If the money only allows one to buy a ferari and a volvo you get one of each. you dont buy a ferarri and a hummer and miss out on the house payment... this metaphor thing isn't working for me right now. I've made my entirely valid point and again expect dupes on the first. JR isn't getting Vanek, said he isn't trading letang, and doesn't have the money to fill out the third and fourth if he gets a moulson etc. at least until dupes proves he is a bad option, or until the trade deadline, he is gonna start with crosby.
- ChrisMS

2008/09 Dupes is a 3rd/4th line player. Pens go to the cup....nuff said.

But by all means we can maintain the status quo and have early exits.

Plz stop with these stupid posts about dupes belonging on sides wing bc of 3-4 yrs ago... it makes you look stupid bc kuni geno neal were the same way yet no one ever posts they should have been put back together...

Dupes belongs on 3rd line and that is where he should play.. it is not only a.smart move but it will balance out the lines greatly....

From what I understand Sid wanted to Dupuis on his line. You know better than him I guess?

From what I understand Sid wanted to Dupuis on his line. You know better than him I guess?
- Grinder47

Source?

Or was it an after game locker question where Rossi says "how do you feel about your linemates?'' How do you expect him to reply? ever notice how the vast majority of sports journalism is PR canned answers?

How does it work with a buyout? Such as Enroff? Is all of a sudden a UFA, or does a team absorb the remainder of his contract?

How does it work with a buyout? Such as Enroff? Is all of a sudden a UFA, or does a team absorb the remainder of his contract?
- sammy87

He gets a certain percentage of the remainder of his contract by the Sabres. It does not count against the cap.

He is a UFA just like everybody else on July 1.

The money he makes with his new contract will be on top of the buyout money he still receives. Dude made straight cash with Buffalo for 3 years of work.

He gets a certain percentage of the remainder of his contract by the Sabres. It does not count against the cap.

He is a UFA just like everybody else on July 1.

The money he makes with his new contract will be on top of the buyout money he still receives. Dude made straight cash with Buffalo for 3 years of work.
- Ryan_Wilson

What a gravy train! You know he will get $4+ somewhere.

What a gravy train! You know he will get $4+ somewhere.
- sammy87

He absolutely will.

according to TIOPS, sounds like Penguins plan on making offers to Manny Malhotra, David Moss, and Kulemin.

thoughts?
- SuperHenderson13

Have zero interest in any of these absent Kulemin as a third line guy.

Fact is this, there are many names being reported that Pittsburgh is allegedly chasing ... Vrbata, Kulemin, Hemsky, Maholtra, Moss, Miller, Hiller, Marleau, Kane, now Ehrhoff. JR made a deal that few saw coming. Some brought up Hornqvuist's name here, but I doubt people really saw it really happening.

Maholtra is garbage now. Moss is too. I realize we don't have the cap to go out spending, but ...

2008/09 Dupes is a 3rd/4th line player. Pens go to the cup....nuff said.

But by all means we can maintain the status quo and have early exits.
- sammy87

I find it somewhat humerous that both of Sid's wingers, who have been both VERY successful on the first line being taken to task in this offseason. Fact is this, once Dupes went down, Sid struggled. That first line struggled. There was no consistency as nine or 10 other forwards were tried to fill the void it seemed (Bennett, Stemp, Glass, Pyatt, Megna, Gibbons just to name a few). When all three are playing; that line is in sync and it produces as one of the top lines in the game. While people like yourself discredit him and his contributions, like it or not, he manages to produce and is a key component to that line. Too many people have this put XXX and YYY as wingers with Sid (insert any random player) and they automatically produce 25 goals is laughable.

He gets a certain percentage of the remainder of his contract by the Sabres. It does not count against the cap.

He is a UFA just like everybody else on July 1.

The money he makes with his new contract will be on top of the buyout money he still receives. Dude made straight cash with Buffalo for 3 years of work.
- Ryan_Wilson

He made $22 mil in three years with that big signing bonus. Plus the buyout money for rest of the deal. Dude got paid.

