Slim to none. I think they get a deal done fairly quickly. If they are looking for bottom 6 depth trading him just adds another hole
- dbell646

Sorry man so much for Sutter, I heard a bird just flew into his chest and shattered his ribcage. Just when I was starting to like him too!!

Stastny?
- Topshelf Mountain

I tend to think that will be next.

Sorry man so much for Sutter, I heard a bird just flew into his chest and shattered his ribcage. Just when I was starting to like him too!!
- nbartley9

Ha ha he is skinny. Met him in person was real douchey. Larry brooks reporting pens met with pouliot camp and will push hard for him. Depending on price I like him

I have that same gut feeling as I did the day before the draft. I think we are going to make another splash tomorrow. I think not only will we sign 2 or 3 people but I think there could be another trade. That's just the feeling I get with the new management team. I'll guess that either Fleury, Martin, or Sutter are on their way out. Sutter is looking for $4M??

Sidenote: Spaling is looking for $2.5M. Geez that's a lot for an questionable commodity....

Ha ha he is skinny. Met him in person was real douchey. Larry brooks reporting pens met with pouliot camp and will push hard for him. Depending on price I like him
- dbell646

Great like I needed more reason to hate his freaking guts.

I tend to think that will be next.
- Reverend Killtaker

I was thinking more Briere for the rights of Stastny. Wouldn't have thought Briere would net P.A.

Great like I needed more reason to hate his freaking guts.
- nbartley9

Ha Ha if it helps he had a really hot chick with him.

The "top six/bottom six" way of thinking is becoming outdated. You really need a solid top nine to be competitive. You really need three solid lines that you can put out there in any situation, and not have to shield their minutes.
- rival22

I don't disagree with that. However, people are too fixated on the third line. To me, we have way more options this year than last. JR seems to have more interest in using most of the cap money on that, instead of the gaping hole(s) we have in out top six. People continue to female dog that our top line didn't do jack poop in the play-offs because it was Crosby and Kunitz with some random player. Those same people continue to think Dupes is a third line guy. So, gaping hole on the first line, unless Horngvuist is there. There very well could be a gaping hole on the second line as well.

Not saying the third line isn't important, but people don't want to admit we have bigger issues on the top two lines. That is a big reason why we blew the Rags series.

I have that same gut feeling as I did the day before the draft. I think we are going to make another splash tomorrow. I think not only will we sign 2 or 3 people but I think there could be another trade. That's just the feeling I get with the new management team. I'll guess that either Fleury, Martin, or Sutter are on their way out. Sutter is looking for $4M??

Sidenote: Spaling is looking for $2.5M. Geez that's a lot for an questionable commodity....
- YouMeAndDupuis9

I hope he is and isn't signed. Let him sit. That shows how foolish that acquisition is/was.

I have that same gut feeling as I did the day before the draft. I think we are going to make another splash tomorrow. I think not only will we sign 2 or 3 people but I think there could be another trade. That's just the feeling I get with the new management team. I'll guess that either Fleury, Martin, or Sutter are on their way out. Sutter is looking for $4M??

Sidenote: Spaling is looking for $2.5M. Geez that's a lot for an questionable commodity....
- YouMeAndDupuis9

Just because a player is "looking" for it certainly doesn't mean he is going to get it. Both Sutter and Spalding are trying to set the terms of the negotiation high such that when a compromise is struck it is more on their terms than that of the opposing side (ie, the Penguins). Its pretty much Negotiation 101.

However, in the end the Penguins have the hammer of being able to force both of them to play out their RFA tender's at $2.7M (Sutter) and Spalding ($1.5M on 1yr deals). In terms of a 3-year earning window, consider the following:

Sutter: $2.7M + $4M + $4M = $10.7M = $3.56M + $3.56M +$3.56M

Spalding: $1.5M + $2.5M + $2.5M = $6.5M = $2.16M + $2.16M + $2.16M

The first set of numbers is their RFA tender amount plus a two-year deal for their desired salary as a UFA. The second set of numbers is the average across all three years they would need to strike as a RFA this offseason to match the same earnings in that 3-year window.

Given the incentive to sign a longer term deal now (ie, security in case of injury/bad year) & the higher bar the player is attempting to set for himself, I'd guess Sutter comes in around $3.25M/yr and Spalding around $1.85M/yr on 3-year deals each.

