Rather obvious the franchise was passed by in terms of its major league status with the aging facility and fanbase but hopefully they are entering a new phase. Besides the fans, the players psyches are also affected when the team is mired in cost saving decisions but hopefully there is daylight. I still hate to see them trade away any more young talent or draft picks especially if dal Colle is the leader they say he is along with Reinhart hopefully.

Bailey is not as bad as they think but we already have a number 2 center in Nielsen. May be crazy but Nielsen is a more tradeable commodity to a team like the Blues or Sharks and could fetch a nice return.
- Fan101

So you think the franchise was passed by free agents because of it's aging facility and fanbase?

(x10000)

so youre telling me that having a conn smythe winner, a top line winger, a top line center, and a hall of fame defense is irrelevant?

jethro, what were you saying about being objective?
- LetsGoIsles

what?????

Not to get involved with this but you're pretty much proving his point. Lombardi bought those guys in via trade or FA. Something Snow has not been able to do. You just proved his point.
- Cptmjl

THANK YOU!

do you even remember what the topic of this discussion is?
- LetsGoIsles

can you comprehend what you read?

Not to get involved with this but you're pretty much proving his point. Lombardi bought those guys in via trade or FA. Something Snow has not been able to do. You just proved his point.
- Cptmjl

if that were true, he/you would be correct.

those guys were ALL there before lombardi was even a thought.

edit: blake you can make an arugment that lombardi technically resigned him but cant ignore that he spent 11-12 years of his career playing before the avs.

can you comprehend what you read?
- kindlyrick

thats just not nice.

but to answer my question, the topic originally started bc i said you cant judge someone during a rebuild...since then youve gone off about the kings, dean lombardi and wang. not much about the original topic.

if that were true, he/you would be correct.

those guys were ALL there before lombardi was even a thought.
- LetsGoIsles

Williams. Brought in by Lombardi. Carter, Richards, Gaborik. You guessed it. Bought in by Lombardi. Stoll. Bought in by Lombardi. You know Williams won the Conn Smythe right because you did mention that too? Everyone he mentioned in the post you replied too and who you mentioned was bought in by Lombardi. Look it up. You're wrong and you proved his point like I said.

Williams. Brought in by Lombardi. Carter, Richards, Gaborik. You guessed it. Bought in by Lombardi. Stoll. Bought in by Lombardi. You know Williams won the Conn Smythe right because you did mention that too? Everyone he mentioned in the post you replied too and who you mentioned was bought in by Lombardi. Look it up. You're wrong.
- Cptmjl

dude...youre coming in during the middle of the movie and trying to make sense of everything...i was talking about:

2001 Michael Cammalleri was drafted by the kings
2003 sean avery was traded to the kings
2003 dustin brown was drafted by the kings
2005 anze kopitar was drafted by the kings
2005 jonathan quick was drafted by the kings
2006 rob blake was signed by the kings after returning from a brief stint with the avs, he was in LA from 1990-2001, cant say for sure, but i dont think lombardi had to do much recruiting on that one.

April 21, 2006 dean lombardi was named the GM of the kings.

Williams. Brought in by Lombardi. Carter, Richards, Gaborik. You guessed it. Bought in by Lombardi. Stoll. Bought in by Lombardi. You know Williams won the Conn Smythe right because you did mention that too? Everyone he mentioned in the post you replied too and who you mentioned was bought in by Lombardi. Look it up. You're wrong and you proved his point like I said.
- Cptmjl

go back to my comment at 11;18am. read the 2nd part of it, youll better understand how this began.

dude...youre coming in during the middle of the movie and trying to make sense of everything...i was talking about:

2001 Michael Cammalleri was drafted by the kings
2003 sean avery was traded to the kings
2003 dustin brown was drafted by the kings
2005 anze kopitar was drafted by the kings
2005 jonathan quick was drafted by the kings
2006 rob blake was signed by the kings after returning from a brief stint with the avs, he was in LA from 1990-2001, cant say for sure, but i dont think lombardi had to do much recruiting on that one.

April 21, 2006 dean lombardi was named the GM of the kings.
- LetsGoIsles

dude what are you arguing???? That lombardi came in with an already put together team? He brought in 7 key players via trade or free agency. Garths still talking about the 5th overall. This argument is so one sided, i feel like you're joking

dude...youre coming in during the middle of the movie and trying to make sense of everything...i was talking about:

2001 Michael Cammalleri was drafted by the kings
2003 sean avery was traded to the kings
2003 dustin brown was drafted by the kings
2005 anze kopitar was drafted by the kings
2005 jonathan quick was drafted by the kings
2006 rob blake was signed by the kings after returning from a brief stint with the avs, he was in LA from 1990-2001, cant say for sure, but i dont think lombardi had to do much recruiting on that one.

