Well that is what I am saying. But now instead of having him as a cheap back-up option who puts up decent numbers moving forward, he is telling them to go (frank) themselves.
- markmark

He decided that he didn't want to "fight" with Bernier and prove he should be the number 1.

That's weak, imho.

If you average out Santorelli's numbers over a full season they are about the same as Raymond, so it is in theory a wash there.
- LeafMan

The Santorelli signing seems to be under the radar. I confess I didn't watch any Canucks games last year, but at least on paper, the dude looks like he can help the team.

Bizarre how he only gets $1.5 milly for a year, and Komarov gets a boatload of cash.

But whatever.

He was the clear #2. How was he thrown under the bus?

Much was made about the comment after a game when Carlyle was asked how Reimer played and he said OK, just OK. That's not throwing him under the bus. Reimer had a lot of opportunities to take over the #1 job but failed to do so. When Bernier went down to injury it was all Reimer. Um, how did he do?
- sparky

the guy sat for a while then pressed into action. i'd say he was rusty and lost his mojo.
he's got to play more than every 10 games ish.

see the following post.


I don't think Reimer's numbers were sustainable that year.

One of the many reasons the Leafs made the playoffs in that shortened season. Not many goalies have a SV% of over .900 in PK situations.
- Pecafan Fan

But again, this is only part of the story, the other part unfortunately isn't tracked, and it's shot quality.

If the skaters on the PK are doing a good job, that makes the goalie's job easier, which means a higher save%

Either way, if they start off well but falter, RC's gone. I figure this year it's make the playoffs or get fired for RC.
- Zezel

If I had a million bucks to throw away, I'd order a million bucks worth of toasters and have them dump trucked into his house.

The Santorelli signing seems to be under the radar. I confess I didn't watch any Canucks games last year, but at least on paper, the dude looks like he can help the team.

Bizarre how he only gets $1.5 milly for a year, and Komarov gets a boatload of cash.

But whatever.
- Atomic Wedgie

Boatloads and a best friend.

The Santorelli signing seems to be under the radar. I confess I didn't watch any Canucks games last year, but at least on paper, the dude looks like he can help the team.

Bizarre how he only gets $1.5 milly for a year, and Komarov gets a boatload of cash.

But whatever.
- Atomic Wedgie

Because he's Leo Clarkov

The Santorelli signing seems to be under the radar. I confess I didn't watch any Canucks games last year, but at least on paper, the dude looks like he can help the team.

Bizarre how he only gets $1.5 milly for a year, and Komarov gets a boatload of cash.

But whatever.
- Atomic Wedgie

was thinking the same thing.

If by game 20 next season, the Leafs don't show signs of improvement, Carlyle will be gone.
- Pecafan Fan

nah.

after 3 games or so
like the flyers did last year with laviolette

But again, this is only part of the story, the other part unfortunately isn't tracked, and it's shot quality.

If the skaters on the PK are doing a good job, that makes the goalie's job easier, which means a higher save%
- Feeling Glucky?

Why bother keeping goalie stats then?
Let's throw it all down the drain and use opinions instead of the data we have at hand.


It's much more convenient anyway.

He was the clear #2. How was he thrown under the bus?

Much was made about the comment after a game when Carlyle was asked how Reimer played and he said OK, just OK. That's not throwing him under the bus. Reimer had a lot of opportunities to take over the #1 job but failed to do so. When Bernier went down to injury it was all Reimer. Um, how did he do?
- sparky

He only had an opportunity once Bernier went down...at that point the rest of the team was bagged and had 0 compete left.

Early in the season Bernier was given a much longer rope to work with and get into a grove. Reimer never got that.

The previous season is the only time they gave Reimer that rope, and guess what, he got them to game 7 of round 1...

They completely mishandled Reimer. They could have just made him the clear #2 but instead they decided to just throw him under the big stupid bus that is Leafs Nation.
- markmark

I like Reimer, I think he works hard but he struggled at the end of the year there. If you remember the game when Bernier was pulled or hurt than Reimer went in then took a skate to his head and was down for quite a bit, I'm pretty sure he was concussed right there as his play suffered immediately after that, but he shook it off instead of going to get tested. he suffers from concussions to easily which affects his play.

the guy sat for a while then pressed into action. i'd say he was rusty and lost his mojo.
he's got to play more than every 10 games ish.
- zazzle

When your a backup you don't play that often. It didn't help that he seemed to allow one soft goal a game. The guy handles the puck like a hot potato, bad rebounds etc. It seemed even the guys in front of him didn't have as much confedance as they did for Bernier

He was the clear #2. How was he thrown under the bus?