I don't disagree with that. However, people are too fixated on the third line. To me, we have way more options this year than last. JR seems to have more interest in using most of the cap money on that, instead of the gaping hole(s) we have in out top six. People continue to female dog that our top line didn't do jack poop in the play-offs because it was Crosby and Kunitz with some random player. Those same people continue to think Dupes is a third line guy. So, gaping hole on the first line, unless Horngvuist is there. There very well could be a gaping hole on the second line as well.

Not saying the third line isn't important, but people don't want to admit we have bigger issues on the top two lines. That is a big reason why we blew the Rags series.
- Oneonta Penguin

This team needs and will be filled with the classic trickle-down signings. Hornqvist is better that Dupes, Dupes drops a line or preferably two. Bennett has untapped potential and looked great when he was healthy. Bring in Kulemin for Malkin. Third line is now pretty dang solid.

And regarding your post right after this about Spaling. I watch quite a few Nashville games because of my location. He is a solid player who didn't benefit from the system or his linemates. Him on the third with Sutter and Dupes would be very close to the Staal, Kennedy, Cooke line. Spalings best days are ahead of him and 2.5 isn't a stretch.

And for the love of pucks, can everyone stop spelling Spaling after a volleyball. He's not the cousin of "Wilson"!!!!

This team needs and will be filled with the classic trickle-down signings. Hornqvist is better that Dupes, Dupes drops a line or preferably two. Bennett has untapped potential and looked great when he was healthy. Bring in Kulemin for Malkin. Third line is now pretty dang solid.

And regarding your post right after this about Spaling. I watch quite a few Nashville games because of my location. He is a solid player who didn't benefit from the system or his linemates. Him on the third with Sutter and Dupes would be very close to the Staal, Kennedy, Cooke line. Spalings best days are ahead of him and 2.5 isn't a stretch.
- Topshelf Mountain

People are relying too much on Bennett. That is going to come back and haunt. He might have unlimited potential, but potential gets more coaches fired than hired. He has unlimited potential to sit in the pressbox 60 games per year due to a wrist injury. That is the potential I see from Bennett. I will celebrate it he reaches five goals in a season.

Kulemin is a third line player. His skill set screams it. He isn't the two-way 30-goal scoring guy of three to four years ago. That was a fluke. Kulemin-Sutter-Dupes on the third would be a very good one.

People are relying too much on Bennett. That is going to come back and haunt. He might have unlimited potential, but potential gets more coaches fired than hired. He has unlimited potential to sit in the pressbox 60 games per year due to a wrist injury. That is the potential I see from Bennett. I will celebrate it he reaches five goals in a season.

Kulemin is a third line player. His skill set screams it. He isn't the two-way 30-goal scoring guy of three to four years ago. That was a fluke. Kulemin-Sutter-Dupes on the third would be a very good one.
- Oneonta Penguin

I like my third better.

People are relying too much on Bennett. That is going to come back and haunt. He might have unlimited potential, but potential gets more coaches fired than hired. He has unlimited potential to sit in the pressbox 60 games per year due to a wrist injury. That is the potential I see from Bennett. I will celebrate it he reaches five goals in a season.

Kulemin is a third line player. His skill set screams it. He isn't the two-way 30-goal scoring guy of three to four years ago. That was a fluke. Kulemin-Sutter-Dupes on the third would be a very good one.
- Oneonta Penguin

So what's your plan?

Do you think Duper is a 1st line player on any other team now or ever?
- dbell646

I don't believe Duper is a 1st line guy on a Cup team. I think that's already been proven out.

I don't mean to sound as if I am diminishing him at all. I love how the dude plays. Just not on the 1st line. I like Kunitz and Horn for Sid. 2 guys that can muck it up and go to the net. I think that line is a no-brainer going into next year.

I tend to agree with Rutherford it's not about the best guy it's about the right guy. We've had the best guys the past 5 seasons time to get the right guys. Not saying what he has done or will do will be right but they certainly weren't recently anyways. Tomorrow is a pretty big day but at least wait until mid season to start judging this team and new regime. Just my thoughts
- dbell646

Agreed on the "right guy". We just traded a known "wrong guy" for 2 hopefully right guys.