I find it somewhat humerous that both of Sid's wingers, who have been both VERY successful on the first line being taken to task in this offseason. Fact is this, once Dupes went down, Sid struggled. That first line struggled. There was no consistency as nine or 10 other forwards were tried to fill the void it seemed (Bennett, Stemp, Glass, Pyatt, Megna, Gibbons just to name a few). When all three are playing; that line is in sync and it produces as one of the top lines in the game. While people like yourself discredit him and his contributions, like it or not, he manages to produce and is a key component to that line. Too many people have this put XXX and YYY as wingers with Sid (insert any random player) and they automatically produce 25 goals is laughable.
- Oneonta Penguin

Everyone of those players you mentioned is garbage. BB is yet to be proven, but he may or may not be top 6 material. We will find out this season. That top line in the league was 2 yrs ago. Ask Ryan to dig up some stats that show how long a top line from 1 season to another ranges and if it can ever recover to that point.

At what point do you want to replace Dupes on the 1st? When he's in a wheel chair? Or while he is still an effective player and can be huge on the 3rd? And once again as been stated before, how effective have the Pens translated reg season performance into playoff performance?

He gets a certain percentage of the remainder of his contract by the Sabres. It does not count against the cap.

He is a UFA just like everybody else on July 1.

The money he makes with his new contract will be on top of the buyout money he still receives. Dude made straight cash with Buffalo for 3 years of work.
- Ryan_Wilson

I thought buyouts made the player a UFA immediately, not on July 1.

I'm intrigued by Jaden Lindo. I just read a buzzing the net blog that compared him to Wayne Simmonds and Joel Ward. Incredibly lazy journalism picking the two best black players to probably ever come through Owen Sound, but if he has a future anywhere near those other guys, then we got a draft day steal.

Everyone of those players you mentioned is garbage. BB is yet to be proven, but he may or may not be top 6 material. We will find out this season. That top line in the league was 2 yrs ago. Ask Ryan to dig up some stats that show how long a top line from 1 season to another ranges and if it can ever recover to that point.

At what point do you want to replace Dupes on the 1st? When he's in a wheel chair? Or while he is still an effective player and can be huge on the 3rd? And once again as been stated before, how effective have the Pens translated reg season performance into playoff performance?
- sammy87

Yes, every one of those players is garbage. That said, there is a pretty big contingent of posters on this board that believe insert any random player with Sid and they would produce, hence the discrediting of Dupuis and even Kunitz which has happened a great deal. Ironic the first line went to hell when Dupes got injured?

At what point? How about when he shows he can't produce on the first line. It's pretty simple to me. Not rocket science. He can be huge on the third line, but he is also a very effective player with Sid. Also, bonafide first line wingers that should be paired with Sid make how much? Our cap situation is what?

Caps need to sign Ehrhoff.

Yes, every one of those players is garbage. That said, there is a pretty big contingent of posters on this board that believe insert any random player with Sid and they would produce, hence the discrediting of Dupuis and even Kunitz which has happened a great deal. Ironic the first line went to hell when Dupes got injured?

At what point? How about when he shows he can't produce on the first line. It's pretty simple to me. Not rocket science. He can be huge on the third line, but he is also a very effective player with Sid. Also, bonafide first line wingers that should be paired with Sid make how much? Our cap situation is what?
- Oneonta Penguin

I don't believe that Crosby can turn Gibbons into Dupes, or Jagr. I do believe that Sid needs someone that can help create on their own and give him the opportunity he needs to shine. I would rather be proactive in setting up the team over waiting until Dupes cant do anything to make arrangements. Stats show that Dupes was on the decline prior to injury last year over the previous year. The lockout year he was great, but also he might have benefitted from a shortened season. At 35 and coming off a knee injury, I highly doubt we see the Dupes when he was 33. And once again, the last several playoff years Sid has not done much in the playoffs with super duper, or really ever.

With regards to your cap situation, I would have preferred Shero made several very different decisions a long time ago that would have allowed for a more balanced roster over putting your best players on different lines.

