And why wouldn't they just go after Brad Richards and sign him to a better contract than Vinny's?
- Tomahawk

Hard to recruit FAs to Nashville

For a guy who needs to succeed as a top 6 winger, it ain't that good either.
- BiggE

Sure. We'll know pretty quickly where he'll end up I think this upcoming year. If he isn't maintaining PPG pace, case closed.

Hard to recruit FAs to Nashville
- PhillySportsGuy

...and they aren't getting Brad Richards for 3 mil a season while actually paying less as they go.

CAPGEEK.COM ARMCHAIR GM ROSTER
CapGeek Armchair GM Roster
FORWARDS
Brayden Schenn ($2.500m) / Claude Giroux ($8.275m) / Jakub Voracek ($4.250m)
Michael Raffl ($1.100m) / Daniel Briere ($4.000m) / Wayne Simmonds ($3.975m)
R.J. Umberger ($4.600m) / Sean Couturier ($1.750m) / Matt Read ($3.625m)
Pierre-Edouard Bellemare ($0.600m) / Brian Boyle ($2.250m) / Zac Rinaldo ($0.750m)
Jason Akeson ($0.750m)
DEFENSEMEN
Braydon Coburn ($4.500m) / Luke Schenn ($3.600m)
Andrew MacDonald ($5.000m) / Mark Streit ($5.250m)
Kimmo Timonen ($2.000m) / Mark Fayne ($1.750m)
Oliver Lauridsen ($0.600m) /
GOALTENDERS
Steve Mason ($4.100m)
Thomas Greiss ($1.000m)
BUYOUTS
Daniel Briere ($0.000m)
Ilya Bryzgalov ($0.000m)
LTIR
Chris Pronger ($4.941m)
BONUS OVERAGE
$345,000
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CAPGEEK.COM TOTALS (follow @capgeek on Twitter)
(estimations for 2014-15)
SALARY CAP: $71,100,000; CAP PAYROLL: $66,570,000; BONUSES: $1,500,000
CAP SPACE (22-man roster): $4,530,000

Ok. We swap VL to the Habs for Briere who at least only has 1 year left. When you want to ice a more defensive lineup, drop Danny to the 4th line and move Couturier and Boyle each up one. We also trade Grossmann for pick(s) and sign FFayne. If Laughton earns a spot, no prob, he plays wing and either Akeson or Rinaldo gets traded or waived. Lauridsen fills the 7th D spot and Greiss is the backup.

thoughts?

Name two.
- mayorofangrytown

Well, Bill Meltzer (obvs).

I've always liked what Enrico Campitelli did with the the700level.com.

The kids at CrashburnAlley.com do a good job with Phillies baseball.

There are definitely better options other than Kyle Scott. And hell, if I really want fraternity hi-jinks mixed with my sports, I'll go to http://philly.barstoolsports.com/.

It works if he has wingers that can move. Also they need some scoring. I sometimes don't know what to think. i mean Gomez got the rangers McDonough so I guess you never know.
- J35Bacher

And that particular GM doesn't have a job anymore... Poile seems a bit too careful, conservative and calculated to go on tilt for a 34-yo guy w/ a bad back.

It works if he has wingers that can move. Also they need some scoring. I sometimes don't know what to think. i mean Gomez got the rangers McDonough so I guess you never know.
- J35Bacher

That trade is pretty much a cautionary tale at this point for NHL GMs.

And why wouldn't they just go after Brad Richards and sign him to a better contract than Vinny's?
- Tomahawk

Because he's likely to get a similar contract?

