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GardinerExpress
Location:
Joined: 08.21.2012

Jun 26 @ 8:06 AM ET
FORWARDS
Tomas Fleischmann ($4.500m) / Claude Giroux ($8.275m) / Wayne Simmonds ($3.975m)
Michael Raffl ($1.100m) / Brayden Schenn ($2.500m) / Jakub Voracek ($4.250m)
R.J. Umberger ($4.600m) / Sean Couturier ($1.750m) / Matt Read ($3.625m)
Tye McGinn ($0.750m) / Pierre-Edouard Bellemare ($0.600m) / Jason Akeson ($0.825m)
Zac Rinaldo ($0.750m)

DEFENSEMEN
Mark Streit ($5.250m) / Andrew MacDonald ($5.000m)
Braydon Coburn ($4.500m) / Luke Schenn ($3.600m)
Kimmo Timonen ($2.000m) / Tom Gilbert ($1.500m)
Chris Pronger ($4.941m)

GOALTENDERS
Steve Mason ($4.100m)
Al Montoya ($1.000m)

RETAINED SALARIES (1.58% of upper limit)
Vincent Lecavalier ($1.125m—25.00%)
BONUS OVERAGE
$345,000

CAP SPACE (22-man roster): $238,571

1. Vincent Lecavalier (25% retained salary) and Nicklas Grossman for Tomas Fleischman, Quinton Howden, and John McFarland

2. Tom Gilbert signed for 2 years, 3 million (1.5 million; a hypothetical overpayment)

3. Al Montoya signed for 1 year, 1 million (very fair raise)

4. Tye McGinn and Jasone Akeson both given modest raises based off recent contributions to the big club (Akeson a bit more so due to strong playoffs)

5. On Day 1, you LTIR Pronger and recall Scott Laughton and either Brandon Manning or Oliver Lauridsen as your #7dman (or both if you waive one of Bellemare, McGinn, Akeson, or Rinaldo)

Thoughts?

- mochoson


So gilbert puts up a strong season in Florida, playing 21 mins a night, and sees Nikitin go for 4.5, then decides to take 1/3 of that to play in Philly (and thats an overpayment?)

Also Florida is looking to make a big move, but why take on the bloated salaries of both Lecavalier and Grossman? I cant imagine that is the $7 million move that Tallon is hoping for
3flyerkids
Season Ticket Holder
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Toronto, ON
Joined: 02.27.2013

Jun 26 @ 8:07 AM ET
FORWARDS
Tomas Fleischmann ($4.500m) / Claude Giroux ($8.275m) / Wayne Simmonds ($3.975m)
Michael Raffl ($1.100m) / Brayden Schenn ($2.500m) / Jakub Voracek ($4.250m)
R.J. Umberger ($4.600m) / Sean Couturier ($1.750m) / Matt Read ($3.625m)
Tye McGinn ($0.750m) / Pierre-Edouard Bellemare ($0.600m) / Jason Akeson ($0.825m)
Zac Rinaldo ($0.750m)

DEFENSEMEN
Mark Streit ($5.250m) / Andrew MacDonald ($5.000m)
Braydon Coburn ($4.500m) / Luke Schenn ($3.600m)
Kimmo Timonen ($2.000m) / Tom Gilbert ($1.500m)
Chris Pronger ($4.941m)

GOALTENDERS
Steve Mason ($4.100m)
Al Montoya ($1.000m)

RETAINED SALARIES (1.58% of upper limit),
Vincent Lecavalier ($1.125m—25.00%)
BONUS OVERAGE
$345,000

CAP SPACE (22-man roster): $238,571

1. Vincent Lecavalier (25% retained salary) and Nicklas Grossman for Tomas Fleischman, Quinton Howden, and John McFarland

2. Tom Gilbert signed for 2 years, 3 million (1.5 million; a hypothetical overpayment)

3. Al Montoya signed for 1 year, 1 million (very fair raise)

4. Tye McGinn and Jasone Akeson both given modest raises based off recent contributions to the big club (Akeson a bit more so due to strong playoffs)

5. On Day 1, you LTIR Pronger and recall Scott Laughton and either Brandon Manning or Oliver Lauridsen as your #7dman (or both if you waive one of Bellemare, McGinn, Akeson, or Rinaldo)

Thoughtsr?

- mochoson


I would rather have Pouliot than Fleischmann, and I am thinking he would not be 4.5M
I like Gilbert but he will cost more than 1.5. Bottom line I just want to see change on this team and going into the season with same blueline will not help.