April 21, 2006 dean lombardi was named the GM of the kings.
- LetsGoIsles

dude what are you arguing???? That lombardi came in with an already put together team? He brought in 7 key players via trade or free agency. Garths still talking about the 5th overall. This argument is so one sided, i feel like you're joking

So you think the franchise was passed by free agents because of it's aging facility and fanbase?
- Cptmjl

We did ok bringing in fa's when the market was sane i.e. Guerin, Fedotenko, Weight, Streit were guys who we were willing to pay to fill roles and get playing time which other teams would not slate them for. The other top fa's were looking for cup contenders to sign with when we were just trying to be a playoff team.

Some fa's have preferences, Suter and Parise were born in Minnesota, Brad Richards played for Torts, Iginla wanted a Conference leader etc.

go back to my comment at 11;18am. read the 2nd part of it, youll better understand how this began.
- LetsGoIsles

you keep saying the same thing......that you dont judge a gm during a rebuild. Im saying Lombardi is light years better than snow.

If you wanna google rob blake, go ahead............snow hasnt brought in anyone really to compliment his roster. Lombardi on the other hand has.....lombardi has won the cup 2 out of 3 years.....garths picking 5th. Both GMs were rebuilding, only LA is now the team to beat, and are as close to a dynasty as you can get nowadays in hockey, and garths still rebuilding

dude what are you arguing???? That lombardi came in with an already put together team? He brought in 7 key players via trade or free agency. Garths still talking about the 5th overall. This argument is so one sided, i feel like you're joking
- kindlyrick

your comparing apples and oranges...its a MUCH easier sell when you can show off to free agents that have 5/6 top notch guys to be a part of the team. to ignore that the foundation of the team was already in place is turning your back on facts. radek martinek just doesnt have the same selling power that rob blake does. same for blake comeau and anze kopitar. or miro satan and dustin brown. but go ahead and think lombardi went into LA under the exact circumstances as garth and totally rebuilt the team. i know, its just me being a snow apologist!!

dude...youre coming in during the middle of the movie and trying to make sense of everything...i was talking about:

2003 dustin brown was drafted by the kings
2005 anze kopitar was drafted by the kings
2005 jonathan quick was drafted by the kings
2006 rob blake was signed by the kings after returning from a brief stint with the avs, he was in LA from 1990-2001, cant say for sure, but i dont think lombardi had to do much recruiting on that one.

April 21, 2006 dean lombardi was named the GM of the kings.
- LetsGoIsles

But you were replying to this post;

This post is a horrible example.......the reason why the kings are relevant, is because lombardi brought either through trade or free agency, richards, carter, williams,stoll, scuderi, regehr,mitchell. All of whom were pivitol to their cups.

Who has snow brought in to compliment his draft picks?

Brown, Kopitar, and Quick were not exactly shining examples of stardom when Lombardi took over. All of them were almost traded. Brown almost lost his C. Using them as examples is kind of lame due to that fact. Besides you were responding to a post in which he listed players that were acquired by Lombardi. You're argument was he had a Conn Smythe winner, top line winger, etc. These players were none of the above when he became GM and a player Lombardi acquired just won the conn smythe. In fact the Kings weren't close to the team they are today without what Lombardi created with his additions including his coach. Sutter. Who is the reason those players you mentioned are who they are today. Your post is not even relevant to the discussion and the players you mentioned(not by name)are all players that Lombardi acquired to make the Kings what they are today. Snow and Lombardi are not in the same class of GM. In fact Snow is not even a GM when compared to Lombardi. Snow should not even be mentioned in the same sentence as Lombardi(shat I just did it)due to it being an insult to Lombardi. Stupid debate. Beyond stupid.

We did ok bringing in fa's when the market was sane i.e. Guerin, Fedotenko, Weight, Streit were guys who we were willing to pay to fill roles and get playing time which other teams would not slate them for. The other top fa's were looking for cup contenders to sign with when we were just trying to be a playoff team.

Some fa's have preferences, Suter and Parise were born in Minnesota, Brad Richards played for Torts, Iginla wanted a Conference leader etc.
- Fan101

The suter, parise, iginla guys were elite at their positions......guerin, weight etc were looking for paydays and ice time. Snow cannot land a top free agent. If you remember snow couldnt sign smyth, and wound up having to bring in an aging guerin, comrie, fedotenko, and sim......hoping that would address the need for vet leadership, and bring some wins. It did not

you keep saying the same thing......that you dont judge a gm during a rebuild. Im saying Lombardi is light years better than snow.

If you wanna google rob blake, go ahead............snow hasnt brought in anyone really to compliment his roster. Lombardi on the other hand has.....lombardi has won the cup 2 out of 3 years.....garths picking 5th. Both GMs were rebuilding, only LA is now the team to beat, and are as close to a dynasty as you can get nowadays in hockey, and garths still rebuilding
- kindlyrick

your comparing apples and oranges...its a MUCH easier sell when you can show off to free agents that have 5/6 top notch guys to be a part of the team. to ignore that the foundation of the team was already in place is turning your back on facts. radek martinek just doesnt have the same selling power that rob blake does. same for blake comeau and anze kopitar. or miro satan and dustin brown. but go ahead and think lombardi went into LA under the exact circumstances as garth and totally rebuilt the team. i know, its just me being a snow apologist!!
- LetsGoIsles

The isles have enough talent and the biggest prospect pool in the league to lure free agents.........its wang/snow thats keeping players away

- LetsGoIsles

sick comeback....