CAPGEEK.COM ARMCHAIR GM ROSTER
CapGeek Armchair GM Roster
FORWARDS
Brayden Schenn ($2.500m) / Claude Giroux ($8.275m) / Jakub Voracek ($4.250m)
Michael Raffl ($1.100m) / Daniel Briere ($4.000m) / Wayne Simmonds ($3.975m)
R.J. Umberger ($4.600m) / Sean Couturier ($1.750m) / Matt Read ($3.625m)
Pierre-Edouard Bellemare ($0.600m) / Brian Boyle ($2.250m) / Zac Rinaldo ($0.750m)
Jason Akeson ($0.750m)
DEFENSEMEN
Braydon Coburn ($4.500m) / Luke Schenn ($3.600m)
Andrew MacDonald ($5.000m) / Mark Streit ($5.250m)
Kimmo Timonen ($2.000m) / Mark Fayne ($1.750m)
Oliver Lauridsen ($0.600m) /
GOALTENDERS
Steve Mason ($4.100m)
Thomas Greiss ($1.000m)
BUYOUTS
Daniel Briere ($0.000m)
Ilya Bryzgalov ($0.000m)
LTIR
Chris Pronger ($4.941m)
BONUS OVERAGE
$345,000
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CAPGEEK.COM TOTALS (follow @capgeek on Twitter)
(estimations for 2014-15)
SALARY CAP: $71,100,000; CAP PAYROLL: $66,570,000; BONUSES: $1,500,000
CAP SPACE (22-man roster): $4,530,000

Ok. We swap VL to the Habs for Briere who at least only has 1 year left. When you want to ice a more defensive lineup, drop Danny to the 4th line and move Couturier and Boyle each up one. We also trade Grossmann for pick(s) and sign FFayne. If Laughton earns a spot, no prob, he plays wing and either Akeson or Rinaldo gets traded or waived. Lauridsen fills the 7th D spot and Greiss is the backup.

thoughts?
- BiggE

Bring Danny back? You just become a fan last year?

CAPGEEK.COM ARMCHAIR GM ROSTER
CapGeek Armchair GM Roster
FORWARDS
Brayden Schenn ($2.500m) / Claude Giroux ($8.275m) / Jakub Voracek ($4.250m)
Michael Raffl ($1.100m) / Daniel Briere ($4.000m) / Wayne Simmonds ($3.975m)
R.J. Umberger ($4.600m) / Sean Couturier ($1.750m) / Matt Read ($3.625m)
Pierre-Edouard Bellemare ($0.600m) / Brian Boyle ($2.250m) / Zac Rinaldo ($0.750m)
Jason Akeson ($0.750m)
DEFENSEMEN
Braydon Coburn ($4.500m) / Luke Schenn ($3.600m)
Andrew MacDonald ($5.000m) / Mark Streit ($5.250m)
Kimmo Timonen ($2.000m) / Mark Fayne ($1.750m)
Oliver Lauridsen ($0.600m) /
GOALTENDERS
Steve Mason ($4.100m)
Thomas Greiss ($1.000m)
BUYOUTS
Daniel Briere ($0.000m)
Ilya Bryzgalov ($0.000m)
LTIR
Chris Pronger ($4.941m)
BONUS OVERAGE
$345,000
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CAPGEEK.COM TOTALS (follow @capgeek on Twitter)
(estimations for 2014-15)
SALARY CAP: $71,100,000; CAP PAYROLL: $66,570,000; BONUSES: $1,500,000
CAP SPACE (22-man roster): $4,530,000

Ok. We swap VL to the Habs for Briere who at least only has 1 year left. When you want to ice a more defensive lineup, drop Danny to the 4th line and move Couturier and Boyle each up one. We also trade Grossmann for pick(s) and sign FFayne. If Laughton earns a spot, no prob, he plays wing and either Akeson or Rinaldo gets traded or waived. Lauridsen fills the 7th D spot and Greiss is the backup.

thoughts?
- BiggE

I like the ideas, but I think Fayne will want more money then that. So give Dominic Moore 1 mill to center the fourth line and give the extra money to Fayne. Also need Pronger on the roster until the 1st day of the season, so we'll be right up against the cap.

And that particular GM doesn't have a job anymore... Poile seems a bit too careful, conservative and calculated to go on tilt for a 34-yo guy w/ a bad back.
- Tomahawk

Very true.

However, you get the Flyers to eat 30% of Vinny's contract (3.15 cap hit, 4 years) and send back Stalberg (3 cap hit, 3 years), and your'e getting the much better player from Nashvilles perspective.

Flyers would be better off trading for Ekbad in the long run e34

Flyers would be better off trading for Ekbad in the long run e34
- Winning

Be even better if we could build a working time machine and go back in time and kidnap Bobby Orr, Gordie Howe, Wayne Gretzky and Nick Lidstrom all in their primes.

e4656654

Very true.

