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J35Bacher
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Philadelphia, PA
Joined: 04.03.2014

Jun 25 @ 10:33 AM ET
ROR is going to arbitration, will likely make less then he did last year, for one year at least. What Stasny will get is going to be interesting.
- Marc D



Yes but they can come to a deal before arbitration. Also i still think someone can shoot an OS
jmatchett383
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Newark, DE
Joined: 03.09.2010

Jun 25 @ 10:33 AM ET
It can be more then 20 players, but it can't be less. The rest is correct.
- MJL


So a minimum of 20 players (21 if counting Pronger) whose salaries add up to as close to the cap's upper limit as possible?
jmatchett383
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Newark, DE
Joined: 03.09.2010

Jun 25 @ 10:34 AM ET
Yes but they can come to a deal before arbitration. Also i still think someone can shoot an OS
- J35Bacher


I fully expect Calgary to try this on day 3 of the season.
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Jun 25 @ 10:34 AM ET
So a minimum of 20 players (21 if counting Pronger) whose salaries add up to as close to the cap's upper limit as possible?
- jmatchett383



Pronger can be counted as one of the 20 players.
Feanor
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: DE
Joined: 02.13.2013

Jun 25 @ 10:34 AM ET
Can someone explain how this dude is worth 4.5 AAV and yet, we whine and female dog about Andrew MacDonald's contract?
- johndewar


Six years is a very long time.
Marc D
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: best smile, 14 without fake tees
Joined: 03.28.2008

Jun 25 @ 10:35 AM ET
That should put to bed the coburn to oilers rumors
- Just5

They probably will offer 2 second rd picks or something for him, I just can't see them trading Coburn for less then a first or in a package for a top pair defenseman.

Trading him for a top forward or a first rounder means they have a back up plan to replace his minutes/role on the team.
jmatchett383
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Newark, DE
Joined: 03.09.2010

Jun 25 @ 10:35 AM ET
Quick question: In the NHL, what is the shortest duration for which you can sign a player?
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Jun 25 @ 10:36 AM ET


Just because ONE team signs a guy to that price (prior to true UFA) doesnt mean that he is worth that.

But I have a feeling that Edm really believes he can get back to 2011-2012 form. Then he would be worth it.

- jak521



So that implies that with no competition, Edmonton just willfully overpaid the player, with no insight into the salary market at all? And what a player is worth?
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Jun 25 @ 10:36 AM ET
Quick question: In the NHL, what is the shortest duration for which you can sign a player?
- jmatchett383



1 year for a SPC.
Tomahawk
Location: Driver's Seat: Mitch Marner bandwagon. Grab 'em by the Corsi.
Joined: 02.04.2009

Jun 25 @ 10:36 AM ET
It seems like almost any defenseman that can adequately skate backwards is in demand.

If I were Erik Gustafsson, I'd have left for the KHL too.

- johndewar



Ron Hainsey just re-upped for ~$2.8M several hours ago... let's not get carried away.
flyersfan51
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: United States, NJ
Joined: 10.04.2006

Jun 25 @ 10:36 AM ET
would you guys do Vinny for Del Zotto? He'll probably get a contract at about 3 million. We'd save 1.5 million and get better on D - thoughts?
jmatchett383
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Newark, DE
Joined: 03.09.2010

Jun 25 @ 10:37 AM ET
So that implies that with no competition, Edmonton just willfully overpaid the player, with no insight into the salary market at all? And what a player is worth?
- MJL


They may have if the destination is unfavorable. Hell, Vanek was offered $8M for 8 years from NYI and declined because he didn't want to play there. Some destinations are favored more than others, and if possible, one way to lure them is to offer more money than other people can/will.
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Jun 25 @ 10:37 AM ET
would you guys do Vinny for Del Zotto? He'll probably get a contract at about 3 million. We'd save 1.5 million and get better on D - thoughts?
- flyersfan51



I would make the trade, and then turn around and flip Del Zotto to another team.
jmatchett383
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Newark, DE
Joined: 03.09.2010

