Giroux is one of our 7 20 goal scorers. We'd be down to 6
- JAKEw1234

No kidding. I've already mentioned these exact words. I'm just glad you're aware of this.

No kidding. I've already mentioned these exact words. I'm just glad you're aware of this.
- SuperSchennBros

One of our six 20 goal scoreres. Giroux is one of the six 20 goal scorers. If he gets hurt, we're down to five. If Lecavalier is traded, with the Giroux injury, we're down to four.

"Exact" words?

#math

If Chicago loses Kane or Toews or both, they still have Hossa and Sharp. The Hawks can afford to lose players to injury, even a top 5-10 point producer like Patrick Kane. Same with the Kings with Kopitar, Carter, Gaborik, Brown and Williams. Sharks - Thornton, Marleau, Pavelski and Couture. Boston had Bergeron, Krejci, Lucic, Erickson, Marchand and Iginla. Even to a smaller extent the Ducks can trust Perry to carry the load without Getzlaf. Malkin is a number one center without Crosby.

We can rationalize this in anyway it takes to cope but injuries happen and this team is too dependent on Giroux. You're right though, Giroux did end the season with the third most points in the league, even with a slow start might I add. How does 100 plus points sound to you with a legit winger? How does leading the league and proving this guy is the best in the league with legitimate support sound to you? How does feeling perfectly safe and comfortable that we'll make the playoffs even if Giroux does get hurt sound to you?
- SuperSchennBros

And this team has Giroux, Simmonds, Jake, Schenn, Read, Coots...

G obviously is a huge part of the offense here, but like Hawk said, the other guys aren't chopped liver...

Besides, getting this winger is going to take one of those players up there ^^^^ along with high draft picks. After trading that sort of package, aren't we just back to where we started from if Giroux gets hurt?

"Exact" words?

#math
- mochoson

Scott Hartnell was traded, so yes we're down to 6 now. I'd say my math is pretty good. You might want to try other posts and even if you refuse, what's your point?

And this team has Giroux, Simmonds, Jake, Schenn, Read, Coots...

G obviously is a huge part of the offense here, but like Hawk said, the other guys aren't chopped liver...

Besides, getting this winger is going to take one of those players up there ^^^^ along with high draft picks. After trading that sort of package, aren't we just back to where we started from if Giroux gets hurt?
- Giroux_Is_God

It shames me to tell you, our group isn't nearly as mature as the names I've mentioned. Couturier for example is still developing his offense.

Scott Hartnell was traded, so yes we're down to 6 now. I'd say my math is pretty good. You might want to try other posts and even if you refuse, what's your point?
- SuperSchennBros

Umberger had 18, so he's pretty close. Goals aren't my concern with this team, though

It shames me to tell you, our group isn't nearly as mature as the names I've mentioned. Couturier for example is still developing his offense.
- SuperSchennBros

Which is why they should be patient and allow them to get big ice time and develop. Two more years this team could be really good if hextall plays his cards right

We can rationalize this in anyway it takes to cope but injuries happen and this team is too dependent on Giroux. You're right though, Giroux did end the season with the third most points in the league, even with a slow start might I add. How does 100 plus points sound to you with a legit winger? How does leading the league and proving this guy is the best in the league with legitimate support sound to you? How does feeling perfectly safe and comfortable that we'll make the playoffs even if Giroux does get hurt sound to you?
- SuperSchennBros

1) Who says this team is too dependent on Giroux? I watched plenty of games this year where Giroux played like absolute poop and we won because were not a bad team? What in god's name are you saying?

2) How does a 100 plus points for Giroux sound? How about I don't care as long as we make the playoffs? We had SEVEN TWENTY GOAL SCORERS last year. Our issues have nothing to do with scoring goals.

3) How does making the playoffs even if Giroux is hurt sound? Idk, let's ask the Lighting seeing as how they did it without Stamkos? Dont recall them adding some big flashy winger. From what I recall, they won games with their depth and good coaching.

You're entire point makes absolutely no sense. If we were to go out and get a "winger for Giroux" (which is the LAST THING we should be doing), were sacrificing depth throughout the rest of our forwards.

You don't want to be dependent on Giroux? Then why would you trade 2, maybe 3 guys just to add ONE winger for Giroux. Then what if Giroux get's hurt? We're nowhere near as deep, and stuck praying that some new shiny toy scoring winger will, along with Jake(?) and whatever good players we actually have left, carry the load offensively.

