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2Real
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: IT'S GRITTIN TIME, CA
Joined: 07.14.2007

Jun 26 @ 2:20 PM ET
Maybe, just seems like a lot of centers are out there either as UFA or waiting to be traded.

Vinnie
Bolland
Spezza
Kesler
Legwand
Richards
Stasny

Looks like a buyers market to me.

- BiggE

swap vinnie for legwand and put him on wing
jmatchett383
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Newark, DE
Joined: 03.09.2010

Jun 26 @ 2:21 PM ET
Maybe, just seems like a lot of centers are out there either as UFA or waiting to be traded.

Vinnie
Bolland
Spezza
Kesler
Legwand
Richards
Stasny

Looks like a buyers market to me.

- BiggE


I think Stastny will be reupped with Colorado. Richards hurt his play with the ECF/SCF performance. Spezza and Kesler will be much, MUCH harder to acquire than Vinny.
JonnyHammerstix
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 12.12.2013

Jun 26 @ 2:21 PM ET
Maybe, just seems like a lot of centers are out there either as UFA or waiting to be traded.

Vinnie
Bolland
Spezza
Kesler
Legwand
Richards
Stasny

Looks like a buyers market to me.

- BiggE



And with the way things have been going so far the higher level FA forwards could be looking for big deals which could make Vinny more attractive to other teams
BiggE
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: SELL THE DAMN TEAM!
Joined: 04.17.2012

Jun 26 @ 2:22 PM ET
Exactly. Worst that could happen is we keep a 20-goal scorer on the roster.
- jmatchett383


Maybe, it just seems that outside of the PP, it's tough to find wingers that mesh well with him and he's a defensive liability as well. Without making any changes, I guess I would try the following lines. I figure to be successful, VL needs wingers that can both carry the puck and feed him the puck where he likes it.

Schenn-G-Jake
Raffl-VL-Read
Umberger-Couturier-Simmonds
PEB-Laughton-Akeson or Rinaldo
jmatchett383
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Newark, DE
Joined: 03.09.2010

Jun 26 @ 2:23 PM ET
Maybe, it just seems that outside of the PP, it's tough to find wingers that mesh well with him and he's a defensive liability as well. Without making any changes, I guess I would try the following lines. I figure to be successful, VL needs wingers that can both carry the puck and feed him the puck where he likes it.

Schenn-G-Jake
Raffl-VL-Read
Umberger-Couturier-Simmonds
PEB-Laughton-Akeson or Rinaldo

- BiggE


If we keep him, I'd swap Read and Simmonds. I'd also switch Raffl and Akeson. Only because I'm not changing up what (to me) makes sense for one player. Yes, that 2nd line could be a liability, but they'd also be fun to watch in the zone.
hammarby31
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: it's been 84 years, AZ
Joined: 01.02.2007

Jun 26 @ 2:23 PM ET
I guess a lot depends on when we'll have kids
- PhillySportsGuy


it'll tail off even before then, but after...serious nose dive. just preparing you for the future.
aflyerpower8
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: AL
Joined: 06.03.2014

Jun 26 @ 2:24 PM ET
Maybe, just seems like a lot of centers are out there either as UFA or waiting to be traded.

Vinnie
Bolland
Spezza
Kesler
Legwand
Richards
Stasny

Looks like a buyers market to me.

- BiggE


Now take out the guys who you have to give significant money or players to get and end up with a much smaller list:

Vinny
Legwand
2Real
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: IT'S GRITTIN TIME, CA
Joined: 07.14.2007

Jun 26 @ 2:24 PM ET
And with the way things have been going so far the higher level FA forwards could be looking for big deals which could make Vinny more attractive to other teams
- JonnyHammerstix

which is why i want to keep vinny but it appears he isn't in hextall's long term plan
jmatchett383
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Newark, DE
Joined: 03.09.2010

Jun 26 @ 2:25 PM ET
it'll tail off even before then, but after...serious nose dive. just preparing you for the future.
- hammarby31


Our daughter is 7 1/2 months old. We just had sex for the 6th time since she was born on Sunday.
BiggE
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: SELL THE DAMN TEAM!
Joined: 04.17.2012

Jun 26 @ 2:25 PM ET
If we keep him, I'd swap Read and Simmonds. I'd also switch Raffl and Akeson.
- jmatchett383


If you play VL with Simmonds and Akeson, who is going to carry the puck through the neutral zone? Simmonds is not a good stickhandler and often turns over the puck at the blue line when he tries to carry it and Akeson is slow. Plus that line would be a defensive nightmare.
hammarby31
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: it's been 84 years, AZ
Joined: 01.02.2007