Jun 25 @ 10:38 AM ET
1 year for a SPC.
- MJL


What's an SPC? I thought you could sign players to like 1-day contracts.
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Jun 25 @ 10:38 AM ET
They may have if the destination is unfavorable. Hell, Vanek was offered $8M for 8 years from NYI and declined because he didn't want to play there. Some destinations are favored more than others, and if possible, one way to lure them is to offer more money than other people can/will.
- jmatchett383



I think Nikitin could get the same deal or better on the open market come July 1. So if he was dead set against playing there, I don't think he would've signed.
johndewar
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: South Jersey, NJ
Joined: 01.16.2009

Jun 25 @ 10:38 AM ET
Ron Hainsey just re-upped for under $2.8M several hours ago... let's not get carried away.
- Tomahawk


Ron Hainsey might need a catchier name or a better agent.

MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Jun 25 @ 10:39 AM ET
What's an SPC? I thought you could sign players to like 1-day contracts.
- jmatchett383



Standard Player contract.
Tomahawk
Location: Driver's Seat: Mitch Marner bandwagon. Grab 'em by the Corsi.
Joined: 02.04.2009

Jun 25 @ 10:40 AM ET
Ron Hainsey might need a catchier name or a better agent.
- johndewar




Deasr1
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Mays Landing, NJ
Joined: 06.21.2009

Jun 25 @ 10:40 AM ET
I would make the trade, and then turn around and flip Del Zotto to another team.
- MJL

I said the same thing yesterday. But I have a hard time believing that we would get a decent player in return for Vinny.
Feanor
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: DE
Joined: 02.13.2013

Jun 25 @ 10:40 AM ET
Okay, can you or someone please explain what must be done to maximize Pronger's LTIR on day 1 of the season and all rules/pitfalls associated with it?
- jmatchett383


There are two options. Pens and Redwings went with option 2 this year, Flyers and Bruins picked option 1.

http://www.capgeek.com/fa...injured-reserve-LTIR-work

If you are building a roster that won't be under the cap including Pronger's hit, then you want to exceed the cap by as close to $4.94 million as possible AND include a couple of AHL contracts on that can be demoted once the season starts to create some breathing room. For example Hagg and Straka who both have 925K cap hits.
SuperSchennBros
Location: Not protected by the Mods...I mean Mob. Take your best shot!
Joined: 09.01.2012

Jun 25 @ 10:40 AM ET
I would love to see Jerome Iginla as a Flyer. I would love to see a player of his status play with Claude Giroux. However, I don't see the fit. Pushing one of Simmonds or Voracek back to a checking role isn't a smart idea. Voracek and Simmonds are top six forwards, the same way Hartnell was. Heck, the development of Brayden Schenn or Matt Read could get pushed back as wingers as well.
J35Bacher
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Philadelphia, PA
Joined: 04.03.2014

Jun 25 @ 10:41 AM ET
I would make the trade, and then turn around and flip Del Zotto to another team.
- MJL



aRE YOU COMING AROUND TO MY vINNY FOR mdz DEAL? See it wasn't that bad of an idea.


If Vinny went to FLA how about we get back Upshall and Dan Ellis. Get a wing and back up goalie
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Jun 25 @ 10:42 AM ET
I would love to see Jerome Iginla as a Flyer. I would love to see a player of his status play with Claude Giroux. However, I don't see the fit. Pushing one of Simmonds or Voracek back to a checking role isn't a smart idea. Voracek and Simmonds are top six forwards, the same way Hartnell was. Heck, the development of Brayden Schenn or Matt Read could get pushed back as wingers as well.
- SuperSchennBros



Simmonds and Voracek would still be top 6 players if the Flyers acquired Iginla.
Tomahawk
Location: Driver's Seat: Mitch Marner bandwagon. Grab 'em by the Corsi.
Joined: 02.04.2009

Jun 25 @ 10:42 AM ET
If Vinny went to FLA how about we get back Upshall and Dan Ellis. Get a wing and back up goalie
- J35Bacher



Tallon was just telling Duthie last night that he's very happy with his organizational C and D depth and his needs are on wing.
Tomahawk
Location: Driver's Seat: Mitch Marner bandwagon. Grab 'em by the Corsi.
Joined: 02.04.2009

Jun 25 @ 10:43 AM ET
Ron Hainsey might need a catchier name
- johndewar



Ronda Rainsey?
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