If someone claimed Rosehill or Rinaldo, they would not be screwed. They wouold be removed from the Flyers Cap just as if they had cleared and were demoted.

Capgeek is a guess on what the roster might be for the season. The numbers are not exact because it is impossible to do so in the off season.
- MJL

Oh so if you get taken on waivers before the season starts you don't have to pay half of the players salary like what happens during the season?

I still believe lecavalier will be better than last year if he stays. Good fit or not
- funmaster18

I hope so -- it would be nice to have him simply find a way to fit better.

He's going to score goals. But being a little better in other areas would be nice

So right now we are technically cap compliant, but in a very bad situation as we would get VERY little support from Pronger's LTIR.
- FlyersSteve118

The "support" is the same regardless. The only difference is spend the money up front, or have the option of spending it later. The only trouble spot is not having cap space to cover injuries for call ups. That's why if option 2 is used, a player such as Straka needs to be included, so he can later be demoted to clear space.

I still believe lecavalier will be better than last year if he stays. Good fit or not
- funmaster18

I've always believed this. I would have happily entered the 2014-2015 season with the same group. At least give the team time to gel before deciding it just isn't good enough. A Full season of MacDonald with one of Luke Schenn or Mark Streit helps. In fact I think it's huge. Leavalier is a pro, I don't see why he cannot bounce back. I just don't like the hole next to Giroux.

Oh so if you get taken on waivers before the season starts you don't have to pay half of the players salary like what happens during the season?
- FlyersSteve118

You don't have to pay half during the season either.

You're thinking of recall waivers. Which no longer exists.

St louis asked to be traded after Stamkos' return. They got Stamkos back down the stretch. Tampa was lucky to have St Louis until that time. What's so hard to understand about this? Do you really think Tampa could do this without both Stamkos and St Louis because they had to Calder Nominee that had zero chance of even winning the Calder??
- SuperSchennBros

This isn't even worth a detailed response.

I still think he gets traded. Whatever his shortcomings are, he can still score goals. He had twenty last year in a nightmare season. If the Flyers weren't such a mediocre 5 on 5 team, I'd have zero issue keeping him and figuring out a way to fit him in.

Other teams will still need production
- Jsaquella

I want to believe that, but I think the Legwand deal is a back breaker for a move right now

Hopefully, he'll have a good season for the Flyers, score some big goals. I can root for him, still.

This isn't even worth a detailed response.
- mochoson

Because you don't have one. You're the only person missing the point.

So when we sign guys like Bellemare technically they start out of the Phantoms and don't have to clear waivers or anything? I thought he received a one way deal so wouldn't that put him on the Flyers right away?

If it did, it would mean that the flyers have 22 contracts and 1.3mil in space left to reach the 4.9mil and only have one contract available to be called up.
- FlyersSteve118

Waivers are determined by when the player signed his contract, and how many professional games he has played. Waivers have nothing to do with one way, or two way contracts.

One way means the player has the same salary for the NHL and the AHL. Two way is one salary for the NHL, and a lower salary for the AHL. That's about how a plyaer is paid.

I thought we were only 1.2mil over the cap ceiling? Meaning that if we waived Rosehill/ Rinaldo we would be under the cap, but if someone claimed one of them off of waivers we would be screwed because we would still be over the ceiling.

Edit: I forgot about Emery/ Akeson. We are 3mil over the cap and CapGeek doesn't have the numbers on Bellemare either.
- FlyersSteve118

Yes, they do.

http://www.capgeek.com/player/3450

Yes, they do.

http://www.capgeek.com/player/3450
- Feanor

I meant they don't have him counting against the flyer's cap next year.

Waivers are determined by when the player signed his contract, and how many professional games he has played. Waivers have nothing to do with one way, or two way contracts.

One way means the player has the same salary for the NHL and the AHL. Two way is one salary for the NHL, and a lower salary for the AHL. That's about how a plyaer is paid.
- MJL

Yeah, but I just assumed if you signed a player to a one way NHL contract, he would immediately be a part of the big club, not have to be recalled up from the Phantoms. That's confusing.

I've always believed this. I would have happily entered the 2014-2015 season with the same group. At least give the team time to gel before deciding it just isn't good enough. A Full season of MacDonald with one of Luke Schenn or Mark Streit helps. In fact I think it's huge. Leavalier is a pro, I don't see why he cannot bounce back. I just don't like the hole next to Giroux.
- SuperSchennBros

The only that sucks is our forward core is going to have to be completely reworked in order to fit Vinny in, but if it is done right there could possibly be a way of it working out.

Yeah, but I just assumed if you signed a player to a one way NHL contract, he would immediately be a part of the big club, not have to be recalled up from the Phantoms. That's confusing.
- FlyersSteve118

That is correct. Any player signed to a one way contract counts on the cap in the off season. And if the team wants to remove that player from the cap, they have to either waive and or demote the player. Depending on the players waiver status.

So when we sign guys like Bellemare technically they start out of the Phantoms and don't have to clear waivers or anything? I thought he received a one way deal so wouldn't that put him on the Flyers right away?

