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hafgod
Buffalo Sabres
Location: United States, NY
Joined: 07.04.2007

Jun 29 @ 10:56 AM ET
Not long after the contact period started (prior to July 1), TM prob started to realize that nobody good wants to come to Buffalo.

So we buyout the Hoff, (who was hand picked by Pegula, or his daughter, or whomever..), just to soak the cap to get to the floor?

It can't look like a tank or the league may sanction us with draft penaltys?

- SuperCat

They should. They could give free tickets this year. Its going to be a lot of really bad hockey
hafgod
Buffalo Sabres
Location: United States, NY
Joined: 07.04.2007

Jun 29 @ 10:58 AM ET
We are the Cleveland Indians of major league movie.. There goes the hot water
sambarugh
Buffalo Sabres
Location: Meszároš has sick trade value, NY
Joined: 01.14.2008

Jun 29 @ 11:00 AM ET
I got a ton of crap when I said that besides Leino the other buyout candidate was the Hoff.

My guess is Murray couldn't get anything close to a good enough offer in his eyes to risk dealing with that recapture penalty. It really is a female dog.

He has a plan and a vision for this team, I am okay with this

- Stripes77


Agreed. This doesn't happen without valid reasoning. All I can do is trust the guy.
Stripes77
Referee
Buffalo Sabres
Location: Where ever Matt Ellis allows me to be, NY
Joined: 07.30.2012

Jun 29 @ 11:00 AM ET
They should. They could give free tickets this year. Its going to be a lot of really bad hockey
- hafgod



Because Ehrhoff was sooooooo good for us last year helping us not finish las...oh wait.

This move is all about the future.
dadeadhead
Buffalo Sabres
Location: I don't want to say Greztky was a dude when I was watching. Mentalorgasm5 , NY
Joined: 07.16.2006

Jun 29 @ 11:01 AM ET
We are the Cleveland Indians of major league movie.. There goes the hot water
- hafgod



http://youtu.be/F_f8l2RRKko
hafgod
Buffalo Sabres
Location: United States, NY
Joined: 07.04.2007

Jun 29 @ 11:01 AM ET
Agreed. This doesn't happen without valid reasoning. All I can do is trust the guy.
- sambarugh

Murray might be great.. He has done nothing as a gm yet. This is his first gig. Blind faith without a track record is silly
dadeadhead
Buffalo Sabres
Location: I don't want to say Greztky was a dude when I was watching. Mentalorgasm5 , NY
Joined: 07.16.2006

Jun 29 @ 11:02 AM ET
Agreed. This doesn't happen without valid reasoning. All I can do is trust the guy.
- sambarugh



Stripes77
Referee
Buffalo Sabres
Location: Where ever Matt Ellis allows me to be, NY
Joined: 07.30.2012

Jun 29 @ 11:02 AM ET
Agreed. This doesn't happen without valid reasoning. All I can do is trust the guy.
- sambarugh



He took a look at his roster and who potentially will be here eventually and realizing if he did his job and drafted the right players that he would have to pay up down the road, a $10 million cap hit for a retired player would kill everything he built.
buffalofan19
Buffalo Sabres
Location: Wonderful things can happen when you sow seeds of distrust in a garden full of (bum)holes
Joined: 07.01.2007

Jun 29 @ 11:02 AM ET
The Sabres have no choice but to overpay a ton of mediocre to outright terrible free agents now, unless they couldn't care less about revenue sharing.
mhp
Buffalo Sabres
Location: PROUD MEMBER OF RED SOX NATION SINCE 1975!!!! , SD
Joined: 01.14.2008

Jun 29 @ 11:03 AM ET
Just watch, we'll trade Myers next.
hafgod
Buffalo Sabres
Location: United States, NY
Joined: 07.04.2007

Jun 29 @ 11:03 AM ET
Because Ehrhoff was sooooooo good for us last year helping us not finish las...oh wait.

This move is all about the future.

- Stripes77

Its intentional tanking.. I say this all the time 14000 season ticket holders pay for these games. The NHL wants to put us on NBC games for ratiings. We are not just an individual team we are part of a league....
hafgod
Buffalo Sabres
Location: United States, NY
Joined: 07.04.2007

Jun 29 @ 11:05 AM ET
He took a look at his roster and who potentially will be here eventually and realizing if he did his job and drafted the right players that he would have to pay up down the road, a $10 million cap hit for a retired player would kill everything he built.
- Stripes77

Confused.. Isnt his contract front loaded. Real dollars last 4 years are nowhere near that..
Stripes77
Referee
Buffalo Sabres
Location: Where ever Matt Ellis allows me to be, NY
Joined: 07.30.2012

Jun 29 @ 11:05 AM ET
Murray might be great.. He has done nothing as a gm yet. This is his first gig. Blind faith without a track record is silly
- hafgod