However, you get the Flyers to eat 30% of Vinny's contract (3.15 cap hit, 4 years) and send back Stalberg (3 cap hit, 3 years), and your'e getting the much better player from Nashvilles perspective.
- mochoson

If you're willing to do that, then sure, maybe Poile might find value in that. But from a Flyers perspective, you just got rid of a 4th-line player making $4.5M, and received a 4th-line player making $3M plus you're still eating $1.5M yearly for the guy you got rid of. Might as well just keep Vinny then.

My sources are telling me the Flyers are in on the Lebron James sweeps. MTC

My sources are telling me the Flyers are in on the Lebron James sweeps. MTC
- Giroux_Is_God

You still chatting up that bookie at the Pizza Place you worked at?

My sources are telling me the Flyers are in on the Lebron James sweeps. MTC
- Giroux_Is_God

e42

So the team that deliberately tanked for Mario hires the guy who was suspended for an entire season for violating CHL player benefit/recruiting practices... match made in heaven?

If you're willing to do that, then sure, maybe Poile might find value in that. But from a Flyers perspective, you just got rid of a 4th-line player making $4.5M, and received a 4th-line player making $3M plus you're still eating $1.5M yearly for the guy you got rid of. Might as well just keep Vinny then.
- Tomahawk

Vinny is not a 4th line player. Can we stop saying this already? If the season started tomorrow, Berube wouldn't have him on the 4th line.

Neither is Stalberg. But Stalberg is a natural LW with tons of speed, something we desperately need.

No doubt in my mind Stalberg can come here and earn 3m a season playing on our 2nd and 3rd line. He can produce offense with skilled players. I can't say the same about Vinny: I don't think hes capable of earning his 4.5 million on this team with the centers we have, and he cant do it at wing.

Not to mention, Stalberg doesn't have a NTC. If we got him and he had a decent season, we may be able to unload him next summer if need be to a team that needs a decent player and needs to reach the cap floor.

So the team that deliberately tanked for Mario hires the guy who was suspended for an entire season for violating CHL player benefit/recruiting practices... match made in heaven?
- Tomahawk

And Tocchet as an assistant who was involved with gambling......

You know a casino helped provide money for the Pens new arena as part of the deal out there........

Vinny is not a 4th line player. Can we stop saying this already? If the season started tomorrow, Berube wouldn't have him on the 4th line.

Neither is Stalberg. But Stalberg is a natural LW with tons of speed, something we desperately need.

No doubt in my mind Stalberg can come here and earn 3m a season playing on our 2nd and 3rd line. He can produce offense with skilled players. I can't say the same about Vinny: I don't think hes capable of earning his 4.5 million on this team with the centers we have, and he cant do it at wing.

Not to mention, Stalberg doesn't have a NTC. If we got him and he had a decent season, we may be able to unload him next summer if need be to a team that needs a decent player and needs to reach the cap floor.
- mochoson

Yes. I think we need to realize any deal with Vinny won't be perfect. But it needs to be functional. Not sure if right word. But just as an example say you only get back Del Zotto from NSH for Vinny. We might not need or even use MDZ but it is an asset we can they flip in a deal or we could sing him to a one year deal and if there's an injury in camp he can fill in. Myabe then he gets flipped at the TDL. But any deal for Vinny has to have some functionality in it. What your hoping for is getting some sort of asset or shorter term deal or lower money in a deal coming bck.

First Richards and Carter
Then JVR
Then BOB
now Hartnell

I'm an Avs fan now

You still chatting up that bookie at the Pizza Place you worked at?
- mayorofangrytown

Eerily enough, I did work a pizza joint once. It was in Dutch Wonderland and was quite litrilly the lowest point in my life (GREAT SONG BY THE WAY).

If Schenn would be moved to first line LW then I'd be ok with keeping Vinny and having him as the 2C.

Yeah, Alt seems to be the perfect example of what could really help the blueline. Mobility, size, puck handling competence. Hope he forces his way onto the roster somehow
- mcefalu

I've only seen very little of him. But at the one preseason game I went to last year, there was a defenseman I didn't recognize who looked really poised out there and seemed to know exactly what he was doing. Turned out it was Alt. Granted, it was one preseason game, but he looked good.

There was another guy out there I didn't know either. It was Vandevelde. As the season went on, I still didn't know (or care) who he was.