I only want Phaneuf at the expense of Bailey +
if that is not the deal/trade then I have no issues not taking him.
My point being that Phaneuf is making $7M for 7yrs and at the age of 30.
To me that contract/him are good for the next 4yrs maybe 5th, but to pay someone $7M on the last 2-3yrs is crazy when he'll be 35-37yrs old... sorry just my opinion.

Plus don't care want TOR would want, there are the ones who put themselves in that position. hence like the isles put themselves in the DP situation.
- Ur Not Me

I dont see anyone giving up much for Phaneuf either but I am sure they can top Bailey. That contract would scare me off plus Phaneuf is a douche

I think the Isles are deep at F, wouldnt see why a match wouldnt be found with a team that is deep at D. Dan Boyle is worse defensively and old but that seemed to be what the Islanders are going at. Just my opinion
- scatch38

The Boyle acquisition was more towards bringing in a respected veteran to team that could possibly help attract others, it didn't work, so Snow went in another direction instead.

I dont see anyone giving up much for Phaneuf either but I am sure they can top Bailey. That contract would scare me off plus Phaneuf is a douche
- scatch38

If TOR can get anything worthy or better, good for them.. Every GM is trying to make their team better, that's their job....

I think the Isles are deep at F, wouldnt see why a match wouldnt be found with a team that is deep at D. Dan Boyle is worse defensively and old but that seemed to be what the Islanders are going at. Just my opinion
- scatch38

Dan Boyle was also a convenient situation, a very talented D-men, at the end of his contract, sharks didn't want him back at what Dan was looking for... So Snow traded for his rights to try and get someone with his credentials here on the Island. If someone like Boyle would have signed before the free agent period started.. it could have, "could" have had a domino effect and made one of the bigger more sought after free agents give the Island a look before saying no straight up.
It wasn't that we wanted Dan Boyle's talents as much as we wanted his experience, his leadership and his name on the roster.

XxNYIxX

I dont see anyone giving up much for Phaneuf either but I am sure they can top Bailey. That contract would scare me off plus Phaneuf is a douche
- scatch38

teams can top Bailey, but who can & wants to fit 7m into their cap?

He's a douche i wouldn't mind on my team.

XxNYIxX

Unfortunately when you have a solid pool of prospects, potential trade partners want to overreach. I think they are better off with D help acquiring older UFA vets like Tallender or Volchenkov so they can hold the prospects.

Bailey is a potential trade target but his worth is as a second line center, but they are plentiful so can't think of any team looking for that position or an upgrade.

Defensive dmen are on the way in the system. Top 4 defensive dman would be an elite dman. Otherwise you can pick up a guy like Butler from Calgary on the cheap.
- scatch38

...OR, we can hang up the phone with the coyotes and shop around looking at the other 28 teams.

I dont see anyone giving up much for Phaneuf either but I am sure they can top Bailey. That contract would scare me off plus Phaneuf is a douche
- scatch38

"Well we had a trade in place for Dion but we rescinded our offer once our analysis came back indicating that Mr. Phaneuf was, in fact, a douche. After that we weren't concerned with his hockey abilities"

All I can think is that the players that is not untradeable....at least in my point of view is:

Tavares
Okposo
Lee
Strome
Nelson
Reinhart
Puloch
Cizikas (heart of a lion)


How about this? We could trade for evander kane and yandle

Evander Kane for Grabner,and a pick

Yandle for Josh Bailey, Pokka, and mayfield

then we would have this...

KANE TAVARES OKPOSO
KUL Nielsen GRABO
Strome Nelson LEE
Martin Cizikas Clutterback

Yandle De Haan
Hamonic Reinhart
VIsnoysky Strait/Hickey/Carkner

Halak
Johnson

I would say we would have a heck of a team!

Teams that you trade for in the summer are not the same teams you have in the fall because you don't know how players will play until you evaluate them in training camp and the first month. I'm more in favor of signing depth players on D.

To be fair, with Phaneuf's contract that will pay him $7M a year for the next 7yrs, he will be 37 by time contract ends. Now don't get me wrong he will be serviceable for about another 4-5yrs but the last 2yrs at $7M can hinder a team. I know the leafs are looking to move him and are expecting something great in return, but you shall be disappointed bc of how the NHL teams value their salary cap. If Spezza got a decent/lousy return from Dallas w/1yr left on contract but a $7M cap hit, don't expect anything but a bad contract back, sorry.
Now I don't know about Franson's value, but not sure if he's deserving of top tier prospects back, maybe a pick or two.

But if any deal is made w/isles for any of the Leafs players, I don't expect anything great Snow is willing to part with....
- Ur Not Me

exactly....look at the Erhoff buy out. Now I'm not saying they're the same player but kind of a similar situation in that while the cap hit for Erhoff was not bad at all, it was a long contract so if he retired early the team would get hit will millions in cap pentalties which is essentially the same as a $7M cap hit on a 37 yr. old player. Murray couldn't get squat in a trade so had to do the buy out.

I think New York and the other big cities like it is still an exciting destination for alot of the Europeans, which is why the Grabovski/Kulemin signing didn't totally surprise me.

Dont need Franssss ???


Patrick Sharp for Matt Martin and 2015 draft picks say a #2 and #3 ?


We need Salary relief and you need a real life 1st line wing to skate with your JT.....
- mrpaulish

I'd do that

I think the Leafs could retain $ 1M which makes this a very good long term deal for a top 2D

But the Leaf will want Strome and thats for sure..
- sarasotamike

Leaf's could keep dreaming.