GardinerExpress
Location:
Joined: 08.21.2012

Jun 26 @ 8:09 AM ET
I would rather have Pouliot than Fleischmann, and I am thinking he would not be 4.5M
I like Gilbert but he will cost more than 1.5. Bottom line I just want to see change on this team and going into the season with same blueline will not help.

- 3flyerkids


you are right sir! There is not much in the way of FA D-men and I can easily see Gilbert getting 3.5
Tomahawk
Location: Driver's Seat: Mitch Marner bandwagon. Grab 'em by the Corsi.
Joined: 02.04.2009

Jun 26 @ 8:20 AM ET


ravishingone
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: United States, PA
Joined: 06.30.2007

Jun 26 @ 8:21 AM ET
I would be really surprised if Hexy drafts a guy in the first round who is considered under sized. Really think he values size pretty high in his priority list.
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Jun 26 @ 8:21 AM ET
I would rather have Pouliot than Fleischmann, and I am thinking he would not be 4.5M
I like Gilbert but he will cost more than 1.5. Bottom line I just want to see change on this team and going into the season with same blueline will not help.

- 3flyerkids



This team can add a lot of change without adding a single player. If they can get better at team defense, and in puck support, as well as sharpening up the breakout game. This team can get a lot better at 5 on 5 play, even with the current defense makeup. That's what Berube was trying to accomplish last year. But now he has a full training camp, and a fresh start.
nails
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: thread killer, PA
Joined: 02.05.2007

Jun 26 @ 8:22 AM ET
Did we draft Embid yet to be our Chara?
nails
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: thread killer, PA
Joined: 02.05.2007

Jun 26 @ 8:24 AM ET
I would be really surprised if Hexy drafts a guy in the first round who is considered under sized. Really think he values size pretty high in his priority list.
- ravishingone


I believe I heard the mantra in LA was draft big guys that can skate, or guys that can skate that play big and we can teach the to play in a system.
nails
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: thread killer, PA
Joined: 02.05.2007

Jun 26 @ 8:27 AM ET



- Tomahawk

Meh
ravishingone
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: United States, PA
Joined: 06.30.2007

Jun 26 @ 8:27 AM ET
I believe I heard the mantra in LA was draft big guys that can skate, or guys that can skate that play big and we can teach the to play in a system.
- nails


Agree, that certainly looks to be the case. I think the smallest guy on the roster might have been Justin Williams. For this reason, I would be surprised if guys like DeAngelo or Ho Sang would be drafted by Hexy in the first round. Maybe they take a chance on a more smaller, skilled guy in the later rounds, but early on, doubtful.

I would bet Hexy has a man crush on Ritchie.
GardinerExpress
Location:
Joined: 08.21.2012

Jun 26 @ 8:30 AM ET



- Tomahawk


character issues
nails
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: thread killer, PA
Joined: 02.05.2007

Jun 26 @ 8:31 AM ET
Agree, that certainly looks to be the case. I think the smallest guy on the roster might have been Justin Williams. For this reason, I would be surprised if guys like DeAngelo or Ho Sang would be drafted by Hexy in the first round. Maybe they take a chance on a more smaller, skilled guy in the later rounds, but early on, doubtful.

I would bet Hexy has a man crush on Ritchie.

- ravishingone


I can't look it up, but I would be curious as to how long on average a forward drafted by LA that made the roster this year was in their minor system.
I bet at least 2.
PLindbergh31
Location: NJ
Joined: 02.01.2008

Jun 26 @ 8:32 AM ET
Tomahawk
Location: Driver's Seat: Mitch Marner bandwagon. Grab 'em by the Corsi.
Joined: 02.04.2009

Jun 26 @ 8:34 AM ET
character issues
- GardinerExpress


PK Subban had "character issues" too... I'm sure glad the Flyers drafted Kevin "Captain Character" Marshall instead of that guy.
J35Bacher
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Philadelphia, PA
Joined: 04.03.2014

Jun 26 @ 8:34 AM ET

- PLindbergh31





VICTORY.


I have this move.

Pele, Sylvester, I belive Michael Caine too
J35Bacher
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Philadelphia, PA
Joined: 04.03.2014

Jun 26 @ 8:37 AM ET
This team can add a lot of change without adding a single player. If they can get better at team defense, and in puck support, as well as sharpening up the breakout game. This team can get a lot better at 5 on 5 play, even with the current defense makeup. That's what Berube was trying to accomplish last year. But now he has a full training camp, and a fresh start.
- MJL



I think that is what the Umberger trade does. They might lose some offense but got a guy better for the system, attention to detail, and shorter term.