I don't believe that Crosby can turn into Dupes, or Jagr. I do believe that Sid needs someone that can help create on their own and give him the opportunity he needs to shine. I would rather be proactive in setting up the team over waiting until Dupes cant do anything to make arrangements. Stats show that Dupes was on the decline prior to injury last year over the previous year. The lockout year he was great, but also he might have benefitted from a shortened season. At 35 and coming off a knee injury, I highly doubt we see the Dupes when he was 33. And once again, the last several playoff years Sid has not done much in the playoffs with super duper, or really ever.

With regards to your cap situation, I would have preferred Shero made several very different decisions a long time ago that would have allowed for a more balanced roster over putting your best players on different lines.
- sammy87

So, who do you want to waste the cap on Vanek or Camellarie? Both would be significant wastes.

I find it somewhat humerous that both of Sid's wingers, who have been both VERY successful on the first line being taken to task in this offseason. Fact is this, once Dupes went down, Sid struggled. That first line struggled. There was no consistency as nine or 10 other forwards were tried to fill the void it seemed (Bennett, Stemp, Glass, Pyatt, Megna, Gibbons just to name a few). When all three are playing; that line is in sync and it produces as one of the top lines in the game. While people like yourself discredit him and his contributions, like it or not, he manages to produce and is a key component to that line. Too many people have this put XXX and YYY as wingers with Sid (insert any random player) and they automatically produce 25 goals is laughable.
- Oneonta Penguin

The sky is falling Oneionta ... The last week I ve read that "kuni is on the decline" ..." Dupes is a 3rd line player"... Makes me miss the days when we debated despres dressing and bylsma sucking ... At least those conversations made sense for the most part...

The sky is falling Oneionta ... The last week I ve read that "kuni is on the decline" ..." Dupes is a 3rd line player"... Makes me miss the days when we debated despres dressing and bylsma sucking ... At least those conversations made sense for the most part...
- Brianandr1

I'm always a proponent of if its not broken, why fix it? You fix it when its broken. It was pretty obvious Crosby and Kunitz missed Dupes this year.

People are too enamored getting enigmas to fill in for Dupes on the first line and expect these players with alot of talent but questionable results or work ethic to put up 30.

So, who do you want to waste the cap on Vanek or Camellarie? Both would be significant wastes.
- Oneonta Penguin

No never said that, I would look at Hemsky though.

14-87-PH/Hemsky
BB-71-PH/Hemsky/Jussi
9-Spalding-UFA(Kulemen)
Adams-Vitale-gibbons/Megna

Figure out a way to move Scuds and this works. By not dropping Dupes you still have to figure out the bottom 6.

I'm always a proponent of if its not broken, why fix it? You fix it when its broken. It was pretty obvious Crosby and Kunitz missed Dupes this year.

People are too enamored getting enigmas to fill in for Dupes on the first line and expect these players with alot of talent but questionable results or work ethic to put up 30.
- Oneonta Penguin

It is broken, been that way since 10'. Have you not watched any post seasons? You didn't hear Shero and bylsma got fired?

It is broken, been that way since 10'. Have you not watched any post seasons? You didn't hear Shero and bylsma got fired?
- sammy87

yup, definately completely broken... hence missing the playoffs the past 4 years... wait. does that mean 29 teams were broken each of the past 4 seasons? and 29 teams will be broken for the rest of the future of the NHL?

I'm always a proponent of if its not broken, why fix it? You fix it when its broken. It was pretty obvious Crosby and Kunitz missed Dupes this year.

People are too enamored getting enigmas to fill in for Dupes on the first line and expect these players with alot of talent but questionable results or work ethic to put up 30.
- Oneonta Penguin

if the pens were good on their 3rd and 4th lines and had cap space than replacing Dupes before he's proven he doesn't belong would be a nice luxury. but sadly there is reality and dupes being a top 6 isn't even in the top 10 of problems the pens have right now

I thought everyone wanted change? Or is it change without the actual change part?