But you were replying to this post;

This post is a horrible example.......the reason why the kings are relevant, is because lombardi brought either through trade or free agency, richards, carter, williams,stoll, scuderi, regehr,mitchell. All of whom were pivitol to their cups.

Who has snow brought in to compliment his draft picks?

Brown, Kopitar, and Quick were not exactly shining examples of stardom when Lombardi took over. All of them were almost traded. Brown almost lost his C. Using them as examples is kind of lame due to that fact. Besides you were responding to a post in which he listed players that were acquired by Lombardi. You're argument was he had a Conn Smythe winner, top line winger, etc. These players were none of the above when he became GM and a player Lombardi acquired just won the conn smythe. In fact the Kings weren't close to the team they are today without what Lombardi created with his additions including his coach. Sutter. Who is the reason those players you mentioned are who they are today. Your post is not even relevant to the discussion and the players you mentioned(not by name)are all players that Lombardi acquired to make the Kings what they are today. Snow and Lombardi are not in the same class of GM. In fact Snow is not even a GM when compared to Lombardi. Snow should not even be mentioned in the same sentence as Lombardi(shat I just did it)due to it being an insult to Lombardi. Stupid debate. Beyond stupid.
- Cptmjl

well said......im glad someone gets it

But you were replying to this post;

This post is a horrible example.......the reason why the kings are relevant, is because lombardi brought either through trade or free agency, richards, carter, williams,stoll, scuderi, regehr,mitchell. All of whom were pivitol to their cups.

Who has snow brought in to compliment his draft picks?

Brown, Kopitar, and Quick were not exactly shining examples of stardom when Lombardi took over. All of them were almost traded. Brown almost lost his C. Using them as examples is kind of lame due to that fact. Besides you were responding to a post in which he listed players that were acquired by Lombardi. You're argument was he had a Conn Smythe winner, top line winger, etc. These players were none of the above when he became GM and a player Lombardi acquired just won the conn smythe. In fact the Kings weren't close to the team they are today without what Lombardi created with his additions including his coach. Sutter. Who is the reason those players you mentioned are who they are today. Your post is not even relevant to the discussion and the players you mentioned(not by name)are all players that Lombardi acquired to make the Kings what they are today. Snow and Lombardi are not in the same class of GM. In fact Snow is not even a GM when compared to Lombardi. Snow should not even be mentioned in the same sentence as Lombardi(shat I just did it)due to it being an insult to Lombardi. Stupid debate. Beyond stupid.
- Cptmjl

i dont recall snow and lombardi are comparable; please before anything else, find where i said that.

like i said go back to my comment at 11:18am...whether you or rickyboy acknowledge it, the islanders rebuild is/was MUCH MUCH MUCH more difficult bc he didnt have ANY names to point to while trying to attract free agents/players with movement clauses. ignore it all you want but just like lombardi and snow should be in the same sentence, the kings rebuild and the islanders rebuild shouldnt be in the same sentence as well.

The isles have enough talent and the biggest prospect pool in the league to lure free agents.........its wang/snow thats keeping players away
- kindlyrick

i actually agree with this!!!

i say that the islanders, starting last year, were comparable to what the kings were when they started their rebuild...so at least in my opinion, last year was when you could make a case that lombardi and snow were in similar rebuilding situations.

i agree...this season is time for garth to get a top 4/top6 guy.

i dont recall snow and lombardi are comparable; please before anything else, find where i said that.

like i said go back to my comment at 11:18am...whether you or rickyboy acknowledge it, the islanders rebuild is/was MUCH MUCH MUCH more difficult bc he didnt have ANY names to point to while trying to attract free agents/players with movement clauses. ignore it all you want but just like lombardi and snow should be in the same sentence, the kings rebuild and the islanders rebuild shouldnt be in the same sentence as well.
- LetsGoIsles

vanek had the chance to play with tavares.....arguably a top 5 player in the league and said no thanks....

wake up......its snow/wang thats the problem

i actually agree with this!!!

i say that the islanders, starting last year, were comparable to what the kings were when they started their rebuild...so at least in my opinion, last year was when you could make a case that lombardi and snow were in similar rebuilding situations.

i agree...this season is time for garth to get a top 4/top6 guy.
- LetsGoIsles

rebuilding is rebuilding...

vanek had the chance to play with tavares.....arguably a top 5 player in the league and said no thanks....

wake up......its snow/wang thats the problem
- kindlyrick

i will wake up on july 2nd-3rd...not female dog before it. sorry.

to sum up this convo...id say when lombardi came to the kings in 06, the kings organization was equivalent to where the islanders where starting the 2012-13 season.