Ask Ottawa how building an entire offense around a stacked 1st line of Heatley/Alfredsson/Spezza worked out.

Here's the problem: Even when using the Capgeek figures, the Flyers have no ELC players with whom they can help get beneath the cap ceiling (Laughton is not listed on the NHL roster in the Capgeek calculations) by assigning to the AHL and immediately recall when they put Pronger on LTIR.

The Flyers could waive certain vets for a bit of cap relief but that would only be $925K of cap relief per waiver -- and there is also the risk that the player gets claimed by another team.

In other words, the Flyers need to trade at least $3.06M of salary even when you figure Pronger's LTIR into the equation. Taking on Umberger's salary for three years at barely less than Hartnell's cap hit for five years really wasn't much of a good "cap" move.
- bmeltzer

They don't need to do that Bill. They also have the option of putting Pronger on LTIR at the end of training camp, as long as they are as close to 4.9M over the Upper limit as possible, and with a player such as Straka, who is waiver exempt, so they can then demote him, to create space for injuries during the season. That will essentially raise the Flyers Upper Limit to the neighborhood of about 73.9M

It shames me to tell you, our group isn't nearly as mature as the names I've mentioned. Couturier for example is still developing his offense.
- SuperSchennBros

I understand this.

That being said, some of those guys you listed are stretches. Is Brad Marchand and really that more offensively skilled than the guys I mentioned?

This team is going to score their gos, Giroux or not. Schenn and Coots are going to be relied on a little more- looks like Coots is going to have some skilled wingers around him...these guys are going to get better. I'm completely comfortable with the offense as it stands right now

Yeah, BSH put out a nice piece on that yesterday:
http://www.broadstreethoc...s-salary-cap-pronger-ltir

Ideally they'd want to enter the season under option 1... I think option 2 could get them in more trouble down the road.
- Tomahawk

Neither option can get them into any trouble down the road. Done right, they both get the team to the same place.

I understand this.

That being said, some of those guys you listed are stretches. Is Brad Marchand and really that more offensively skilled than the guys I mentioned?

This team is going to score their gos, Giroux or not. Schenn and Coots are going to be relied on a little more- looks like Coots is going to have some skilled wingers around him...these guys are going to get better. I'm completely comfortable with the offense as it stands right now


- Giroux_Is_God

I think Brad Marchant is a tremendous young offensive talent. He missed three games during the shorten season where he had 18 goals. If not for that season he would be a consistent 20 goal scorer since entering the league. He's still young and will absolutely continue to get better.

Scott Hartnell was traded, so yes we're down to 6 now. I'd say my math is pretty good. You might want to try other posts and even if you refuse, what's your point?
- SuperSchennBros

Umberger can be counted on for 20 goals

I think Brad Marchant is a tremendous young offensive talent. He missed three games during the shorten season where he had 18 goals. If not for that season he would be a consistent 20 goal scorer since entering the league. He's still young and will absolutely continue to get better.
- SuperSchennBros

Huh. Sounds like Brayden Schenn.

Why are we writing off Schenn as a huge question mark but Marchand is being praised?

And is 26 REALLY that young?

Scott Hartnell was traded, so yes we're down to 6 now. I'd say my math is pretty good. You might want to try other posts and even if you refuse, what's your point?
- SuperSchennBros

I was merely pointing out you didn't use those EXACT words. I'm very well aware we replaced Hartnell with Umberger.

But if you want to be technical, we still (probably) have seven 20 goal scorers for next season, assuming everyone is healthy. I have no doubt Umberger can score 20 on this team.

And, for arguments sake and since your a math whiz, I'll let you prove me right.

Hartnell: 953 games, 250 goals
Umberger: 673, 169 goals

(hint: they score at the same rate for their career)

Umberger can be counted on for 20 goals
- JAKEw1234

shhhhh, let him math

Neither option can get them into any trouble down the road. Done right, they both get the team to the same place.
- MJL

Thank you, When I sat down to look at the new CBA, that was the conclusion I came to as well. With everyone freaking out, I thought, "Maybe I was reading it Wrong?" But yeah, this jives with my understanding of the legaleeze as well.

I'd have to agree. Either him or Mueller, wouldn't touch Heatley with a hundred foot pole.

