Sharp would be shipped off to FLA.
- CBHawks88

Sharp + Leddy + Clendening + 27th for 1st overall.

Even then...I don't think that gets it done.

so in the spirit of doom and doom and if not apocalypse now...then it is certainly next year.

Is it possible that when Toews and Kane extensions kick in next year this team may actually be on the decline:

1. Toews/Kane ext hurt them vs the cap
2. Hossa's production continues to drift south
3. Sharp may need to go to pay for Toews/Kane.
4. Seabs and Keith are north of 30.
5. Some of these non-core fail to develop.

Lets say the cap next year is 73 mil: Toews and Kane cost you 8 mil more that gives them a payroll at 72 mil and with Saad, Leddy and Kruger as RFA's which could cost them a combined 9 mil if they keep them. I don't see how they do this.
- bogiedoc

The twins have one more season under their current deals...any extension begins with the 2015-2016 season.

Havlat is available.
- CBHawks88

Havenot is about done. Now THAT is the example of a TRUE injury proned guy.

Lets say the cap next year is 73 mil: Toews and Kane cost you 8 mil more that gives them a payroll at 72 mil and with Saad, Leddy and Kruger as RFA's which could cost them a combined 9 mil if they keep them. I don't see how they do this.
- bogiedoc

I'm just trying to get through today...................

Sharp + Leddy + Clendening + 27th for 1st overall.

Even then...I don't think that gets it done.
- Hawks82

I can't imagine Uncle Dale would turn all that down.

Sharp+ for the 1st overall.
- CBHawks88

Sure would be great. Tallon will trade it I think. Not here, though. From the rumors toronto is offering JVR, the 8th overall pick and something else philly wants to make a splash at home offering guys like simmonds or the schenns plus the pick. Should be an exciting 1st 15 minutes to the draft

IF Kane and Toews get 24 mill combine under a 69 mill cap the Hawks will be lucky to even make the playoffs the roster would be so decimated.

Hey, but at least we did win two Cups.
- kwolf68

It wouldn't be a $69m cap when their new contracts kicked in. Concerns would still be warranted for a possible purge next summer, but at least be correct with the fact in your slight hysteria.

>Yep, and Suter, and , and
>Lots of second place finishes for the unified front office
>Think they set the market value and then get played
>Or, they are in on everything with little intention of actually closing, unless it's a steal
>I'm waiting until after July 1 before being really upset
- SnapitUpstairs

Just seems to me that the Hawks had the bodies in the system to offer what the Canucks would have seen as better than Sbisa and Bonini. The draft pick isn't much. My conclusion is that Bowman and Co., right or wrong, just didn't want him that badly.

So if they were narrowly beaten on Kesler, seems like that leaves them with the best chips on the table to negotiate with Tallon for the #1 pick or with Murray for Spezza. Unless Stan doesn't want to spend any of them, of course.

It needed to be around $0.97-99. At the time the deal was made, the Canadian dollar was worth slightly more than it is now.

The big dip in 2014 came around Feb/March and has been climbing ever since. Not quite back up to where it was.

https://www.google.com/fi...ei=qOatU5PrGpWoyASjs4HgDg

Edit: semantic changes.
- L_B_R

But what was the $71MM based on - was it the $97-99 when the CBA was signed? Or the $.91 of January?

If it was based on the $.97, that makes them that much stupider.

Havenot is about done. Now THAT is the example of a TRUE injury proned guy.
- kwolf68

I remember when people were PISSED we let him go & signed Hossa.

Need a recap of the day who's got me covered?

Or, your owners told him to stay under the cap to recoup all the money they are paying Gillis, Torts, Booth et al.... that is between $10-20M right?

You were the one who absolutely knew Benning would take nothing less than the 10th pick from Murray weren't you? What is the bat phone saying now?
- tredbrta

According to some of the writers and reporters around the league, the Canucks ownership spend some of the highest amount of money on all things outside of player payroll.



You guys here Friedman suggesting Spezza to CHI could still happen? Seems like a tough fit under the cap to me....

>Anyone know why a league would wait until hours before their draft to have this number?
>Can't recall what happened last year...
- SnapitUpstairs

Last year, I think, the CBA mandated it at $64, no?

Sharp is a 0.62/G in the playoffs, Bickell is a 0.59/G player in the playoffs. That's pretty much even...
- L_B_R

Sounds like Bickell is the better value, given their cap hits.