If it did, it would mean that the flyers have 22 contracts and 1.3mil in space left to reach the 4.9mil and only have one contract available to be called up.
- FlyersSteve118

Bellemare doesn't have to clear because he's on his first NHL deal, and has no North American experience. Guys like VandeVelde, Rinaldo, etc. do have to clear because of age and being under contract to NHL teams.

That is correct. Any player signed to a one way contract counts on the cap in the off season. And if the team wants to remove that player from the cap, they have to either waive and or demote the player. Depending on the players waiver status.
- MJL

Its just that CapGeek doesn't have Bellemare counting against the Flyers' cap this year yet, which I was confused by.

The only that sucks is our forward core is going to have to be completely reworked in order to fit Vinny in, but if it is done right there could possibly be a way of it working out.
- FlyersSteve118

Honestly, even if Vinny is gone, I'd shuffle the lines a good bit.

If Giroux gets hurt, we barely have a capable #2 center let alone a strong 1/2 punch where the #2 can take over #1 duties for significant time. We also do not have a top line forward threat to put goals away. Like OV has Backstrom, Crosby and Malkin, Toews/ Kane, Perry/ Getzlaf, and Stamkos/ St. Louis. All power house contenders have some sort of 1/2 punch in their offense. In the flyers case, all McDonagh and Girardi had to do was bully Giroux and we were toast. No secondary offense.

The point is that the flyers seriously NEED B Schenn to step up as a true top line legitimate threat on offense or we will never be true contenders. And without Giroux we wouldn't even be a playoff team, we would be hoping for McDavid or Eichel next year.
- FlyersSteve118

So let me get this straight....

A team that had seven twenty goal scorers needs to subtract from that total of 7, and basically add in a 35-40 goal scorer? That's the solution to our problems? So were admitting our top line can be easily shut down, and the solution is subtracting further from lines 2-4 (which apparently also aren't good enough, because they can't support Giroux) in order to make the 1st line better? There is no logic in this what so ever.

The Rangers shutting down the Flyers offensively has to do with many factors. For one, their a good team with a great goalie. Secondly, the Flyers were one of the WORST 5v5 teams in the league last year. They were putrid. So of course great teams like the Rangers are going to shut down the Flyers, even with 4 decent lines of forwards.

I'm lost where adding a guy to Giroux's line to get that "1-2 punch" at offense is the solution to our problems. Subtract the Centers from the leagues top scorers, and Voracek is 21st in the leauge in points. We already have a star winger on this team, and he's already attached to G's hip. What you're asking for already isn't working.

Has nothing to do with adding something we don't have. It's making what we already have work better. We need to get better 5v5, and that's a team issue, not a solely a forward issue. You start that by separating Giroux and Jake 5v5 to get that "1-2" punch at forward you speak of. Every "1-2" you listed above are players that don't play with eachother 5v5 with the exception of Getzlaf and Perry and OV and Backstrom (the latter of which isn't working well, either).

I'm just really confused where we need to add scoring to this team when we were 8th in G/PG in the league. Makes absolutely no sense.

Bellemare doesn't have to clear because he's on his first NHL deal, and has no North American experience. Guys like VandeVelde, Rinaldo, etc. do have to clear because of age and being under contract to NHL teams.
- Jsaquella

Oh ok. So he counts against the 10% overage, but they don't count him against the cap space because he is completely waiver exempt. Now it makes perfect sense. God NHL waiver rules are the worst.

Honestly, even if Vinny is gone, I'd shuffle the lines a good bit.
- Jsaquella

You're softening on VL returning.

The only that sucks is our forward core is going to have to be completely reworked in order to fit Vinny in, but if it is done right there could possibly be a way of it working out.
- FlyersSteve118

I agree completely. I think Umburger coming in complicates things as well. It's not as if this is an impossible puzzle to piece together but it's not as pretty as it once was.

Bellemare doesn't have to clear because he's on his first NHL deal, and has no North American experience. Guys like VandeVelde, Rinaldo, etc. do have to clear because of age and being under contract to NHL teams.
- Jsaquella

Bellemare is exempt for one year based on his signing age of 29. Guys like Vandevelde and Rinaldo have to clear not because of age, but because of how long ago they signed their first contract, and how many games they've played. Not just because they are under contract to an NHL team. Bellemare is also under contract to an NHL team.

You're softening on VL returning.
- PhillySportsGuy

Ha! I think it has always been more of a likelihood than we wanted to believe

Oh ok. So he counts against the 10% overage, but they don't count him against the cap space because he is completely waiver exempt. Now it makes perfect sense. God NHL waiver rules are the worst.
- FlyersSteve118

Listen, Capgeek just guesses at what the roster might be for the upcoming season. It is an estimate. Capgeek does not keep the off season cap for teams.

And Bellmare does not count against the 10% overage. He is signed to a 2 way contract. And did not play for the Flyers last year.

No, I'm just the only one courageous enough to argue your idiocy.
- mochoson

Why not just disagree instead of insult?