Blind faith? How was his talent analysis as a scout, its not blind faith, he knows his scouting which is why I think he got this job with the crazy amount of draft picks this team has. If he hits homeruns on 2 players he is going to have to pay them Kane and Toews money down the road, you cant do that if you are already being penalized $10 million
hafgod
Buffalo Sabres
Location: United States, NY
Joined: 07.04.2007

Jun 29 @ 11:05 AM ET
Just watch, we'll trade Myers next.
- mhp

We should play weber 30 minutes a night
dadeadhead
Buffalo Sabres
Location: I don't want to say Greztky was a dude when I was watching. Mentalorgasm5 , NY
Joined: 07.16.2006

Jun 29 @ 11:06 AM ET
Confused.. Isnt his contract front loaded. Real dollars last 4 years are nowhere near that..
- hafgod



Correct but the recapture penalty is that much.
buffalofan19
Buffalo Sabres
Location: Wonderful things can happen when you sow seeds of distrust in a garden full of (bum)holes
Joined: 07.01.2007

Jun 29 @ 11:07 AM ET
Correct but the recapture penalty is that much.
- dadeadhead



The recapture penalty would only be that much if he retired next year, correct? If so, this is more chicken little than prudent.
sambarugh
Buffalo Sabres
Location: Meszároš has sick trade value, NY
Joined: 01.14.2008

Jun 29 @ 11:07 AM ET
Murray might be great.. He has done nothing as a gm yet. This is his first gig. Blind faith without a track record is silly
- hafgod


Exactly what other choice do we have but not to trust him?
buffalofan19
Buffalo Sabres
Location: Wonderful things can happen when you sow seeds of distrust in a garden full of (bum)holes
Joined: 07.01.2007

Jun 29 @ 11:07 AM ET
We should play weber 30 minutes a night
- hafgod



That would almost certainly guarantee them McDavid or Eichel. That's for sure.
hafgod
Buffalo Sabres
Location: United States, NY
Joined: 07.04.2007

Jun 29 @ 11:08 AM ET
Blind faith? How was his talent analysis as a scout, its not blind faith, he knows his scouting which is why I think he got this job with the crazy amount of draft picks this team has. If he hits homeruns on 2 players he is going to have to pay them Kane and Toews money down the road, you cant do that if you are already being penalized $10 million
- Stripes77

He has never been the final word. Its easy to suggest players when the boss says yes or no. Its completely different when your the boss. You took the example in the the league that worked. How about hall and Hopkins..
mhp
Buffalo Sabres
Location: PROUD MEMBER OF RED SOX NATION SINCE 1975!!!! , SD
Joined: 01.14.2008

Jun 29 @ 11:08 AM ET
We should play weber 30 minutes a night
- hafgod


Ugh!!
buffalofan19
Buffalo Sabres
Location: Wonderful things can happen when you sow seeds of distrust in a garden full of (bum)holes
Joined: 07.01.2007

Jun 29 @ 11:08 AM ET
I can't wait to see what washed up has beens or never weres the Sabres are going to overpay in free agency now. They have no choice.
hafgod
Buffalo Sabres
Location: United States, NY
Joined: 07.04.2007

Jun 29 @ 11:09 AM ET
Exactly what other choice do we have but not to trust him?
- sambarugh

You can. I am reluctant to have blind faith after we did that for Darcy
jaumiller
Buffalo Sabres
Location: Ask not what Matt Ellis can do for you, ask what can you do for Matt Ellis. , NY
Joined: 12.06.2012

Jun 29 @ 11:10 AM ET
Not yet but it's looking like that.
- dadeadhead

Wow that escalated quickly.
buffalofan19
Buffalo Sabres
Location: Wonderful things can happen when you sow seeds of distrust in a garden full of (bum)holes
Joined: 07.01.2007

Jun 29 @ 11:10 AM ET
Blind faith? How was his talent analysis as a scout, its not blind faith, he knows his scouting which is why I think he got this job with the crazy amount of draft picks this team has. If he hits homeruns on 2 players he is going to have to pay them Kane and Toews money down the road, you cant do that if you are already being penalized $10 million
- Stripes77


Murray has yet to be THE decision maker, though. That's a big part of it. It's no different than a really good offensive or defensive coordinator in football being a disaster as a head coach. It happens often, in every sport. Not saying I think Murray will be, but he's operated his entire career not being the one who's head is potentially on the chopping block. The dynamic changes greatly. He's not just scouting anymore. He's got a whole new administrative world to take care of.
Stripes77
Referee
Buffalo Sabres
Location: Where ever Matt Ellis allows me to be, NY
Joined: 07.30.2012

Jun 29 @ 11:10 AM ET
Confused.. Isnt his contract front loaded. Real dollars last 4 years are nowhere near that..
- hafgod



Because his contract was front loaded should he retire before the contract ends Buffalo would be penalized for it. Its the recapture clause. It's the main reason he is being bought out. Another Darcy frank up.

http://www.capgeek.com/recapture-calculator/

Go there and mess around with the Hoff's contract
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