Seto is the better skater of the two and isn't a terrible defensive player. Mueller is also a pretty polished player and probably the more talented scorer, but not the better skater.

I do really like the idea of Mueller playing with Jake and Giroux, though. Especially on the off wing with his shot. Mueller would without question have one of the best shots on our team if he came here. I actually can't think of anyone on our roster other than Giroux that could touch him in that regard.
- mochoson

I think Mueller is the biggest risk/reward due to age and serious concussion concerns. Heatly would be the next biggest risk with a moderate return. And Setoguchi I think is the lowest risk with a moderate return. I have no idea which they should choose but I hope they get one. I'm leaning towards Mueller because I like to route for an underdog.

They don't need to do that Bill. They also have the option of putting Pronger on LTIR at the end of training camp, as long as they are as close to 4.9M as possible, and with a player such as Straka, who is waiver exempt, so they can then demote him, to create space for injuries during the season. That will essentially raise the Flyers Upper Limit to the neighborhood of about 73.9M
- MJL

This

Everyone, please rest your Sphincters, Hexy ain't over the cap... well he is but everything is fine, our team will be legal as is. and we have maybe 1.8 mil to play with...

Umberger can be counted on for 20 goals
- JAKEw1234

I'm not sold on that due to injury concerns but I sure hope so!

Thank you, When I sat down to look at the new CBA, that was the conclusion I came to as well. With everyone freaking out, I thought, "Maybe I was reading it Wrong?" But yeah, this jives with my understanding of the legaleeze as well.
- flyler

It's apparently another day of cap panic in Flyers land. The Flyers cap picture is fine, and it's fine going forward. Please remain calm!

Another thing I'm reading is Hextall's new mantra of building through he draft. That direction for this team has been in place for about 4 years now, since 2010 under Holmgren. This is nothing new.

1) Who says this team is too dependent on Giroux? I watched plenty of games this year where Giroux played like absolute poop and we won because were not a bad team? What in god's name are you saying?

2) How does a 100 plus points for Giroux sound? How about I don't care as long as we make the playoffs? We had SEVEN TWENTY GOAL SCORERS last year. Our issues have nothing to do with scoring goals.

3) How does making the playoffs even if Giroux is hurt sound? Idk, let's ask the Lighting seeing as how they did it without Stamkos? Dont recall them adding some big flashy winger. From what I recall, they won games with their depth and good coaching.

You're entire point makes absolutely no sense. If we were to go out and get a "winger for Giroux" (which is the LAST THING we should be doing), were sacrificing depth throughout the rest of our forwards.

You don't want to be dependent on Giroux? Then why would you trade 2, maybe 3 guys just to add ONE winger for Giroux. Then what if Giroux get's hurt? We're nowhere near as deep, and stuck praying that some new shiny toy scoring winger will, along with Jake(?) and whatever good players we actually have left, carry the load offensively.

Ask Ottawa how building an entire offense around a stacked 1st line of Heatley/Alfredsson/Spezza worked out.
- mochoson

1) This team is too heavily dependent on Giroux's production to win. Our hopes of making the playoffs are all placed on Claude Giroux. All eggs, one basket.

2) You don't care if Giroux puts up 100 plus points? I think you're a lair. Giroux's point production this season is a huge reason why we made the playoffs. He turned on the afterburners and away he went.

3) Martin St Louis is also a top point producer in the NHL. Maybe even top five the couple of years. Who on this team can do what St Louis did for the Lightning when Stamkos went down?

You're just making my case for me.

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Everyone, please rest your Sphincters, Hexy ain't over the cap... well he is but everything is fine, our team will be legal as is. and we have maybe 1.8 mil to play with...
- flyler

They can still spend more money and keep Lecavalier!

If you HAD to choose from one of Heatly, Mueller or Setoguchi to be the number one LW going into next year (contract aside) which would you all choose?
- coffee junkie

Heater or Seto. Both have shown they have the ability to score goals but I'd Choose Seto before Heater since Heater is declining fast.

It's apparently another day of cap panic in Flyers land. The Flyers cap picture is fine, and it's fine going forward. Please remain calm!

Another thing I'm reading is Hextall's new mantra of building through he draft. That direction for this team has been in place for about 4 years now, since 2010 under Holmgren. This is nothing new.
- MJL

Source? Proof?