People badmouth the trade because they cant look past the goal production, flash, dash, and regular season accomplishments.

I don't believe Duper is a 1st line guy on a Cup team. I think that's already been proven out.

I don't mean to sound as if I am diminishing him at all. I love how the dude plays. Just not on the 1st line. I like Kunitz and Horn for Sid. 2 guys that can muck it up and go to the net. I think that line is a no-brainer going into next year.
- 87_71_11_29

That line would be scary.

I don't believe Duper is a 1st line guy on a Cup team. I think that's already been proven out.

I don't mean to sound as if I am diminishing him at all. I love how the dude plays. Just not on the 1st line. I like Kunitz and Horn for Sid. 2 guys that can muck it up and go to the net. I think that line is a no-brainer going into next year.
- 87_71_11_29

But Dupes had a good season 2 years ago! Never mind he's 35 coming off knee surgery, prior to his surgery he was in decline, and his line with Crosby did 0 in the playoffs, he deserves it!

Just because a player is "looking" for it certainly doesn't mean he is going to get it. Both Sutter and Spalding are trying to set the terms of the negotiation high such that when a compromise is struck it is more on their terms than that of the opposing side (ie, the Penguins). Its pretty much Negotiation 101.

However, in the end the Penguins have the hammer of being able to force both of them to play out their RFA tender's at $2.7M (Sutter) and Spalding ($1.5M on 1yr deals). In terms of a 3-year earning window, consider the following:

Sutter: $2.7M + $4M + $4M = $10.7M = $3.56M + $3.56M +$3.56M

Spalding: $1.5M + $2.5M + $2.5M = $6.5M = $2.16M + $2.16M + $2.16M

The first set of numbers is their RFA tender amount plus a two-year deal for their desired salary as a UFA. The second set of numbers is the average across all three years they would need to strike as a RFA this offseason to match the same earnings in that 3-year window.

Given the incentive to sign a longer term deal now (ie, security in case of injury/bad year) & the higher bar the player is attempting to set for himself, I'd guess Sutter comes in around $3.25M/yr and Spalding around $1.85M/yr on 3-year deals each.
- s0rcerer1984

Botterill? Is that you?

That line would be scary.
- dbell646

Yes it would! I like 71 with BB and another trade/ufa. Dupes-Sutter-Spalling would be sick as a 3rd line too.

That line would be scary.
- dbell646

I personally cant wait to see that line. Imagine all of the space 87 will hopefully have with Horn going to the net. Will also free up Kunitz from having to do that at his advancing age. So, hopefully, he'll be fresher and play less taxing minutes.

Sid should net well over 120+ points with those 2 if he stayed healthy.

Plug Malkin with his homeboy Kulemin (not a fan but looks like that has a good chance of happening...makes too much sense) and Bennett. Voila...2 pretty solid lines.

Sids line to cycle, grind, and score. Geno, at his most effective, dominating the puck with his line and no longer deferring to Neal.

Sutter, Duper, and Spal with speed, some skill, and grit on line 3.

That's pretty good.

Sing some 4th line mashers and we're all set.

But Dupes had a good season 2 years ago! Never mind he's 35 coming off knee surgery, prior to his surgery he was in decline, and his line with Crosby did 0 in the playoffs, he deserves it!
- sammy87

I assume if their was a sarcasm emoticon it would have been on the end of your post?

Yes it would! I like 71 with BB and another trade/ufa. Dupes-Sutter-Spalling would be sick as a 3rd line too.
- sammy87

I agree I think BB fits better with Malkin. He's more of a playmaker and can get the puck to Malkin for a shot. Not that malkin isn't a great passer but he loves to shoot.

But Dupes had a good season 2 years ago! Never mind he's 35 coming off knee surgery, prior to his surgery he was in decline, and his line with Crosby did 0 in the playoffs, he deserves it!
- sammy87

Are you serious? Dupuis and Crosby led the team with 7 goals each last year in the playoffs. Nobody showed up in the Boston series, but you are right, Dupuis being on the top line made everybody play like crap for that series. Makes sense!! The anti-Dupuis agenda is so outplayed here. It is ridiculous. Please all of you people who seem to hate Dupuis and think he is nothing more than an overrated 3rd liner, please tell me who we can realistically get for Dupuis' cap hit that will produce as much or more than Dupuis.