- BlazinMike

Haha

I think Bolland was centering the 4th line come playoff time with Kruger playing left wing, but i get your point and agree with it. Ive been saying for awhile that i wouldnt be surprised or even upset if they went and got someone like Fiddler and McClement just to have two solid NHL centers to add to the roster (assuming they could get them for cap friendly deals which probly isnt likely).
- BlazinMike

I don't like McClement much, but Fiddler would be a solid addition. In my ideal world we'd add 2 more centers to move Shaw to the wing and keep Kruger on line 4, but it'd be hard to make that happen

Kesler for TT and a 1st is a good deal for both teams. Imagine Kesler and Kane

TT is only a prospect, albeit a good one, but hasn't proven anything in the NHL. This is a crappy draft so there's no real harm in giving up a late 1st round pick. Kesler is a great player.

I don't like McClement much, but Fiddler would be a solid addition. In my ideal world we'd add 2 more centers to move Shaw to the wing and keep Kruger on line 4, but it'd be hard to make that happen
- rollpards19

Yeah same here on McClement, just using him as an example. Someone like him would be ok in my book (better skating would be nice)

The problem is that Hossa's cap recapture penalty is SCARY. If he retires early, the Hawks will pay thru the nose for the cap relief in his first 5 years of the deal. You will likely see Sharp, Bickell, Oduya move before Hossa, because of that cap recapture.
- eburgio

I believe HOSSA`s contract will be tradable!

1) What would a bottom cap team give NOT to pay 5+ mill to

His last three years are 1 mill for 5+ cap

2) His coaching may be worth that and exp.

3) It`s business about dollars sorry Hoss

4) Who would help us out though?

Kesler for TT and a 1st is a good deal for both teams. Imagine Kesler and Kane

TT is only a prospect, albeit a good one, but hasn't proven anything in the NHL. This is a crappy draft so there's no real harm in giving up a late 1st round pick. Kesler is a great player.
- iknowbest

100% agree.


Move sharp to free up space and geta cheaper CENTER. lars Eller yall ?


Toews keslet Eller Freddy

100% agree.


Move sharp to free up space ? Or geta cheaper CENTER. lars Eller yall ?


Toews keslet Eller Freddy
- mrpaulish

I heard some report that they said Sharp isn't being moved? I like the guy, but his value is high now and he will likely start declining soon. I like Eller as well. Hawks are in a pretty crucial offseason here. Lots of big decisions to make about the future. Kesler at $5 million is a total steal and apparently Kane wants him here so maybe that could lower Kane's asking price.

I heard some report that they said Sharp isn't being moved? I like the guy, but his value is high now and he will likely start declining soon. I like Eller as well. Hawks are in a pretty crucial offseason here. Lots of big decisions to make about the future. Kesler at $5 million is a total steal and apparently Kane wants him here so maybe that could lower Kane's asking price.
- iknowbest

Dude that was so 1 day ago.

Dude that was so 1 day ago.
- Bjm84

I don't come on here every day like some of you guys. Don't have the time at my age.

I don't come on here every day like some of you guys. Don't have the time at my age.
- iknowbest

You have the time, you just don't have the priorities. We hit every part of the spectrum age wise here.

Kesler for TT and a 1st is a good deal for both teams. Imagine Kesler and Kane

TT is only a prospect, albeit a good one, but hasn't proven anything in the NHL. This is a crappy draft so there's no real harm in giving up a late 1st round pick. Kesler is a great player.
- iknowbest

I think that's an easy win for Hawks but here's what Nucks will say......

You want our 6'2" 200lb Alternate captain, Selke winner, proven 20G/30A per season, in exchange for a late round 1st and a 165# unproven prospect?

NO way they go for that! They'll want more - Leddy?

I believe HOSSA`s contract will be tradable!

1) What would a bottom cap team give NOT to pay 5+ mill to

His last three years are 1 mill for 5+ cap

2) His coaching may be worth that and exp.

3) It`s business about dollars sorry Hoss

4) Who would help us out though?
- Joe-snoopy-Cool

If there ever was a contract that would be almost impossible to trade it is Hossa's...

You have the time, you just don't have the priorities. We hit every part of the spectrum age wise here.
- rollpards19

Well, I guess I'm a fairly busy person. I've got many other blessings in my life to keep me busy. But I enjoy coming here to read the opinions of others.

I don't know if anyone has mentioned this name for a possible 2LC fit, but I can see Sam Gagner being a cheap solution with upside. EDM needs D so you could proably flip prospects or Oduya for Gagner. I think I remember Kane and Gagner were friends and teammates in the OHL, so you would have to think that there's a connection there and Kane would be happy with the move. I know he has underachieved and he is small, but I think he would be an improvement over Handzus/Shaw/Smith/Kruger in that role.
Thoughts???