Much was made about the comment after a game when Carlyle was asked how Reimer played and he said OK, just OK. That's not throwing him under the bus. Reimer had a lot of opportunities to take over the #1 job but failed to do so. When Bernier went down to injury it was all Reimer. Um, how did he do?
- sparky

I'm not talking about taking over the number 1. If a team loses their starter and the back-up has to come in to play a string of games where the team does poorly, the general consensus isn't usually "damn it [backup] is terrible we need to get rid of him. This is all his fault." Let's not forget that pretty much the ENTIRE team was terrible in that stretch. Reimer COULD have taken that opportunity and shone but he didn't, thats true. That doesn't mean he isn't an NHL capable goalie who the Leafs needed to jettison right away. Scapegoating an individual is just the modus operandi of Leaf Land.

When your a backup you don't play that often. It didn't help that he seemed to allow one soft goal a game. The guy handles the puck like a hot potato, bad rebounds etc. It seemed even the guys in front of him didn't have as much confedance as they did for Bernier
- sparky

Bernier had a some pretty soft goals every game too. my favourite being the one that bounced off the boards and slipped past him with no one around.

When your a backup you don't play that often. It didn't help that he seemed to allow one soft goal a game. The guy handles the puck like a hot potato, bad rebounds etc. It seemed even the guys in front of him didn't have as much confedance as they did for Bernier
- sparky

Anyone else read this with a French/computer voice.

see the following post.


I don't think Reimer's numbers were sustainable that year.

One of the many reasons the Leafs made the playoffs in that shortened season. Not many goalies have a SV% of over .900 in PK situations.
- Pecafan Fan

I agree. Reimer can and has played inspired hockey for periods of time (thank you Allah) but I and Leafs brass don't think it is sustainable. He tends to play behind the play, often making great recoveries. Bernier seems to be ahead or at least correctly reading where the play is going. He is also technically more sound.

I have no problems keeping Reimer if a decent trade is not available.

he would of never been satisfied as the back after being the starter here

would you?
- Dozzer

I probably wouldn't. He has asked for a trade and Nonis is trying to oblige. It seems that other teams in search for a goalie are looking elsewhere. It seems others are not sure Reimer is a #1 either.

2nd or third all year long baby. We'll be seeing the Habs first round
- Bigzby

I want to BeLeaf

I agree. Reimer can and has played inspired hockey for periods of time (thank you Allah) but I and Leafs brass don't think it is sustainable. He tends to play behind the play, often making great recoveries. Bernier seems to be ahead or at least correctly reading where the play is going. He is also technically more sound.

I have no problems keeping Reimer if a decent trade is not available.
- Canada Cup

For that to happen, he'll have to accept his situation. Otherwise, he won't be of any help to the leafs.

Anyone else read this with a French/computer voice.
- Bigzby

Peter Sellers in the Party - goalie num nums

I'm not talking about taking over the number 1. If a team loses their starter and the back-up has to come in to play a string of games where the team does poorly, the general consensus isn't usually "damn it
- markmark[backup] is terrible we need to get rid of him. This is all his fault." Let's not forget that pretty much the ENTIRE team was terrible in that stretch. Reimer COULD have taken that opportunity and shone but he didn't, thats true. That doesn't mean he isn't an NHL capable goalie who the Leafs needed to jettison right away. Scapegoating an individual is just the modus operandi of Leaf Land.

For the first time I agree with everything you just said

When your a backup you don't play that often. It didn't help that he seemed to allow one soft goal a game. The guy handles the puck like a hot potato, bad rebounds etc. It seemed even the guys in front of him didn't have as much confidence as they did for Bernier
- sparky

true about the backup role.
agree that Bernier does handle to puck better but he was never a #1 goalie in the nhl Reimer was.
Reimer play at the beginning of the year was good no?

he would of never been satisfied as the back after being the starter here

would you?
- Dozzer

Of course not. I just don't think Reimer want's out because he thinks he can go be a #1. I think he want's out because of Carlyle. That sucks considering what I said previously, we could have a back-up for cheap that puts up decent numbers but wants out because of the management team.

He was the clear #2. How was he thrown under the bus?

Much was made about the comment after a game when Carlyle was asked how Reimer played and he said OK, just OK. That's not throwing him under the bus. Reimer had a lot of opportunities to take over the #1 job but failed to do so. When Bernier went down to injury it was all Reimer. Um, how did he do?
- sparky

about as well as Bernier did after the olympic break