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jmatchett383
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Newark, DE
Joined: 03.09.2010

Jun 27 @ 7:36 AM ET
There is no way VL gets moved this weekend unless the flyers retain salary AND take a contract back.
So this might actually be pretty quiet day

- nails


What makes you say that? The bonus or something else?
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Jun 27 @ 7:45 AM ET
There is no way VL gets moved this weekend unless the flyers retain salary AND take a contract back.
So this might actually be pretty quiet day

- nails


The player taken back would have to be a pretty good player that they have interest in, to do that and retain salary.
tangent_man
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: South Jersey
Joined: 11.28.2007

Jun 27 @ 7:46 AM ET
There is no way VL gets moved this weekend unless the flyers retain salary AND take a contract back.
So this might actually be pretty quiet day

- nails


Yeah, there are a lot of people thinking that Hexy can just make Vinny's deal disappear while getting picks in return. While I'd love to see that happen, it's a very unlikely scenario.

However, if he can pull it off, the guy would go right into Batman status to me.
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Jun 27 @ 7:57 AM ET
Lecavalier will be gone, it's rare a GM tells the agent to find a trade and the dude ends up staying. There's a mutual feeling of disenchantment here, player and team both want to go separate ways.

I do expect it being a case where the Flyers either have to eat money or take a contract back, and as long as the contract isn't as long or expensive as Vinny's, or if it's simply a guy that fits better, then it'll happen.

- Jsaquella


I don't think that Hextall telling his agent that he has permission to seek a trade, is a guarantee of anything. A fit that both sides agree to, still has to be found. Hextall is just letting his agent help with the legwork.
jmatchett383
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Newark, DE
Joined: 03.09.2010

Jun 27 @ 7:58 AM ET
I don't think that Hextall telling his agent that he has permission to seek a trade, is a guarantee of anything. A fit that both sides agree to, still has to be found. Hextall is just letting his agent help with the legwork.
- MJL


Yeah, in this case, 3 parties need to agree to a deal (well, 2 to a deal, one to approve) so it's not a sure thing. I think he WILL get traded, but it's far from assured.
nails
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: thread killer, PA
Joined: 02.05.2007

Jun 27 @ 8:06 AM ET
What makes you say that? The bonus or something else?
- jmatchett383

Very few GMs are going to trade for VL before the bonus gets paid. The owner would probably have some words for that GM immediately after.
And the teams that need vinny or need to get to the cap floor, are not the most weathly teams, so they aren't going to be paying that bonus either
nails
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: thread killer, PA
Joined: 02.05.2007

Jun 27 @ 8:08 AM ET
I don't think that Hextall telling his agent that he has permission to seek a trade, is a guarantee of anything. A fit that both sides agree to, still has to be found. Hextall is just letting his agent help with the legwork.
- MJL


Yeah, I think this is a bit of Hexy saying I don't have time/can't find anything right now and you can help out or just sit in limbo.
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Jun 27 @ 8:09 AM ET
Very few GMs are going to trade for VL before the bonus gets paid. The owner would probably have some words for that GM immediately after.
And the teams that need vinny or need to get to the cap floor, are not the most weathly teams, so they aren't going to be paying that bonus either

- nails


A retained salary deal can pay for that bonus.
jmatchett383
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Newark, DE
Joined: 03.09.2010

Jun 27 @ 8:09 AM ET
Very few GMs are going to trade for VL before the bonus gets paid. The owner would probably have some words for that GM immediately after.
And the teams that need vinny or need to get to the cap floor, are not the most weathly teams, so they aren't going to be paying that bonus either

- nails


Okay. Yeah, I figure he'll be traded after the bonus, if at all. Just wasn't sure if that was the reason you were giving or something else.
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Jun 27 @ 8:10 AM ET
Yeah, I think this is a bit of Hexy saying I don't have time/can't find anything right now and you can help out or just sit in limbo.
- nails


I agree. They have the draft and then free agency along with the open period to talk to free agents going on right now. It's just adding another resource to try and find a deal.
GOA88
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Philadelphia, PA
Joined: 08.02.2013

Jun 27 @ 8:16 AM ET
I am still of the mind that Vinny still has something to give (If healthy). That he makes this team better next season if he plays 2nd line C. Looking towards the future though, this contract needs to be gone just like Hartnells.
nails
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: thread killer, PA
Joined: 02.05.2007

Jun 27 @ 8:23 AM ET
A retained salary deal can pay for that bonus.
- MJL

but a max of 25% right?
Can they retain 25% of the salary AND 25% of the bonus?
regardless, if I am a GM, I wait until july 2 and none of that bonus exists
funmaster18
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: All I need are some tasty waves, a cool buzz and I'm fine.
Joined: 03.15.2009

Jun 27 @ 8:25 AM ET
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MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Jun 27 @ 8:56 AM ET
but a max of 25% right?
Can they retain 25% of the salary AND 25% of the bonus?
regardless, if I am a GM, I wait until july 2 and none of that bonus exists

- nails



I beleive the max is 50%. Salary and bonus are the same thing. All a signing bonus is, is part of a players salary paid up front or at a different agreed upon time. It is not in addition to a player salary.
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