If the talks of them getting into the top ten are true then they have to have someone they target that fits what they want. I am still holding out hope it is Virtanen.
PLindbergh31
Location: NJ
Joined: 02.01.2008

Jun 26 @ 8:41 AM ET
PK Subban had "character issues" too... I'm sure glad the Flyers drafted Kevin "Captain Character" Marshall instead of that guy.
- Tomahawk


But, but, but..... All the other teams passed on Subban too....

Besides, Marshall is a much better dancer than Subban.

What a tool shed this guy is....

PLindbergh31
Location: NJ
Joined: 02.01.2008

Jun 26 @ 8:41 AM ET
VICTORY.


I have this move.

Pele, Sylvester, I belive Michael Caine too

- J35Bacher




Going to bury these Germans today.
BiggE
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: SELL THE DAMN TEAM!
Joined: 04.17.2012

Jun 26 @ 8:42 AM ET
In return for the #1 pick, Florida would most likely be asking for Couturier, a top prospect and our pick at 17. It ain't gonna happen.
nails
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: thread killer, PA
Joined: 02.05.2007

Jun 26 @ 8:44 AM ET
In return for the #1 pick, Florida would most likely be asking for Couturier, a top prospect and our pick at 17. It ain't gonna happen.
- BiggE

yeah, it would be Cout/Schenn and Laughton plus the #17. maybe ghost instead of laughton.
3flyerkids
Season Ticket Holder
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Toronto, ON
Joined: 02.27.2013

Jun 26 @ 8:51 AM ET
This team can add a lot of change without adding a single player. If they can get better at team defense, and in puck support, as well as sharpening up the breakout game. This team can get a lot better at 5 on 5 play, even with the current defense makeup. That's what Berube was trying to accomplish last year. But now he has a full training camp, and a fresh start.
- MJL



Sure the team will have another year under Berube and his system and there will be improvement, hopefully we will see it most on 5-5.
But this team needs more than what it has. Replacing Hartnell with a Pouliot who is faster, and can also play with an edge would be a benefit. Faster... I think that is what Hextall wants.
Berube wants players to be more responsible. I would love to dump Rinaldo and pick up Brian Boyle who can play quality minutes.

If we are unable to improve our D at the back end, let's hope we can do it at the front.
BiggE
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: SELL THE DAMN TEAM!
Joined: 04.17.2012

Jun 26 @ 8:52 AM ET
yeah, it would be Cout/Schenn and Laughton plus the #17. maybe ghost instead of laughton.
- nails


I'd be willing to give up B Schenn and the pick, maybe Hagg as well, but that is it.

However, if I'm Tallon, its Couturier or no deal, and the Flyers aren't moving Couturier IMO
BiggE
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: SELL THE DAMN TEAM!
Joined: 04.17.2012

Jun 26 @ 8:53 AM ET
Sure the team will have another year under Berube and his system and there will be improvement, hopefully we will see it most on 5-5.
But this team needs more than what it has. Replacing Hartnell with a Pouliot who is faster, and can also play with an edge would be a benefit. Faster... I think that is what Hextall wants.
Berube wants players to be more responsible. I would love to dump Rinaldo and pick up Brian Boyle who can play quality minutes.

If we are unable to improve our D at the back end, let's hope we can do it at the front.

- 3flyerkids


I'd be very happy with adding Pouliot and Boyle, but to make that happen they have to be able to move VL without eating any salary.
johndewar
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: South Jersey, NJ
Joined: 01.16.2009

Jun 26 @ 8:54 AM ET
In return for the #1 pick, Florida would most likely be asking for Couturier, a top prospect and our pick at 17. It ain't gonna happen.
- BiggE


Eh, I don't like that at all.

I think people are expecting the Flyers to move up simply because this draft is in Philly and really, no other reason. I doubt anyone really has a source that has indicated that the Flyers are moving up in the draft.

Hell, absolutely no one had the Hartnell trade ahead of time. Why should we think anyone knows if they are moving up?

The only media type I have given any sort of credence to before the draft is Craig Button because he called the Morin pick last year.
J35Bacher
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Philadelphia, PA
Joined: 04.03.2014

Jun 26 @ 9:00 AM ET
Is Peter Meuller a wing? I saw he is trying to come back to NHL. Still relatively young. Put up solid numbers in swiss league. Could be solid depth guy with size and skill and might be cheap
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