Jun 26 @ 2:26 PM ET
which is why i want to keep vinny but it appears he isn't in hextall's long term plan
- 2Real


hexy said he envisions VL being on the team next season...for how long, who knows.
-davies-
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: A medical emergency involving you.
Joined: 08.05.2013

Jun 26 @ 2:26 PM ET

TMIbuzz
jmatchett383
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Newark, DE
Joined: 03.09.2010

Jun 26 @ 2:26 PM ET
If you play VL with Simmonds and Akeson, who is going to carry the puck through the neutral zone? Simmonds is not a good stickhandler and often turns over the puck at the blue line when he tries to carry it and Akeson is slow. Plus that line would be a defensive nightmare.
- BiggE


It's not a possession line.
hammarby31
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: it's been 84 years, AZ
Joined: 01.02.2007

Jun 26 @ 2:27 PM ET
Our daughter is 7 1/2 months old. We just had sex for the 6th time since she was born on Sunday.
- jmatchett383


but who's counting! she, most likely is not. it will not help you to count either. it will just make it worse.
hammarby31
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: it's been 84 years, AZ
Joined: 01.02.2007

Jun 26 @ 2:27 PM ET
TMIbuzz
- -davies-


oh, please.
2Real
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: IT'S GRITTIN TIME, CA
Joined: 07.14.2007

Jun 26 @ 2:27 PM ET
TMIbuzz
- -davies-

the jealousy reeks
2Real
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: IT'S GRITTIN TIME, CA
Joined: 07.14.2007

Jun 26 @ 2:28 PM ET
hexy said he envisions VL being on the team next season...for how long, who knows.
- hammarby31

then why is he allowed to talk to other teams?
flyerfan28
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: CA
Joined: 02.06.2012

Jun 26 @ 2:29 PM ET
Maybe, just seems like a lot of centers are out there either as UFA or waiting to be traded.

Vinnie
Bolland
Spezza
Kesler
Legwand
Richards
Stasny

Looks like a buyers market to me.

- BiggE


Eh not considering most of those guys are going to comand 5+ mill and several years....Legwant and Richards may be the only bargains there even Bolland is said to be wanting at least 5 a year.
-davies-
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: A medical emergency involving you.
Joined: 08.05.2013

Jun 26 @ 2:29 PM ET
the jealousy reeks
- 2Real



what does this even mean
JonnyHammerstix
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 12.12.2013

Jun 26 @ 2:30 PM ET
which is why i want to keep vinny but it appears he isn't in hextall's long term plan
- 2Real



I'm kind of 50-50 with it. I think he could have a bounce back season offensively if they put him at 2C and leave him there but his style doesn't fit with what Hexy is trying to build. So I'm fine either way.
BiggE
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: SELL THE DAMN TEAM!
Joined: 04.17.2012

Jun 26 @ 2:30 PM ET
It's not a possession line.
- jmatchett383


you ain't kiddin!

I'm just afraid of watching that line getting pinned in our zone. I'd rather surround VL with speed and good 2 way players like Read and Raffl. Couturier isn't going to play with Read for the next 15 years, and I think he could mesh well with Simmonds and Umberger. That's a big line that has a bit of everything on it. Umberger and Simmonds have decent speed, Umberger and Couturier are good defensively, all 3 can cycle and all 3 can put the puck in the net.
AGL_91
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: ON
Joined: 06.29.2013

Jun 26 @ 2:30 PM ET
If we keep him, I'd swap Read and Simmonds. I'd also switch Raffl and Akeson.
- jmatchett383


That's my predicted line up too. Vinnie maybe more valuable next year as he will be owed something like 10.5 mill over 3 years. Plus there is nothing out there in FA that is going to put up around 20 goals and have a okay contract cap and year wise.
jmatchett383
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Newark, DE
Joined: 03.09.2010

Jun 26 @ 2:31 PM ET
but who's counting! she, most likely is not. it will not help you to count either. it will just make it worse.
- hammarby31


Not to be a total brag, but she's had trouble taking me from day 1. So after 8 weeks of not being allowed (and how sore she still was), she was ill prepared to start again.
hammarby31
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: it's been 84 years, AZ
Joined: 01.02.2007

Jun 26 @ 2:32 PM ET
then why is he allowed to talk to other teams?
- 2Real


because he's being a good gm and is still looking for a dancing partner.
MrBigglesworth
Location: PA
Joined: 01.30.2008

Jun 26 @ 2:32 PM ET
Our daughter is 7 1/2 months old. We just had sex for the 6th time since she was born on Sunday.
- jmatchett383


thats disgusting

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