I don't know if anyone has mentioned this name for a possible 2LC fit, but I can see Sam Gagner being a cheap solution with upside. EDM needs D so you could proably flip prospects or Oduya for Gagner. I think I remember Kane and Gagner were friends and teammates in the OHL, so you would have to think that there's a connection there and Kane would be happy with the move. I know he has underachieved and he is small, but I think he would be an improvement over Handzus/Shaw/Smith/Kruger in that role.
Thoughts???
- hockbomb

4.8M salary for Gagner

I think that's an easy win for Hawks but here's what Nucks will say......

You want our 6'2" 200lb Alternate captain, Selke winner, proven 20G/30A per season, in exchange for a late round 1st and a 165# unproven prospect?

NO way they go for that! They'll want more - Leddy?
- bwarner929

Well, TT and a 1st for Kesler, especially if the 1st is this year, is a great deal for the Hawks. Kesler is a great player with a skill set which the team could really use. The Hawks are in a mode in which they could win another Stanley Cup, maybe even a couple more. TT is a pretty good prospect but that's all he is. Kesler is proven. Leddy is also a good young dman. But I think I would be willing to add him too if it meant acquiring Kesler. It will be easier to fill Leddy's spot with a free agent or internally than it will to fill the 2nd line center spot, especially if that guy would be Kesler.

Yes 2013 was damn good for the Hawks/fans. But you cant deny that the Hawks were exposed for having inadequate center depth in 2014. One legit center who could skate might have made the difference against the kings.
- BlazinMike

Or if Sharp actually showed up all series!!!

Well, TT and a 1st for Kesler, especially if the 1st is this year, is a great deal for the Hawks. Kesler is a great player with a skill set which the team could really use. The Hawks are in a mode in which they could win another Stanley Cup, maybe even a couple more. TT is a pretty good prospect but that's all he is. Kesler is proven. Leddy is also a good young dman. But I think I would be willing to add him too if it meant acquiring Kesler. It will be easier to fill Leddy's spot with a free agent or internally than it will to fill the 2nd line center spot, especially if that guy would be Kesler.
- iknowbest

You made my point - too 1-sided for Hawks so Canucks can't take it. You've also got the minor issue of cap space by bringing in Kessler and we haven't cleared enough with only TT and Leddy - somebody else would have to go in order to fill out the roster.

If there ever was a contract that would be almost impossible to trade it is Hossa's...
- Al

Is it a certainty that toews and Kane sign max contracts? Could they consider say a 4 year deal at 9-10 per and then after that get another 4 or 5 year deal for say 12 as the cap rises? Plus gives them each the option to go play in their home town if they choose?

You made my point - too 1-sided for Hawks so Canucks can't take it. You've also got the minor issue of cap space by bringing in Kessler and we haven't cleared enough with only TT and Leddy - somebody else would have to go in order to fill out the roster.
- bwarner929

Well, maybe they could do that with another trade or they will have to get creative. Kesler is my first choice among the centers that are apparently in the trade mix (Spezza, Thornton). Kesler would make the team a lot more formidable than those other two. I think Thornton gets friendlier with the opposition in the playoffs.

You made my point - too 1-sided for Hawks so Canucks can't take it. You've also got the minor issue of cap space by bringing in Kessler and we haven't cleared enough with only TT and Leddy - somebody else would have to go in order to fill out the roster.
- bwarner929

If TT is the big piece in a potential trade, and if the hawks decide to budge on TT maybe they can make can take versteeg too or maybe just eat 1 mil of keslers deal?

I believe HOSSA`s contract will be tradable!

1) What would a bottom cap team give NOT to pay 5+ mill to

His last three years are 1 mill for 5+ cap

2) His coaching may be worth that and exp.

3) It`s business about dollars sorry Hoss

4) Who would help us out though?
- Joe-snoopy-Cool

Ok, it's not about whether or not Hossa is tradeable or not. He absolutely is tradeable and his cap hit is actually very attractive for a player as productive as him.

The issue is that his contract was front loaded, making $10M ACTUAL dollars during the first 2 years, then goes to 7.9M ACTUAL dollars for the next 3-4, then 4M for a year, followed by 3 years at 1.0M.

His cap hit is 5.75. That means for every year there was a vast difference between his actual dollars vs his cap hit, if he retires early....the Hawks are on the hook for the difference. Can you imagine 20M in wasted cap space over 5 years?

Is it a certainty that toews and Kane sign max contracts? Could they consider say a 4 year deal at 9-10 per and then after that get another 4 or 5 year deal for say 12 as the cap rises? Plus gives them each the option to go play in their home town if they choose?
- coldsteelonice

By design the Hawks would want those two to be marketed as Hawks forever and at their age signing for 8/9 years makes sense.

One more sleep till draft day..........



Two more sleeps till "We like.our team..."

By design the Hawks would want those two to be marketed as Hawks forever and at their age signing for 8/9 years makes sense.
- Al

I thought 8 years was the max they could be sogned for ?