I can't imagine Uncle Dale would turn all that down.
- kwolf68

That is a good package. Dale is now in the driver's seat due to the cap number.

Also, will Bowman make that offer? JJ reported only Rosi. Big jump from him to Leddy for Stan. I would do that and add more for the cap space and the pick.

Sometimes you have to overpay.

would like to see if Uncle Dale would take Sharp, Clendening, Rosziva/leddy and the 27th overall for Bjestad and Gubrenson (dunno how to spell his name).

It wouldn't be a $69m cap when their new contracts kicked in. Concerns would still be warranted for a possible purge next summer, but at least be correct with the fact in your slight hysteria.
- L_B_R

What would it be then? I got into a discussion with someone who claimed the cap was going up 14 million over next two years. I laughed, asked for evidence, which he was unable to supply and the cap results today were WORSE than even I thought.

You sign 19 and 88 to those high of salaries with THE HOPES of a cap increase...you do so at your own peril. Though I suppose if things got really brutal Kane at 12 mill could easily be traded to Buffalo so we could put someone on our 4th line other than B league beer leaguers.

would like to see if Uncle Dale would take Sharp, Clendening, Rosziva/leddy and the 27th overall for Bjestad and Gubrenson (dunno how to spell his name).
- ikeane

Dale loves Bjugstad. Has said that he and Barkov are the future of the franchise.

I remember when people were PISSED we let him go & signed Hossa.


- CBHawks88

Yea I know...Havlat did have a good season (in his contract year), but Hossa was a VERY clear upgrade and it wasn't even close. Now, I wasn't a huge fan of the 812 year deal Hossa did receive, but we got a world class all around stud hockey player who is NOTHING BUT the poop on the ice. I love Hoss...he plays the game tough, clean and classy. Havlat couldn't carry Marian's hockey bag.

Just seems to me that the Hawks had the bodies in the system to offer what the Canucks would have seen as better than Sbisa and Bonini. The draft pick isn't much. My conclusion is that Bowman and Co., right or wrong, just didn't want him that badly.

So if they were narrowly beaten on Kesler, seems like that leaves them with the best chips on the table to negotiate with Tallon for the #1 pick or with Murray for Spezza. Unless Stan doesn't want to spend any of them, of course.
- RickJ

>Agree
>I like your idea of Sharp+ to Uncle Dale
>Get a young guy with reasonable $ to play C or Spezza

But what was the $71MM based on - was it the $97-99 when the CBA was signed? Or the $.91 of January?

If it was based on the $.97, that makes them that much stupider.
- StLBravesFan

I assume the $0.97-98 when it was signed because I can't figure it out otherwise. $0.91 is weaker than now (it's at .94 today). And to be fair, the Canadian dollar was trending up/staying steady with the USD for a while there in 2013. I don't know why they didn't revise the numbers when there was a dip unless they thought it would even out faster. I'd love to hear inside information on this, but I doubt it'll be released.

Either way, the number is set and now everyone just has to deal with it.

Sounds like Bickell is the better value, given their cap hits.
- Ogilthorpe2

15 points is better value than 78??? 1.9mil & 63 point difference...id say bickell is the worst contract on the hawks right now

Need a recap of the day who's got me covered?
- rollpards19

Bus accident sums it up.

so in the spirit of doom and doom and if not apocalypse now...then it is certainly next year.

Is it possible that when Toews and Kane extensions kick in next year this team may actually be on the decline:

1. Toews/Kane ext hurt them vs the cap
2. Hossa's production continues to drift south
3. Sharp may need to go to pay for Toews/Kane.
4. Seabs and Keith are north of 30.
5. Some of these non-core fail to develop.

Lets say the cap next year is 73 mil: Toews and Kane cost you 8 mil more that gives them a payroll at 72 mil and with Saad, Leddy and Kruger as RFA's which could cost them a combined 9 mil if they keep them. I don't see how they do this.
- bogiedoc

If it works put that way, then have to lose more of the core (Keith? Seabrook?), consider the next three or four years to be transitional waiting for the cap to go up and hope a Rockford develops replacements.

Which means maybe (MAYBE) it's best to do nothing (except get under the cap) this summer, hope Shaw/TT/a cheap retread can handle the two open center slots, hope Morin and Versteeg come around, and see what develops.

Last year, I think, the CBA mandated it at $64, no?
- StLBravesFan

>WHEN did teams know?
>Is it always hours before the draft?
>Seems ridiculous if so