

hoping he changes my mind this year

where do you find those?
- Dozzer

I'm looking for them.

As much as we hate Franson, his award will be 3.5 plus which the Leafs cannot walk away from, no way in hell he gets 2.450, that is not the going rate for defenceman with his stats.

The Leafs cannot take the gamble of him getting to arbitration.
- LeafMan

he lead leafs d-men in scoring

that will be enough for him to get at least half of captain caveman's contract

a lot depends on weight to I guess...if the guy has monster legs and not the biggest pipes it would be a bit tougher...but 1...come on.
- Garnie

It just shows how little he was hitting the weight room. The kids have to, if they want to be able to compete without getting hurt at this level. Look at RNH shoulder issues.

Okay that means 5 million after all those guys signed then....
- jribout

Somewhere between 4 and 5: enough for some bonus cushion and a trade/signing.

He has all the talent in the world and takes much longer for D to develop. Having said that, i'd trade him with Reimer for a stud young stay at home D. Gardiner in the right situation is a game changer (i mean right situation as in Boston, Stl, etc. Great team that he can take chances on)
- clark_griswold

Travis Hamonic is your best target.

where do you find those?
- Dozzer

Capgeek has them, because they have the formula for what is required.

There's wonky rules for guys below $1m the year before, but for above that, it's easy. QO must be 100% previous year salary (not cap hit).

That is what I meant, sorry, He will get just under 3.5 and the Leafs cannot walk away. My bad for the confusion.
- LeafMan

I think that's the real risk. If they don't like him at 3ish then they need to move him soon. Clearly they were trying.

3. Continue to attempt to sign Kevin Hayes: The Blackhawks have until Aug. 15 to sign Hayes, their 2010 first-round pick. He's been eligible to sign since his college season ended in April. At this point, it's unlikely he'll sign. He wants to have the opportunity to play in the NHL immediately, and that's not possible with the Blackhawks now. They're too deep in the NHL, and there are a few AHL players who they could argue deserve more of an NHL chance than Hayes right now. If the Blackhawks don't sign him or trade his rights, they will get a compensatory second-round pick in the 2015 draft. Many believe Hayes will eventually sign with the Calgary Flames and join his former Boston College teammates Johnny Gaudreau and Bill Arnold.

Interesting tidbit from ESPN(so, taken with a grain of salt)... Younger brother of former Leafs draft pick Jimmy Hayes(taken the same year we traded Jimmy for Brad Ross)... Leafs are getting kinda full in the forward ranks, but I think if Orr is buried, and Bodie is the 13th forward, we could offer him a somewhat guaranteed spot.