All I can think is that the players that is not untradeable....at least in my point of view is:

Tavares
Okposo
Lee
Strome
Nelson
Reinhart
Puloch
Cizikas (heart of a lion)


How about this? We could trade for evander kane and yandle

Evander Kane for Grabner,and a pick

Yandle for Josh Bailey, Pokka, and mayfield

then we would have this...

KANE TAVARES OKPOSO
KUL Nielsen GRABO
Strome Nelson LEE
Martin Cizikas Clutterback

Yandle De Haan
Hamonic Reinhart
VIsnoysky Strait/Hickey/Carkner

Halak
Johnson

I would say we would have a heck of a team!
- ISLES1119

Any talk of aquiring Evander Kane starts with strome.

Anyone hear Snow on WFAN today? What did he say?

I just listened to snow on WFAN. He made sense as to why he made the vanek trade. Basically saying he'd never be able to sign him if he cold called him July 1st. He knew he wasn't going to re sigh moulson, so he did the trade in the hopes vanek woulda signed from being around the guys and seeing Long Island. Unfortunately, like Ryan Smyth it wasn't enough. He DID NOT do enough to convince these guys to stay. I ge why he did what he did, but he failed and it didt work. For that he should be relieved.

"Well we had a trade in place for Dion but we rescinded our offer once our analysis came back indicating that Mr. Phaneuf was, in fact, a douche. After that we weren't concerned with his hockey abilities"
- eichiefs9

In snows interview he said they weren't going to trade for a top dman, cause the price would be too steep. He's literally gonna go with the guys he has.

Couple things: did I really read a Leafs fan say that Oduya is a third pairing dman. If they watched past the second round of last year playoffs......nevermind.........

Since when has Nielsen been available? A bunch of the guys on the Hawks thread seem to think Garth Snow is practically giving him away.

Couple things: did I really read a Leafs fan say that Oduya is a third pairing dman. If they watched past the second round of last year playoffs......nevermind.........

Since when has Nielsen been available? A bunch of the guys on the Hawks thread seem to think Garth Snow is practically giving him away.
- faustus1500

Giving him away? If hes traded its going to be for a good return. Nielsen is an excellent player.

In snows interview he said they weren't going to trade for a top dman, cause the price would be too steep. He's literally gonna go with the guys he has.
- kindlyrick

He also essentially said they were done prior to spending 37 mil, so I'm going to wait and watch

In snows interview he said they weren't going to trade for a top dman, cause the price would be too steep. He's literally gonna go with the guys he has.
- kindlyrick

That's not what he said:

He said he isn't going to trade for a Potvin (ie: Weber, Pietri, etc).

He said he would boost our defense if the right trade came along, as in he does not want to look desperate because that leads to bad trades.

That's not what he said:

He said he isn't going to trade for a Potvin (ie: Weber, Pietri, etc).

He said he would boost our defense if the right trade came along, as in he does not want to look desperate because that leads to bad trades.
- Danformo

Translation : no top pair dman......I was paraphrasing from reading between the lines.

Here's what I just don't get. Snow has tried to sign UFA dmen for YEARS (Paul Martin, erhoff, Hamhuis, etc). To me, that's admission that you need help on the backend. I personally feel that it's a disservice to the fans to not put the best product on the ice possible. You don't always trade because its a fair deal, you trade because you need to address needs. Saying he would make a trade to bolster the defense if the right trade came through is not putting the best possible team on the ice.

Translation : no top pair dman......I was paraphrasing from reading between the lines.

Here's what I just don't get. Snow has tried to sign UFA dmen for YEARS (Paul Martin, erhoff, Hamhuis, etc). To me, that's admission that you need help on the backend. I personally feel that it's a disservice to the fans to not put the best product on the ice possible. You don't always trade because its a fair deal, you trade because you need to address needs. Saying he would make a trade to bolster the defense if the right trade came through is not putting the best possible team on the ice.
- kindlyrick

When it comes to making trades agents and players also play a bigger role than you think. Just like if you had several job offers, would you choose the company that everybody looks down on or bad mouths?

As Snow said he knew little about Long Island as a visiting player except for the Marriott Hotel and Coliseum.

I liked the fact that he said the organization mentors their young players and tries to keep them together to bond as the future teammates. That's how you build organization, team and tradition.

Important that Kulemin and Grabo were happy to sign here.

If Volchenkov can get himself into top shape, he may be a good addition.

When it comes to making trades agents and players also play a bigger role than you think. Just like if you had several job offers, would you choose the company that everybody looks down on or bad mouths?

As Snow said he knew little about Long Island as a visiting player except for the Marriott Hotel and Coliseum.

I liked the fact that he said the organization mentors their young players and tries to keep them together to bond as the future teammates. That's how you build organization, team and tradition.

Important that Kulemin and Grabo were happy to sign here.

If Volchenkov can get himself into top shape, he may be a good addition.
- Fan101

Kumelin and grabovski signed here for two reasons. First, they got "overpaid" and were promised they'd play together. I have no problem whatsoever with that. This is what you need to do to bring in people.

I don't listen to what Garth spews because its all BS. The bottom line is people don't wanna sign here because the isles as an organization are perrenial losers. The "committee" is the major problem. The reason why snows job is never in question is because all decisions have wangs input/approval. Therefor you can't hold Garth accountable when the decision making is every bit Charles as it is Garth.

I'm sick of hearing about the coliseum and the Marriott. Those excuses are about as old as the urinals at the coliseum.

Giving him away? If hes traded its going to be for a good return. Nielsen is an excellent player.
- Cptmjl

Oh I agree. Quality centers are rare. Anyway here is my trade proposal.

Michael Rosival + Italian Beef sandwich for
Ray's large pepperoni pizza.